Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Antiganon]

Bombings are a forbidden topic? How are we supposed to talk about politics in any meaningful way if that's off the table?

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Tim Pool is pretty much grand central station for the far right at this point, mostly because all of their other concern trolls have been banned by now.

There were warnings about talking about John McCain.

[Breccia]

I dont really give much weight to anything trump says

Well that's a wise policy, but I happebn to like enforcing consistency. So, if Trump calls his win a landslide, I feel it's fair to call his loss also a landslide, should it turn out to be the same numbers. I mean, it would be hypocrisy if Trump supporters didn't call it a landslide, right? You would agree, that a Trump supporter would have to call the 306 win that we're talking about a landslide? I think it's safe for you to say that.

[Mormolyce]

There were warnings about talking about John McCain.

Seriously? I must've missed them, the thread goes by so fast it's hard to see.

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John McCain is off topic, as was pointed out by mods recently. Please pay attention. And Joe Rogan is grand central. Tim Pool is Marcy at best.

Joe Rogan is the soft sell, Tim Pool is the hard sell. They get you in with affable old pothead Joe, then after a few far right guests that he softballs questions to you might be ready for the uncut stuff.

I don't really see how McCain can be considered off topic, he's directly relevant to the current election. There's widespread speculation that Cindy McCain's disavowal of Trump helped flip AZ. Also I don't know how mods expect anyone to see warnings that flip by in a 1700 page thread. But I guess that's MMO-C for you.

[Celista]

The real POTUS, McConnell, got re-elected. There's still plenty of GOP state AG's out there willing to sue the feds and there's plenty of newly minted partisan judges to give them what they want. Small victory indeed.

Last I read, GA is going into a runoff for two senate seats in Jan. If Democrats get at least one seat, then they have a supermajority (either due to VP being the tiebreaker or flipping the senate on their own). Remember that two independents caucus with the Democrats (Bernie Sanders is independent). McConnell might have been reelected but his position as senate majority leader is questionable right now.

Have not followed the news much today so not sure if anything has changed in the last 24 hours.

[Mormolyce]

I regret saying fuck Nate silver... He narrowly got in there and I was a reactionary...

He was a bit optimistic I guess, a lot of swing states ultimately went Trump and PA was closer than he was predicting.

Maybe "fudge Nate Silver" instead?

[Celista]

He was a bit optimistic I guess, a lot of swing states ultimately went Trump and PA was closer than he was predicting.

Maybe "fudge Nate Silver" instead?

He was less optimistic than the Economist, who gave Trump a 5% chance of winning. Nate Silver was around 10%.

[Mormolyce]

The votes say "a slightly larger percentage of people dislike like you than like you"

Well let's wait a month or so and see what the final popular vote looks like.

Not that the number of people voting chooses the President in America of course.

[Mormolyce]

He was less optimistic than the Economist, who gave Trump a 5% chance of winning. Nate Silver was around 10%.

They really shouldn't give out percentages like that. I remember warning people about them back in 2016. That would make sense if America used a popular vote like a sensible country, but the EC just don't work like that. Introduces a huge amount of variance into close elections that makes simple % ratings highly misleading.

[Celista]

They really shouldn't give out percentages like that. I remember warning people about them back in 2016. That would make sense if America used a popular vote like a sensible country, but the EC just don't work like that. Introduces a huge amount of variance into close elections that makes simple % ratings highly misleading.

The problem in 2016 was that Hillary Clinton was polling ahead by a large margin until three days before the election, when the DOJ re-opened the investigation against her (instigated by Republicans). Her polling numbers swiftly dropped after that. The only reason that Trump & co. couldn't have pulled a similar stunt this year was mail-in ballots for weeks beforehand due to COVID-19. Also they had nothing on Biden, the closest they could come to finding dirt on him was related to his son.

Funny how people forget the bullshittery that happened four years ago, we should remember. No matter what side of the aisle we are on.

[Corvus]

Here is hoping Australia can kick out Scott Morrison (Aussie brand Trump) out in 2022.

Nah, ScoMo really isn't Australia's Trump - he at least listened to advise from the medical experts and didn't try and turn the whole thing into an idealogical battle.

Clive Palmer is Australia's Trump, right down to appropriating the MAGA slogan, not paying musicians for their music, his dangerous populist rhetoric and a host more. Thankful most of the country has told him to get stuffed as shown by his abysmal polling in QLD.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I regret saying fuck Nate silver... He narrowly got in there and I was a reactionary...

I think the high emotions of this as human beings is going to have a lot of people kind of fucked up. I had the similar response to 548, I still maintain my caution with them.

However this time they were wrong they were within the margins now that the final count is almost complete. I think the Bright side is 2022 this is something that if the Democrats get right could lead to getting house seats back and a few more senate seats.

The reason being is if you asked most in 2016 and 2018 I think they gave a snowballs chance in hell of Democrats even getting within striking distance of the Senate, but now it's a real possibility.

[Breccia]

If you're letting trump and his supporters set the bar

Good thing that's not what I said, then. I asked if you thought it was fair, that Trump supporters had to call it a landslide. You haven't answered yet. Want to try again?

[Kathranis]

Anyone have a problem with this?

The first post really seems a possibility. I know others in here have posted he might not come back to the White House and stay in Mara-a-Largo.

The media almost a certain. It's the easiest money he get and of course feed his narcassim.

His marketability is undeniable so I wouldn't be surprised if he can solicit investment and favors from his wealthy friends and partners.

But I hope debtors and the IRS and every other possible claimant keeps him tied up in courts until he dies.

Though I suppose it's entirely possible both could happen. With a crack legal team lead by Rudy Giuliani he might barely even have to make court appearances.

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I think the high emotions of this as human beings is going to have a lot of people kind of fucked up. I had the similar response to 548, I still maintain my caution with them.

However this time they were wrong they were within the margins now that the final count is almost complete. I think the Bright side is 2022 this is something that if the Democrats get right could lead to getting house seats back and a few more senate seats.

The reason being is if you asked most in 2016 and 2018 I think they gave a snowballs chance in hell of Democrats even getting within striking distance of the Senate, but now it's a real possibility.

I'm hoping, seriously hoping, that we'll see a fractured and demoralized Republican base. I don't know that Trump's biggest fans are going to get fired up to vote for the boring establishment dorks that make up the vast majority of the GOP.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I'm hoping, seriously hoping, that we'll see a fractured and demoralized Republican base. I don't know that Trump's biggest fans are going to get fired up to vote for the boring establishment dorks that make up the vast majority of the GOP.

Yeah, I think one of my many blindspots is probably a big part of what makes me stupid and made me stupid in the past. After Obama won this idea that a coalition and compromise, reason and logic, everyone would and could come together.

After Biden won and his speech last night, I kind of lost my fucking mind until being snapped back into reality.

The urge to want to be tolerant and accept everything to forge a peace was probably a big part of why we got into this. Middle ground can only happen with honesty and willing to give what doesn't work to build something better.

Biden was the best man for the Job, BUT the idea that we have to kiss ass and appease those who deem us as not being nice enough to them while targeting and threatening people with death because of who, what and where they were born is not something we should be doing.

I am not a Republican and I am not a conservative how they conduct their party is none of my business, if they want to bridge a coalition with these people that is on them.

But I disagree with Biden Alt-Right are the Enemy, and Trump declared this war first. Rest, recharge, but if they put up anyone like Trump or this Alt-Right bullshit, then I am hoping we kicked them out of more seats in the senate and house.

[bmjclark]

Biden is now up 34k votes in NV (2.6%) & 43k in PA; more blue votes to come.

AZ/GA leads are insurmountable now with very little outstanding.

Biden wins 306 EVs & leads popular vote by 4.8M, with 6M ballots still out from CA/NY/IL.

this was not a close election.

It was a Blowout people! One of the Greatest and Biggest Elections Ever!!

Problem is, it actually was really, really close. But that says more about the system than anything. He won by 0.63 in PA, 0.5 in arizona and 0.21 in georgia despite winning the popular vote by almost 4 million votes. If he had of lost those 3, we'd be having a very different conversation right now. The system really is broken.

And this btw, is with a president who fucked up in ways other republicans could only dream of. Imagine if he had 2 brain cells in his head but was the same monster he is?

[Breccia]

The Philadelphia official in charge of vote counting says his office has been getting death threats.

"From the inside looking out, it all feels very deranged," Al Schmidt said during an interview that aired Sunday on CBS News' 60 minutes. "At the end of the day, we are counting eligible votes, cast by voters. The controversy surrounding it, is something I don't understand."

Schmidt said critics of his office have been "coming up with all sorts of crazy stuff" about the integrity of the city's election systems and casting doubt on the impartiality of vote counters.

"Clearly people know he's a cheating illegal fraud because he's a Democrat!"

He's a Republican.

[Ursus]

Last I read, GA is going into a runoff for two senate seats in Jan. If Democrats get at least one seat, then they have a supermajority (either due to VP being the tiebreaker or flipping the senate on their own). Remember that two independents caucus with the Democrats (Bernie Sanders is independent). McConnell might have been reelected but his position as senate majority leader is questionable right now.

Have not followed the news much today so not sure if anything has changed in the last 24 hours.

The Dems need to win both GA Senate runoffs to take control of the Senate. They are at 48 right now (including the 2 independents), so 2 more would get them to 50, and Vice President Harris would break any ties.

It's unlikely they'll win both, but it is a legitimate possibility. Democrats don't have the best track record of getting their voters to turn out in runoffs, but Trump not being on the ticket should help offset that a bit.

[Paranoid Android]

.Trump appointee at GSA declines to sign letter authorizing Biden transition - The Washington Post https://t.co/DQ0PPNzbS5

https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/s...445260801?s=19

We are talking back and forth here. But this mofo is really being an insurrectionist.

[Ursus]

https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/s...445260801?s=19

We are talking back and forth here. But this mofo is really being an insurrectionist.

It's incredible to me how many people are unwilling to get off the sinking ship. I understand that the 2024 GOP hopefuls are trying to appeal to the deplorable crowd. But what does this no-name little douche get out of it?

[Breccia]

It's incredible to me how many people are unwilling to get off the sinking ship.

We've been over this before.

The ship too far out to sea now. Maybe if they stay onboard, they get found and rescued. If they jump, they definitely drown.