Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[kaelleria]

"I hope Trump loses, but my morals are too pure to compromise. Everyone else should though."

How's the view from that ivory tower?

There's no arguing with a former Williamson supporter.

The orb mother has warped their brain.

[Draco-Onis]

The fact you think this is a privileged position is hilarious when its the position of the vast majority of the working class and poor. Good case of projection.

I say the person who thinks 4 more years of Trump is worth the risk is more privileged, the people of Puerto Rico, immigrants and those dying because of Trump's incompetence are not in that position.

[Lenonis]

Do you know how many states it takes to ratify a Constitutional Amendment?

You do realize there is more than one Constitution right?

[Edge-]

The fact you think this is a privileged position is hilarious when its the position of the vast majority of the working class and poor. Good case of projection.

Huh...and yet they still went the fuck out and voted for Biden over Sanders or "nobody at all". Even in Wisconsin, where Biden won big despite people risking their health to go out and vote.

The only privilege here is you, shitting on everyone for making practical compromises while you remain in your ivory tower judging everyone because you remain morally pure with your decision to remain uninvolved.

Protip: Not compromising it itself a moral choice, and not always a good moral choice.

[Lenonis]

DOMA was shit back then just like Biden and NAFTA. Don't get your logic twisted. DOMA was garbage, just like the Crime Bill. It did far more damage then good.

Well it didn't take long for this to circle back around to the start. DOMA wasn't good in an absolute sense. I mean that's obvious. But your decision to completely ignore context as well as misunderstand what I meant by "Constitution" isn't helping.

[arandomuser]

So i just had a random revelation i wanted to share
based on people i know who identify as "independent"
90% of the times they are just republicans and dont want to admit it
so when i see polls that have biden 50 and trump 41
but 6 "undecided" i think itis a safe bet to put the undecided in the pro trump category
in a way i have more respect for someone who says they like trump because they like low taxes/hate immigrants, than people who pretend to be "enlightened independents" that are almost always trumpers, i think those are the "closeted" people in the polls.

[Edge-]

40% roughly don't vote. About the same amount can't afford an $400 emergency. Now how much overlap do you suspect there is there?

Its like you are all oblivious to the poor disaffected non voters.

Yes, 40% don't vote because there's literally never, ever been a candidate on either side of the isle that they like.

Damn Jettisawn, you've solved American's complex voting problem that continues to be a topic of great discussion and research. Who knew it was so fucking easy?

[Machismo]

40% roughly don't vote. About the same amount can't afford an $400 emergency. Now how much overlap do you suspect there is there?

Its like you are all oblivious to the poor disaffected non voters.

This is a position you laid out... it being a "vast majority." From what I see, they seem to either vote for Republicans, or Democrats as a whole.

As for people not being able to afford things, maybe they should try saving up some money.

[Edge-]

Actually most didn't vote. Because they don't believe in our corrupt government or that anything will change in their lives either way.

Shit, you polled all the non-voters? Got links to the findings? I'd be curious about the methodology! How did you sample folks? What were your questions?

[Machismo]

Very true.

I'm very confused with how some people try to interpret the blank / non-vote as anything else but a protest vote. US politics has apparently become so polarized and biased that you're either the enemy or blindly doing what the Democratic / Republican Party tells you.

That is how we probably got to Trump to begin with.

It's starting to look more and more like how the CCCP or Putin operates.

And yet, you support one of them to win...

We long ago proved that you don't actually care about dudes being sex offenders, or racists.

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Straw man all you want it doesn't change reality of the numbers.

Great, let's see that "vast majority."

I'll wait.

[Machismo]

Dude, you basically are being accused of also being a Trump supporter for the very same reasons... Arguing against me isn't going to take that blame away from you.

Must I remind you?

My displeasure with the Democratic Party's establishment is indeed so great that I'd not be upset if Trump won the elections again in 2020. My entire emotion around Biden being the nominee can very easily be summed up in one word: "Anger"... which is known to be a bit of a tricky and irrational emotion.

This is not because I harbor a resentment for americans, my fellow man or anyone, but rather the opposite. Biden and Trump are too similar and I don't see the great merit of replacing one with the other. Do people have a point about the stacked Supreme Court? Sure, but a court full of (neo)liberals isn't going to safe the world or the people of the USA. It's just a different kind of evil.



I'm very willing to condemn and see Trump punished for his misbehavior towards women. In fact I remember various threads, even before Epstein was hot in the news, where I condemned Trump on a daily basis with multiple posts on this forum. I posted various articles that explained or accused Trump diddling underage women, against their will.

Are you willing to see Biden punished and condemned for his inappropriate behavior towards women?
And I'm not even talking about the horrible Tara Reade accusations, but against the widely known behavior of him touching women and making them visibly uncomfortable in public with it.

[Endus]

This is all about wishes and dreams, I'm well aware neither is a possibility.

I also want to date Charlize Theron, but Im pretty sure that's also not in the cards.

And if your position were "I'm gonna date Charlize Theron, or nobody at all", that would be equally ridiculous.

Nobody is on the ballot all you gotta do is leave the top of ballot blank. Or you just hate democratic process.

That isn't voting for "nobody at all". That's voting for "either of these guys, I don't care".

"Nobody at all" is not an option on the ballot, at all. There is no possible vote that enough Americans could make that would result in "nobody at all" filling the office.

[Machismo]

And if your position were "I'm gonna date Charlize Theron, or nobody at all", that would be equally ridiculous.



That isn't voting for "nobody at all". That's voting for "either of these guys, I don't care".

"Nobody at all" is not an option on the ballot, at all. There is no possible vote that enough Americans could make that would result in "nobody at all" filling the office.

Luckily, I haven't staked out that position.

[Edge-]

Straw man all you want it doesn't change reality of the numbers.

Not a strawman, that's functionally your argument here. They don't vote because they don't have a candidate they like that will help them.

https://www.sandersinstitute.com/blo...americans-vote

Huh, even the Sanders Institute, run by fellow progressives, doesn't agree with your take on why Americans don't vote. Weird.

[SAY HER NAME]

Wait are the leftists actually arguing you shouldn't participate in the democratic process ???

My sides XD

[Felya]

Wait are the leftists actually arguing you shouldn't participate in the democratic process ???

My sides XD

Not leftists...

[Edge-]

I guess this is what you all do when you got nothing else to hang your hat on. So long as you realize you're actually defending the broken US Voting system.

Nobody is defending it. We're explaining reality while you're making up shit.

There are more non-voters then voters.

True! Around only 45% of eligible voters vote.

Most Americans fall withing poor to lower-middle class, and that is the group that doesn't vote.

Also true! Let's see if we can keep this up...

If you all fail at logic and reason it's not my fault.

And derailed. Here is where you go from dealing with reality to making an uneducated guess at a reason why. Here's a lot of words on the whys from the Sanders Institute, a progressive organization pushing for Bernies ideas - https://www.sandersinstitute.com/blo...americans-vote

You know what's in there?

Limitations on primary voters who don't have a political party (like me! though I request a Democratic ballot for primaries in my state)
Lack of ID / Voter ID laws
Laws restricting voting for felons
US territory votes not mattering
Separate voter registration and voting
Tuesday elections
Lack of early voting
The EC invalidating a lot of votes in a great many states (i.e. why vote Republican in CA? why vote Democrat in Missouri?)

Do you know what's not discussed? Americans not liking their choices and staying home as a result.

My overall point to Edge was being able to vote is the privileged position, because majority of the wealthy vote.

A position we do not disagree on. But they why, which actually matters quite a bit, is where we disagree. Because I deal with reality and you deal with "Well my brain says X so it must be right! Evidence be damned."

[Thepersona]

And if your position were "I'm gonna date Charlize Theron, or nobody at all", that would be equally ridiculous.
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I'm more of an Ester Exposito kinda guy, but whatev.

[Felya]

Why do you think withholding your vote isn't part of the Democratic process?

Because withholding a knife from someone’s back, is not stabbing them.

[Thepersona]

Wait are the leftists actually arguing you shouldn't participate in the democratic process ???

My sides XD

Not leftist though. Again, only childish, privileged contrarians would say that. The actual lefties in my country drill the point home that elections are important, and that we won the right to vote, when the dictatorship ended.