Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[passingthrew]

Inside the Trump campaign as it grapples with defeat while plowing forward with legal fight



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I guess a bunch of other people beat me to it! Thanks for that.

[Thepersona]

He literally takes the mic away and says "no ma'am" when she calls Obama an arab. He frankly looks exhausted dealing with those folks.

How old is that daemonspawn Murdoch? One would suppose that his time on the materium is running short.

Edit: The bastard is 89 years old...

[Kiri]

Its a virus, we in the EU with very hard lockdowns are not doing any better.
And if a vaccine will not work against mutations then we also need to face that we cant go into lockdowns every 3 months forever and that the weak and old will die in high rates from this virus and the fact that nature has beaten us.

Or we could shift our economy and culture to accommodate for shifting conditions. I get that just letting people - or more to the point, other people - die is easier for most people, but it's not like we strictly speaking have a need for things to go back to normal to begin with. Most companies can at least somewhat reliably shift their work online to begin with. They may not like it, the workers may not like it, but it is certainly possible. Most things can be delivered and if the spread itself is lowered, we can even keep the workers there reasonably safe. Some industries cannot truly cope with covid, especially the gig industry, bars, tourism. But we are wealthy enough today that our societies could take care of these workers until new employment can be found.

But that would involve lowering our standards of living. And that is the crux of the issue in many cases. Giving up something for yourself is hard. Someone you don't know dying somewhere is not. It's just human nature, really. Especially when we convince ourselves that only the 'weak and old will die in high rates'. Masks are the quintessential example of that. They are annoying to wear and restrictive, but for most people, they don't cause any harm at all. But lots of people would rather have ten people die in their town that they don't know if it means they don't have to wear them anymore.

There is no can't when it comes to these covid measures. There's only a won't.

Though this is only tangentially on topic, haha. Well, kinda. Biden seems to be more of that opinion, unlike Trump who certainly keeps saying that we can't protect the victims.

[Breccia]

I guess a bunch of other people beat me to it!

You're still going to do it, aren't you?

[Paranoid Android]

I believe since yesterday every Trump tweet has been flagged. This is not some shit political rube, this is the POTUS who can incite violence.

The bs policy of 'person of public interest' needs some boundaries. Twitter is also chicken shit knowing all the conservative tears they don't want to deal with.

[fwc577]

Its a virus, we in the EU with very hard lockdowns are not doing any better.
And if a vaccine will not work against mutations then we also need to face that we cant go into lockdowns every 3 months forever and that the weak and old will die in high rates from this virus and the fact that nature has beaten us.

Problem is, you're landlocked with a lot of other places who may not be handling it well. In addition to being on the same landmass as China.

Canada Total Population = 37.59 Million
US Total Population = 328.2 Million (Little less than 10x more)

Canada Total Cases per day = ~4000
US Total Cases per day = 100,000+

Canada Total Cases adjusted for population size = ~40,000

Part of the problem are these fucking idiots not wanting to wear masks and social distance. I went to a "Republican" establishment for lunch with my co-workers on Friday and we got stared at when we walked in with face masks on because nobody else in the place was wearing face masks.

The places getting slammed by Covid right now is Trump country. Trump has been blitzing through the US causing, essentially, super spreader events.

These fucks in my area crying about losing their jobs and losing their businesses... Good, it's their own fucking fault for supporting a party who regards social distancing and mask wearing as junk science.

[JohnBrown1917]

He literally takes the mic away and says "no ma'am" when she calls Obama an arab. He frankly looks exhausted dealing with those folks.

Notice the way he responds by saying "no, he is a decent person and a family man", maybe I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had not shown his clear racism against the vietnamese or his "bomb bomb Iran" "song".

[Breccia]

More evidence that this is ending.

GOP senator Roy Blunt hedges on acknowledging Biden win: 'It's time for the president's lawyers to present the facts'

"Hey, I think I have some of his books!"

No no, that's Roy Blount Jr.

ABC’s George Stephanopoulos noted that Blunt’s GOP colleagues, Sens. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Ak.), congratulated Biden after the former vice president was declared the winner on Saturday. “Joe Biden has won this election. Why can’t you acknowledge it?” Stephanopoulos asked Blunt.

“It’s time for the president’s lawyers to present the facts and it’s time for those facts to speak for themselves,” Blunt responded.

“I think that happens pretty quickly,” Blunt added, in reference to certifying the electoral results. “Almost every state within 7-10 days of the election goes through that entire canvas, there are always some changes, seems unlikely that any changes could be big enough to make a difference but this is a close election, we need to acknowledge that.”

“I thought that Vice President Biden did a great job last night talking about where the country wants to head and one way to do that is to finish that election the way it deserves to be finished,” he added.

To put this in MMO-C terms: "I'm not a Democrat, but isn't it time Trump showed evidence, and didn't Biden do a good job..."

[Jastall]

Most people don't the key to winning an US election.

1. Catchy slogan (MAGA, Hope and Change etc).
2. Big rallies to get media attention (very important).
3. Vague promises of radical change and railing against the system.

The policy stuff is too boring for people to care even whether you are openly racists or proposing socialism the sheeples will follow they are desperate for change. Why? because there is so much income inequality in this country and the majority of Americans hate the system and know it's unfair, we never dealt with the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis and it will keep haunting us.

Indeed, and the other big issue is that whenever candidates propose actual nitty gritty policies to fix these inequalities (worker rights, higher minimum wage, tax increases on the rich, universal healthcare, etc.) they can't even finish their sentence before half the country cries about socialism and a good chunk of the other half gets nervous about socialism. Couple that with the voting base being so different from State to State, or even within States, and yeah no shit the country is mired in inequalities that people love to rail about but don't ever want to actually see fixed in case they are on the losing end, and/or (insert class of people they don't like) also benefits from these new policies.

The cycle will be unbroken so long as the collective psyche of America doesn't change. See you in 30 or so years to see if that happens but don't hold your breath I say.

[Paranoid Android]

How old is that daemonspawn Murdoch? One would suppose that his time on the materium is running short.

Edit: The bastard is 89 years old...

Old pieces of shit who want to rune people's lives to the very end. An old bastard who must kling to power til the very end.

[Orange Joe]

Have I missed something, what's suspicious about the number of votes for Trump?

Your asking someone that was hoping for a "scorched earth" tactic. I wouldn't bother.

[Felya]

Old pieces of shit who want to rune people's lives to the very end. An old bastard who must kling to power til the very end.

His son has been transitioning to take over for a decade... him being dead, will not change a thing.

[fwc577]

This deserves its own thread. This deserves its own doctoral thesis.

a) A Republican who is not Trump, isn't Trump. The rabid fanbase makes up too much of the party they've chosen to become. Especially since their usual demographic, old people, are dying.

b) Trump is a sad fat old fat fatass fat man who could easily be in jail, poor, dead, or all three, in four years. If there is no Trump, the rabid fanbase will need something better to do -- and there is no replacement Trump.

I would have to agree with this. Just take a look at Reagan / Bush for a modern example.

Raegan won re-election in 1984 with 54.5 million votes with Bush Sr. as his Vice. In 1988, Bush Sr managed to beat Dukakis with 48.8 million.

I think that as long as it's not Trump on the 2024 ballot, there will be a big regression in Republican numbers.

[Deja Thoris]

Notice the way he responds by saying "no, he is a decent person and a family man", maybe I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he had not shown his clear racism against the vietnamese or his "bomb bomb Iran" "song".

You judge people by the total of what they do, you don't just take one time they did bad and hold that up as evidence that they are shit everytime. Well, seems you do, most smart well adjusted people don't.

[Santti]

Have I missed something, what's suspicious about the number of votes for Trump?

In my opinion, I wouldn't use the word suspicious. I'd say depressing.

[Poopymonster]

You're still going to do it, aren't you?

Just did. Reported "A large orange thing was staring at me in Philly while voting, very intimidating. No, it was not the President."

[Thepersona]

His son has been transitioning to take over for a decade... him being dead, will not change a thing.

AFAIK, he tried but was unsuccessful.

[passingthrew]

You're still going to do it, aren't you?

My wife thinks its immature. So I'll probably wait till she is gone

[Monster Hunter]

I know, right? If only we didn't have both a lethal outbreak that forced special issues, and the candidate who ignored them when hundreds of thousands of Americans died from it? Plus all that other stuff he did. There was massive turnout to oust him, combined with nonstandard methods to do it. Think buying a PS5, only if you screw up and get the new Xbox, more people die.

You know your not the only nation with postal votes, or to have such a large % of the vote via Post.

Americas system is inefficent, it is that qay because of republican meddling in the system, meddling they do because there policy's are archaic and not popular, many policy no other conservative party in any other nation nation stands for, so they know they only way to get power is resticing and hindering democracy.

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2000 says "hanging chads".

Meh, i was 10 then all i remember is pokemon from that time.

[Doctor Amadeus]

By clean up, you mean do the same racist shit but be more subtle about it?

Well speaking to my experience the Republicans and Conservatives I thought I would never talk to worked to stop Trump because there are lines even for them you just don't cross and Trump crossed it.

I have no delusions about who the GOP is and what the Republican Party stands for, however I have focused on making my distinctions about Trump and Trumpsters rather then Republicans or Conservatives.

Because while I see Republicans for sure as my 100% opponents, we are all supposed to be Americans trying to live up to the ideals of the constitutions inpsite of our contradictions at times.

But the age of these fucking demagogues and would be kings needs to fucking end. I NEVER hated or rejected Trump for being a Republican, I can accept in any contest we might win we might lose as Democrats, I always want to win for the right reasons.

But Trump was unacceptable, and the Trump Train is littered with the dead bodies from all the victims he has left.

Racism
Sexism
Xenophobia

Emboldening fucking white supremacy terrorist.

Republicans held their fucking nose, tabled their contempt over policy and joined with the rest of everyone else that did the same not people that loved Biden, but people that said NO! To this Moron in the White House

This is about a lot more than insults, being offended or hurt feelings. I give credit to those no matter how many Republicans did what would have been hard as fuck for me to do if Trump did that to the Democrats.

They deserve credit and the celebration and that release of stress I have seen from them and everyone else finally stopping this Juggernaut Idiot Trump Train.


I know a long reply but


TLDR The answer is NO! Trump isn't a fucking Republican, because the Republicans I met Conservatives I met have taken the fucking hits to stop this Trump like everyone else.

Trump is a fucking Lunatic and greedy unrelenting bottomless greedy POS. He doesn't actually give two shits about anything or anyone but himself. He'll say anything do anything to save his own ass and his own ass alone. Fuck he is even going scorched earth on his own party.


Republicans as misguided and as much as I disagree, DO actually care.

Yes Some of them might be racist, sexist and homophobic, so are some Democrats that isn't the only issue. The biggest issue is a Trump is an unqualified idiot, and the biggest moron to ever step in the White House.

And that puts everybody's lives at Risk, even the people he claims to love.

I do like this coalition we have however unsteady or limited it will last. I just hope Republicans, Conservatives hell everybody who showed up and put in to stop Trump all deserve better for everyone.

I'm just wondering if Republicans are going to stick around or are they going back to the GOP, I respect them either way

I just hope we never have another Donald Trump

And regardless to anything maybe all agree to never let that shit happen again!