Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Kaleredar]

William Barr's been awfully quiet wonder what he is cooking up.

He's probably remaining quiet in the hope that Trump doesn't fire him so he can collect a check until January when Biden throws his ass out with extreme prejudice.

[Breccia]

William Barr's been awfully quiet wonder what he is cooking up.

I have every confidence Barr is spending every waking second, and a lot of asleep ones, looking for every single possible technically legal avenue, so he knows where to put the full "impartial" Department of Justice.

Problem is, there are five states in question. Thazt's five different sets of state laws. The good news for him? He just needs to stall. States have a time limit to file their EC results. If a state is tied up, it could go to that state's legislature. PA and GA have Republican ones. But as I posted about 3 minutes ago, the full weight seems to be Trump's giant ass. The full legal weight appears to be Pennsylvania. If Arizona calls it, Biden still wins. If Georgia calls it, Biden still wins.

[nonameelf]

I hate how much traction this voter fraud thing is actually getting.

Is there any legitimate evidence that supports it? I highly doubt it but for clarity's sake I want to know.

There's none. Their argument is going to be that all mail-in votes should be thrown out.

[beanman12345]

There's none. Their argument is going to be that all mail-in votes should be thrown out.

Problem with that, it'll effect downballot republicans in Arizona, Florida, rural Texas. Which then turns the GOP into chaos of wanting an entire new election.

[Breccia]

There's none.

The worst place to have no traction?

Climbing a small hill.

[tylenol]

I have every confidence Barr is spending every waking second, and a lot of asleep ones, looking for every single possible technically legal avenue, so he knows where to put the full "impartial" Department of Justice.

Problem is, there are five states in question. Thazt's five different sets of state laws. The good news for him? He just needs to stall. States have a time limit to file their EC results. If a state is tied up, it could go to that state's legislature. PA and GA have Republican ones. But as I posted about 3 minutes ago, the full weight seems to be Trump's giant ass. The full legal weight appears to be Pennsylvania. If Arizona calls it, Biden still wins. If Georgia calls it, Biden still wins.

He better step on it then because hes only got 3 months before he gets chucked out.

Still waiting for the proof, only proof we have of voter fraud so far is trump fanatics intimidating voters, trump fanatics trying to get into vote counting places while armed, trump fanatics trying to deliver a bunch of fake ballots to a vote counting place...sounds like a lot of republican fraud honestly...

Edit, pretty rad of Bush to come out and congratulate Biden

[Kathranis]

That's six lawsuits that ended or resolved with no effect; two I can't guess which way they'll go; and one I think will actually succeed.

Maybe @cubby can do a better job?

None of the PA litigation would even change the current count since all applicable ballots are already segregated and not in the count, right?

The only way I can see the strategy paying off would be if the Trump camp could somehow see whether they go to Biden or himself before pushing to have them counted or thrown out. Which is so incredibly disingenuous that I can't imagine that even being possible.

And the PA provisionals should roughly lean Biden or mirror the rest of the state, right?


The other suits have been thrown out, and even had they not been, would only shift counts by a few hundred votes.

[Kaleredar]

I have every confidence Barr is spending every waking second, and a lot of asleep ones, looking for every single possible technically legal avenue, so he knows where to put the full "impartial" Department of Justice.

Problem is, there are five states in question. Thazt's five different sets of state laws. The good news for him? He just needs to stall. States have a time limit to file their EC results. If a state is tied up, it could go to that state's legislature. PA and GA have Republican ones. But as I posted about 3 minutes ago, the full weight seems to be Trump's giant ass. The full legal weight appears to be Pennsylvania. If Arizona calls it, Biden still wins. If Georgia calls it, Biden still wins.

None of their standing lawsuits would tie up the results even in those states, though.

[Kathranis]

I feel like Trump's lawsuits at this point are just a grift to solicit donations for "legal funds" that he can siphon away to pay down his campaign debt.

[Benggaul]

That's six lawsuits that ended or resolved with no effect; two I can't guess which way they'll go; and one I think will actually succeed.

And absolutely none of which will have any impact on the outcome. They're purely delaying actions designed to help Trump save face...or whatever face hasn't run off like mascara from his tears.

[Breccia]

None of the PA litigation would even change the current count since all applicable ballots are already segregated and not in the count, right?

That's just one of them.

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None of their standing lawsuits would tie up the results even in those states, though.

And absolutely none of which will have any impact on the outcome.

I don't have enough confidence to say that 100%, but having read the list just now in detail, it seems like that's far more likely than not.

[Poopymonster]

That's just one of them.

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I don't have enough confidence to say that 100%, but having read the list just now in detail, it seems like that's far more likely than not.

It isn't about winning the cases or getting the ballots. As you said, drag it out long enough and they get the win. If anything Trump's team knows how to drag something out in court. Whether it's actually in court, or via superfluous filings.

[Breccia]

What was the deal with the four seasons thing?

The party of Lawn Order.

I'll see myself out.

[Biglog]

The threshold to trigger a recount is fairly generous in order to err on the side of transparency. But after Florida 2k and the hanging chad nightmare voting and vote counting got a lot more scrutiny to make sure that wouldn't ever happen again. With scanning machines and monitors from both parties overseeing counting (in some cases 3 or 4 sets of eyes from each party watching every single ballot being counted), recounts simply don't change the counts very much. That's why state recounts after 2000 like the 2016 WI only changed the outcome by 131 votes. So if you are someone who is still anxious about court cases or recounts changing the outcome, I would suggest not to worry. It's more likely to find out that both Elvis is alive and the moon landings were faked than for 10's of thousands of votes to change in a recount, much less in multiple states.

In fact it's pretty obvious by the fact that Trump's campaign has been spamming supporters the last 2 days non-stop for donations "for the legal fight", while at the bottom in the fine print it says that 50% of donations can be used to retire campaign debt instead of being used for the legal fight. Not long ago a candidate who lost badly but continued to collection campaign donations would have been looked at as committing fraud. And in more evidence that this is what the "legal fight" is really about ($$$ donations to be re-allocated elsewhere, not really about a legal fight they know is unwinnable), the fine print upped this to 60% to be used to retire campaign debt today. The legal fight is a disingenuous excuse to rake in some last chance cash, and they aren't even being subtle about it.

[Mormolyce]

I resent your comparison. Baron Harkonnen was an eminently competent politician.

To be fair his planet was apparently populated by a bunch of grotesque disease-addled child molesters.

Hmmm. Wait a minute.

[passingthrew]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...r-and-facebook

'Awakened a sleeping giant': Parler jumps to most popular app as conservatives rally support to leave Twitter and Facebook

I have also seen a lot of people saying fox news is too far left and they are going to oann and newsmax.

[Felya]

What was the deal with the four seasons thing? Like if they accidently booked the wrong venue why not just cancel and rebook the venue you wanted rather than being so weird about it and trying to go ahead?

That's like planning on going to the swimming centre but you booked mcdonalds instead, but you still go in your swim trunks...

You sound like you never had errands at a car repair shop, strip club, porn shop and had to do a press conference about election fraud. Drop off the car, while it gets fixed hood a conference, then hit the strip club until the car is repaired, then back the car up to the porn shop to load up on a trunk full of dildos. We’ve all been there...

[Kathranis]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...r-and-facebook

'Awakened a sleeping giant': Parler jumps to most popular app as conservatives rally support to leave Twitter and Facebook

I have also seen a lot of people saying fox news is too far left and they are going to oann and newsmax.

I mean, it's probably not good that the far right is becoming even more insular, but at the same time it will limit the influence they have on the mainstream.

[Mormolyce]

What exactly would Dems have to change their thinking to? They managed to win, despite being the only partly being held accountable for failures/falseties, despite voter suppression and other shenanigans, despite a system stacked against them and despite a massive propaganda machine having a stranglehold over a lot of voters. For some reason, it is constantly understated but this was quite an achievement, imho.

They seem poised to try and get rid of at least some disadvantages, but they will have problems doing that while still adhering to the rules, being more scrutinized by their own voters than Reps ever were and not having as much power as the latter had. I don't know what thinking they could assume to change any of that. Become more like Republicans? Screw the rules, screw ethics, try and make a cult of personality of their own? Go all in on progressiveness and hand over a batch of voters to the Republicans? Idk, I just don't see the thinking the Dems could change to without becoming just as bad as the Reps to do better.

I'm talking about actually pushing for policies that they ostensibly represent, and often have majority support in polls.

[Benggaul]

I don't have enough confidence to say that 100%, but having read the list just now in detail, it seems like that's far more likely than not.

The only two cases I've seen where I think they have a chance of winning were the case in Pennsylvania where they wanted ballots postmarked after Election day not to count (a judge may decide not to allow those) and a case in Arizona where a few hundred ballots might not have been sent through the machines properly.

In the first instance it looks like less than a thousand ballots that were already segregated from the rest of the ballots in case there was a decision made to disallow them (and their totals might not have been included in the count yet anyway). The second case looks much the same.