Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[kaelleria]

I would not sell my soul.
(Metaphorically, I don't believe in a soul in the first place as an atheist)

And be replaced with who though? A complete yes man or woman?

[Bodakane]

So... Let's do a thought experiment.

What would you do in her situation? You have 2 options, Bend over backwards to appease Trump so you can do some work behind the scenes or don't and be removed immediately.

When does the myth of the effective Trump Babysitter end? We kept getting told everyone from generals to Ivanka were going to mitigate Trump's bullshit and it never happened.

Answer is easy. Removed immediately and loudly.

[Inuyaki]

And be replaced with who though? A complete yes man or woman?

If that happens it happens. At least I won't be an apologist for fascists.

[Themius]

Name/quote one. Just one person saying that, someone either on these forums or who matters in the real world (I won't accept random Twitter trolls, and the only reason I vary that for posters here is because I can fact-check their post history easily).

They're two sets of people. The latter set about moving more to the right were more quiet while this whole thing was going on. As soon as the election ended though the "work together" political are out in force on all major non-fox networks.

Kasich, McCaskill, Conor lamb

[PhaelixWW]

And the article mentions that...it also mentions that it would take 18.7 million additional votes to surpass 2008.

The difference between 136 million and 126 million is 10 million. So even with that difference...that's still over 8 million votes.

Just. Give. It. Up.

From the official government reports on each election...
2008 Election: 133,944,538 voters out of 213,382,000 CVAP is 62.77% turnout.
2012 Election: 131,590,825 voters out of 222,250,587 CVAP is 59.21% turnout.
2016 Election: 140,114,502 voters out of 222,469,187 CVAP is 62.98% turnout.

More overall voters, higher CVAP turnout, if only marginally. This idea that the 2016 election was anything other than a high-turnout election is a myth. Please move on.

[Themius]

When does the myth of the effective Trump Babysitter end? We kept getting told everyone from generals to Ivanka were going to mitigate Trump's bullshit and it never happened.

Answer is easy. Removed immediately and loudly.

It ends when he forces out chiefs of staffs randomly fires investigator generals and uses every possible exploit he can to break the law while people around him capitulate.

Oh wait... that all happened hey and you know what! Despite doctors being there and doing work did we get a mask mandate? Did we get straight talk about the deadly nature of the virus? Did we stop telling school to open?

Yet babysitter myth continues.

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Just. Give. It. Up.

From the official government reports on each election...
2008 Election: 133,944,538 voters out of 213,382,000 CVAP is 62.77% turnout.
2012 Election: 131,590,825 voters out of 222,250,587 CVAP is 59.21% turnout.
2016 Election: 140,114,502 voters out of 222,469,187 CVAP is 62.98% turnout.

More overall voters, higher CVAP turnout, if only marginally. This idea that the 2016 election was anything other than a high-turnout election is a myth. Please move on.

Black voter turn out was lower. from about 65 to 59.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

we need mayor pete in the cabinet!!

[Orange Joe]

A reminder that Covid stimulus literally depends on the outcome of these 2 senate races in Georgia.

If you're in Georgia, or know anyone who is in Georgia, please keep that in mind.

And please consider donating to the relevant election funds to help secure those victories, if you're able to.

A large stimulus. Mcconnal has already said we need a stimulus package to be passed after the election. He just won't let it be as large as dems want.

[beanman12345]

And be replaced with who though? A complete yes man or woman?

That's the requirement for the job. being a yes men. So you either become a yes man, or your replaced by a yes man. She decided to become one.

edit - though to her credit, even her yes had it's limit, since she's basically on the outs now and FULL HERD IMMUNITY guy has replaced her.

[Veggie50]

oh sure they could be set further and should be, but people are starting to already say we need to move to the right when we have already seen the depths they're willing to go to. I am extremely pessimistic about any long-lasting progress if the democrats once again capitulate and abandon their base. As they did in with the ACA, which was proof enough "compromise" doesn't work with the new right wing.

My own views are more alligned with Bernie Sanders. I don’t think the democratic party even needs to compromise to appeal to many trump supporters. Why would they? We’ve already seen time and time again arguments dont hold value to nost of them.

So what does? Emotions, mostly. Whenever I hear republican voters (not the politicians) speak, they speak about their fears. The republican party just offers easier answers to dissuade their fears.

If I’m terrified my house will burn down, and someone tells me “if you chop down one tree, you’re safe” and another man tells me “well, you can never be 100% safe, but we can do our best to make sure its not overly flammable, install special doors to slow the progress of the fire. On top of that, we can offer insurance with a yearly 1.2% (below inflation) yearly cost increase.... I’d be inclined to chop that tree down and have my head stop spinning.

Democrats have far better ideas about how to run things. Republicans are just better showmen.

[PACOX]

You mention “2 years”. I understand that, there is so much at stake in the American elections. I would urge anyone to set their horizons further than 2 years though.

Our House of Representatives resets every 2 years. Statistically, the Democrats struggle to maintain Congress under a Democratic president because of the identity crisis the party suffers from. The one where Moderate Dems tried to trade their left allies for Moderate neoliberal Republicans. Voters become disillusioned with the party and President as they fail to move left and don't vote.

Dems has a chance to secure the Senate in 2022 if the party plays hard and gets it's act together. Most of the seats are safe reelections for Republicans but are a couple that can be contested. One having to focus on a few thing because you can throw more eggs into a single basket and not have it backfire that cycle. In 2024 a lot of Dems seats are up for reelection with some seats being retired for sure. It will be a vulnerable and potentially transformative year. Likely putting a new Democratic presidential candidate on the ballot too, be it Harris or someone else.

So time will be of the essence for the party.

[Egomaniac]

Just. Give. It. Up.

From the official government reports on each election...
2008 Election: 133,944,538 voters out of 213,382,000 CVAP is 62.77% turnout.
2012 Election: 131,590,825 voters out of 222,250,587 CVAP is 59.21% turnout.
2016 Election: 140,114,502 voters out of 222,469,187 CVAP is 62.98% turnout.

More overall voters, higher CVAP turnout, if only marginally. This idea that the 2016 election was anything other than a high-turnout election is a myth. Please move on.

I'm just using the numbers that the article provided. If they are wrong...blame CNN.

[PACOX]

we need mayor pete in the cabinet!!

Mayor Pete for what? Great way to sour minority approval by giving him the wrong position. And what are his real credentials besides being a meme pick. He has served as mayor with not the best tenure. Never worked anywhere near federal government.

I hope Democrats don't start treating cabinet positions like Trump did.

[Draco-Onis]

Our House of Representatives resets every 2 years. Statistically, the Democrats struggle to maintain Congress under a Democratic president because of the identity crisis the party suffers from. The one where Moderate Dems tried to trade their left allies for Moderate neoliberal Republicans. Voters become disillusioned with the party and President as they fail to move left and don't vote.

Dems has a chance to secure the Senate in 2022 if the party plays hard and gets it's act together. Most of the seats are safe reelections for Republicans but are a couple that can be contested. One having to focus on a few thing because you can throw more eggs into a single basket and not have it backfire that cycle. In 2024 a lot of Dems seats are up for reelection with some seats being retired for sure. It will be a vulnerable and potentially transformative year. Likely putting a new Democratic presidential candidate on the ballot too, be it Harris or someone else.

So time will be of the essence for the party.

This will be groundhog day I see no indication that the democratic party has learned anything from this election or the fiasco of Obama trying to work with the republicans. They are already blaming their losses on progressives even though they swore the only way to guarantee a landslide victory was to have someone like Biden on the top of the ticket. The biggest force of voter suppression is the DNC they seem to revel in spitting in the face of the base to try to win over people that will never vote for them.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Great way to sour minority approval by giving him the wrong position.

is it because he's gay?

[eschatological]

is it because he's gay?

Nah, it's because he supported and excused cops who killed black men for no reason.

[Draco-Onis]

is it because he's gay?

No, did you miss the primary? his record as mayor.

[PhaelixWW]

Black voter turn out was lower. from about 65 to 59.

Naturally. And I'm not really looking to specifically state that 2016 was higher turnout than 2008. That entirely depends on whether you're using VAP, VEP, CVAP...

But whether or not 2016 beat 2008 in per capita, it was at the very least second only to 2008, and it was objectively higher in actual number of voters. So the idea that it was "low-turnout" is just ridiculous.

This election, on the other hand, will blow the others out of the water, at least for the last 50 years since the voting age was changed.

[beanman12345]

This will be groundhog day I see no indication that the democratic party has learned anything from this election or the fiasco of Obama trying to work with the republicans. They are already blaming their losses on progressives even though they swore the only way to guarantee a landslide victory was to have someone like Biden on the top of the ticket. The biggest force of voter suppression is the DNC they seem to revel in spitting in the face of the base to try to win over people that will never vote for them.

Yup though tbh, it was inevitable anyways. But it goes both ways too. Neither party learns.

[Draco-Onis]

Yup though tbh, it was inevitable anyways. But it goes both ways too. Neither party learns.

Whatever you say about the republican party they at least throw red meat to their base, the DNC seems to hate the people that vote for them. I hope progressives primary the shit out of these buffons.