Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[kaelleria]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1...496576?lang=en

yeah fuck this bitch.

So... Let's do a thought experiment.

What would you do in her situation? You have 2 options, Bend over backwards to appease Trump so you can do some work behind the scenes or don't and be removed immediately.

[Veggie50]

The future is in two fucking years... do you think democrats are going to win midterms by capitulating further to the right? Especially a right that has gone off the deep fucking end? Do you think they will be able to retain their gains if they abandon their base?

No, I absolutely do not... in fact I think that would be a horrible idea for the democratic party totally agree with you.

It’s also entirely not what my post was about. My post holds no suggestion to what politicians should do. It holds up some truths about human nature that are worth considering, if not agreeing to them.

Im european myself (Dutch), so if you would like to discard my opinion as worthless on that basis, that’s fine. I’d like to note this though, because our “right wing” parties are a bit to the left of even most democrats. Please understand I hold no affection nor understanding for republican policies.

You mention “2 years”. I understand that, there is so much at stake in the American elections. I would urge anyone to set their horizons further than 2 years though.

[Breccia]

And apparently if any Trump appointees start looking for work for 2021 when they'll be out of a job, they'll be fired and be out of a job in 2020.

This is a real risk for them. The only people who will hire Trump people are other Trump people. Trump fires you, that's gone too.

The rest of this post will be filled with my concern for the people who intentionally allied themselves with Trump.




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Wholeheartedly agree.

Wasn't Pence in charge?

[beanman12345]

So... Let's do a thought experiment.

What would you do in her situation? You have 2 options, Bend over backwards to appease Trump so you can do some work behind the scenes or don't and be removed immediately.

You know what her work behind the scenes lead to? this
https://www.businessinsider.com/dr-b...way-nyt-2020-7

and you know what she learned from this? it lead to this
https://www.businessinsider.com/birx...ing-nyt-2020-9

stop being an apologist to a shitty person.

[Edge-]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...ections-435488

Multiple new organizations announced Biden as the election winner on Saturday after four days of counting in several swing states. Following the news, 70 percent of Republicans now say they don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair, a stark rise from the 35 percent of GOP voters who held similar beliefs before the election. Meanwhile, trust in the election system grew for Democrats, many who took to the streets to celebrate Biden’s victory on Saturday. Ninety percent of Democrats now say the election was free and fair, up from 52 percent before Nov. 3 who thought it would be.

Apparently, 70% of Republicans are either sore losers or conspiracy theorists.

And in fairness, apparently 38% of Democrats apparently pivoted their thinking on that same topic after realizing they'd won.

[Veggie50]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...ections-435488



Apparently, 70% of Republicans are either sore losers or conspiracy theorists.

And in fairness, apparently 38% of Democrats apparently pivoted their thinking on that same topic after realizing they'd won.

The one thing trump has been succesfull at, seems to have been eroding american trust in democracy, in quite a bipartisan way.

[masterhorus8]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...ections-435488



Apparently, 70% of Republicans are either sore losers or conspiracy theorists.

And in fairness, apparently 38% of Democrats apparently pivoted their thinking on that same topic after realizing they'd won.

TBF, in regards to the Democrats, it may have been them holding their breath to see if the USPS or other groups would do anything more than they already did. Not saying all of them, but probably some.

[Breccia]

Apparently, 70% of Republicans are either sore losers or conspiracy theorists.

It's faith. They are either choosing to believe what Some Guy posted on Twitter, or they just have conditioned themselves to think Trump is the best at everything because, yeah, 2020 is going great so far..

[Xyonai]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...ections-435488



Apparently, 70% of Republicans are either sore losers or conspiracy theorists.

And in fairness, apparently 38% of Democrats apparently pivoted their thinking on that same topic after realizing they'd won.

The fairness I'll give the Dems is that I think we all expected the USPS Ratfucking, COVID, and Trump's rhetoric about 'fraudulent voting' would mess things up more than they actually did. Like I do remember worries here about the election being a shitshow due to the - seeming - unreliability of mail in ballots and fears that Trumper Poll Watchers would act more like bouncers trying to turn away voters.

But now I'm glad those worries were -mostly- unfounded.

[Fugus]

So... Let's do a thought experiment.

What would you do in her situation? You have 2 options, Bend over backwards to appease Trump so you can do some work behind the scenes or don't and be removed immediately.

I personally I would have told the truth and if he removed me for being honest, then my job prospects still are good elsewhere and my name is untarnished.

Now you look at Huckasans and see her job prospects outside of Fox for lying so much? Same deal, when you sacrifice your integrity like that, you can't blame anyone for doubting your integrity.

[Breccia]

PA SCOTUS will hear an appeal to the "too close" ballot watcher thing.

"Wait, aren't like 98% of the votes counted?"

Yes.

"And vote counting never stopped?"

No.

"Why would Democrats appeal this?"

They didn't. Philly did.

"Same question then, you pedant."

Elections officials for Philadelphia had argued that the lower court's order granting observers closer access to the canvassing process will make it more difficult to "accurately, safely, and securely count hundreds of thousands of mail-in and absentee ballots, under intense time pressure and pandemic conditions."

The claim is they're slowing things down.

[Ursus]

You know what her work behind the scenes lead to? this
https://www.businessinsider.com/dr-b...way-nyt-2020-7

and you know what she learned from this? it lead to this
https://www.businessinsider.com/birx...ing-nyt-2020-9

Thank you for those links. I had no idea she was behind that bullshit. I wasn't a fan of her before because I thought she was way too reluctant to push back against Trump's idiocy, but now I see that she was actually behind some of his idiocy.

[s_bushido]

And in fairness, apparently 38% of Democrats apparently pivoted their thinking on that same topic after realizing they'd won.

As others have said, I'm sure a lot of that had to do with worries over Trump/DeJoy sabotaging the Post Office in the months leading up to an election where the Post Office was going to play a vital role in democracy... But yeah, confirmation bias is a thing. Democrats aren't immune to it either. However, if they'd lost 3 of the past 6 presidential elections despite garnering millions more votes, it would have gotten even harder to view that sort of bullshit as legitimate.

[kaid]

TBF, in regards to the Democrats, it may have been them holding their breath to see if the USPS or other groups would do anything more than they already did. Not saying all of them, but probably some.

Given the amount of nonsense with the post office and demonization of mail in balloting and all the various things in states to make this election as physically dangerous as possible for voters in the primaries and general election I think the democrats had very legitimate reasons to question the free and fairness. That we won despite that does not mean it was not a problem.

[PACOX]

I can't believe that the people who were all: "Once Biden is elected we can work on more progressive and social policies," are now suddenly all preaching: "We need to work together with the Republican Party / perhaps go further to the right with the Democratic Party."

The masks coming off after the elections are over.

Meanwhile Republicans are laughing at them "Yeah, sure we'll return the favor...the GOP never lies "

[passingthrew]

https://twitter.com/davidmackau?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto takes the rare step (for Fox) of cutting into Kayleigh McEnany's lie-filled press conference about the election.

Even fox news is cutting these people off now.

[Inuyaki]

So... Let's do a thought experiment.

What would you do in her situation? You have 2 options, Bend over backwards to appease Trump so you can do some work behind the scenes or don't and be removed immediately.

I would not sell my soul.
(Metaphorically, I don't believe in a soul in the first place as an atheist)

[Endus]

Says who? Because changing how money is spent is not defunding anything. If give you $100 but say you have to spend $50 on tutoring lessons in basic English, I still gave you $100.

If you've got a budget of $1000/month, and normally you spend $300 of that on Warhammer figurines, and you decide to reduce that to $100/month, you've defunded your Warhammer budget.

That's literally what the word means.

It isn't about lowering city budgets. It's about lowering the portion of city budgets that go to police, and spending that money on additional services to replace roles that the police are currently being obliged to perform (badly), like mental health checkups and the like.

[Themius]

No, I absolutely do not... in fact I think that would be a horrible idea for the democratic party totally agree with you.

It’s also entirely not what my post was about. My post holds no suggestion to what politicians should do. It holds up some truths about human nature that are worth considering, if not agreeing to them.

Im european myself (Dutch), so if you would like to discard my opinion as worthless on that basis, that’s fine. I’d like to note this though, because our “right wing” parties are a bit to the left of even most democrats. Please understand I hold no affection nor understanding for republican policies.

You mention “2 years”. I understand that, there is so much at stake in the American elections. I would urge anyone to set their horizons further than 2 years though.

oh sure they could be set further and should be, but people are starting to already say we need to move to the right when we have already seen the depths they're willing to go to. I am extremely pessimistic about any long-lasting progress if the democrats once again capitulate and abandon their base. As they did in with the ACA, which was proof enough "compromise" doesn't work with the new right wing.

[Bodakane]

If you've got a budget of $1000/month, and normally you spend $300 of that on Warhammer figurines, and you decide to reduce that to $100/month, you've defunded your Warhammer budget.

That's literally what the word means.

It isn't about lowering city budgets. It's about lowering the portion of city budgets that go to police, and spending that money on additional services to replace roles that the police are currently being obliged to perform (badly), like mental health checkups and the like.

Agreed.

Problem is, Dems, ALWAYS overestimate the average American's ability for critical thinking and market their plans to them based on the failed assumption.

I say that as an American.