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    So my concern is about how Democrats can actually stay in power to push through policies. I'm not trying to downplay the effort certain people like Stacy Abrams cultivating new voters, but even in a perfect storm 2020 is, combined with the PoS Trump is, it was not a landslide victory like it should be. Yes, I'm aware of all the systemic issues that really tilt the favor towards the Republicans, but I don't see that solved in the foreseeable future.

    So how do you keep the more "middle" Republicans that voted Biden this time, but are going back to Republicans in 2022/2024?

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    And Biden isn't a socialist, and if they Cubans believe he is, then they are just fucking gullible.
    Gullible isn’t really fair. It was obvious from the start, that instead of working for American people or fixing anything that doesn’t help billionaire elite. His strategy was to constant rallies, to lie about what he is doing and fear monger all of the problems onto his enemies. Trump never ran on his record, because his record is lying to people at rallies, instead of passing policy people support.

    Do you think people who love the troops, would support closing schools on military bases, because of a Trump executive order about a wall? Would they support him, if he didn’t have all the rallies, convincing them that he never dismantled pandamic response, so the rich can get a tax cut? His policy was shit and wholly unpopular, which is why his presidency is defined by nonstop campaigning to lie and steal, instead of governing for the people. Without those rallies, even Fox News couldn’t convince people that exchanging deductibles, for a tax cut for the rich, was a great deal. Because everyone knows, the number one beneficiary of Trump deals... is the people... the people who have as much or more money than Trump claims to have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by david0925 View Post
    So my concern is about how Democrats can actually stay in power to push through policies. I'm not trying to downplay the effort certain people like Stacy Abrams cultivating new voters, but even in a perfect storm 2020 is, combined with the PoS Trump is, it was not a landslide victory like it should be. Yes, I'm aware of all the systemic issues that really tilt the favor towards the Republicans, but I don't see that solved in the foreseeable future.

    So how do you keep the more "middle" Republicans that voted Biden this time, but are going back to Republicans in 2022/2024?
    I don’t think we would be having this conversations, if we knew last week, what we know now. I think a lot of people are still coping with the red mirage. Democrats lost seats in the house, but kept the house and are a special election away from taking the Senate. It’s not as bad as it looked... and getting better as votes get counted...
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    Could Trump successfully overturn the results of the election and get 4 more years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    Could Trump successfully overturn the results of the election and get 4 more years?
    I don’t know Davey, what evidence does Trump have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    Could Trump successfully overturn the results of the election and get 4 more years?
    Yes, by going to a crossroads and summoning the devil. After all, Trump is good doing deals (as he says).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    Could Trump successfully overturn the results of the election and get 4 more years?
    He'd need actual substantial evidence of wrong doing in multiple states for that to happen and so far he has produced exactly no evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Yes, by going to a crossroads and summoning the devil. After all, Trump is good doing deals (as he says).
    Get your fiddles ready, Georgia boys... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    Could Trump successfully overturn the results of the election and get 4 more years?
    Nope. And stop asking these ignorant questions. It would take him a miracle and massive amounts of evidence for it to happen. And I highly doubt he will have it, considering 10 cases have been thrown out about it already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Yes, by going to a crossroads and summoning the devil. After all, Trump is good doing deals (as he says).
    He doesn't have a soul to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    He doesn't have a soul to sell.
    True, and neither any member of his family... Poor Barron...

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Nope. And stop asking these ignorant questions. It would take him a miracle and massive amounts of evidence for it to happen. And I highly doubt he will have it, considering 10 cases have been thrown out about it already.
    Because they have nothing... even asking if it will work, is falling for it... because... what will work? This is a campaign to milk the last dime out of his supporters, to pay off their massive campaign debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    True, and neither any member of his family... Poor Barron...
    Poor Baron is an oxymoron...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelinrah View Post
    He'd need actual substantial evidence of wrong doing in multiple states for that to happen and so far he has produced exactly no evidence.
    I just mailed in my ballot and voted in person on Nov 3rd like Trump told me to, what's the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Yeah, should have voted for the guy that’s asking for donation to his ‘rigged election’ fund, with fine print saying 50% is going to pay off campaign debt.

    Edit: I know you said Biden is an unknown... but, do you think Biden will hold rallies on the tax payer dime, for the duration of his presidency?
    Your arguing with a fairly new member who is taking the side of Trump under the guise of both sides and their screen name is literally....ad hominem

    Their goal couldn’t be more obvious if their name was LibTriggerMAGA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Your arguing with a fairly new member who is taking the side of Trump under the guise of both sides and their screen name is literally....ad hominem
    Because even the gun control thread is no longer on front page... something happened...

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    I just mailed in my ballot and voted in person on Nov 3rd like Trump told me to, what's the problem?
    Did you verify that your neighbors voted properly, by stealing their mail? People are too selfish these days... never watching out for their neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Nope. And stop asking these ignorant questions. It would take him a miracle and massive amounts of evidence for it to happen. And I highly doubt he will have it, considering 10 cases have been thrown out about it already.
    Sorry. I'm just worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    Sorry. I'm just worried.
    First step to remove it... is to ask your self... why are you worried? By the end, you should realize how silly it is to be worried about a campaign, that is asking for donation, with fine print saying 50% of donations are going to pay off debt. You should still be worried, but more in the sense that people you care about, might fall for the scam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Did you verify that your neighbors voted properly, by stealing their mail? People are too selfish these days... never watching out for their neighbors.
    Yep, I also went down to the local graveyard to help some old timers fill in their ballots. Just being patriotic, ya know?
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    For the record, I didn't vote for Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastletonSnob View Post
    Sorry. I'm just worried.
    Don't be. The only way they would be able to over turn it, is if they basically abolished the election system, declared a dictatorship, and the whole entire military breaks all their oaths to the constitution, and follows Trump into that dictatorship, and that won't happen with all of the checks and balances against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Yep, I also went down to the local graveyard to help some old timers fill in their ballots. Just being patriotic, ya know?
    That’s the part most people don’t know... if you have a witness and can prop the rotten hand to sign it, it’s a totally legit vote. They kind of give it to you, because digging up graves for a single vote, is a pain in the ass. It’s why Gulliani is in charge of Trump’s vote conspiracy... he appeals to the ghoul voter.
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