Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Mormolyce]

were last night's comments/conversations because RealClearPolitics pulled calling PA on their site?

Real Clear Politics just took PA away from Biden and made it a toss up.

Only the beginning please look beyond the Big Media censorship to watch it all change.

His argument is simultaneously that media outlets don't call elections, and that the election is still ongoing because of a media outlet making a call lol.

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Y'know there was a guy way earlier in the thread talking about Trump's kids were basically going to be the future of the Republican party.

I'm just wondering if the 2024 candidate will be Kyle Rittenhouse, the Magabomber or those two rich douchebags who waved guns at protesters in the most limp-wristed way humanly possible.

[david0925]

Don't worry, there is no middle/moderate Republican. At best they are called less evil.
Furthermore these "people" really didn't deliver there end of the bargain.

so should I not worry, in the aspect that Dems can win and get things done without them
or should I not worry, because Dems are fucked in 2022/2024 anyway? Huge difference.

[SavoirFaire]

I'm just wondering if the 2024 candidate will be Kyle Rittenhouse, the Magabomber or those two rich douchebags who waved guns at protesters in the most limp-wristed way humanly possible.

Hey be careful you may accidentally summon George Zimmerman. I’m sure he needs a paycheck about now.

[Mekh]

So, because there's almost no activity from our resident trolls, I waded into ground zero and checked /pol/ for marching orders. There's actually quite a lot of activity going on and yes, some of that involved Real Clear Politics not having called a few states, as if it was proof of anything. But what's incredibly telling is, they are sharing around a bunch of non-stories and outright lies to keep each other hyped, but even they seem to know, none of these things will hold up to scrutiny and are hence not to be shared around or used for propaganda in the way they usually do. But similar to the QAnon people, they all seem awfully certain that their Gottkaiser can't fail and it's just a matter of time now until he crushes all dissent. Any day now. Seriously. Trust the plan...

It's as fascinating as it is sad.

[Breccia]

The Organization of American States isn't what you think it is. It is an international organization of countries in the Americas (plural) focused on political fairness. The EU has recognized them, for example, and given them permanent observer status.

And they just issued this report which not only says they didn't see any wide-scale fraud, but also, denounced baseless accusations of fraud.

"Oh boo hoo, who invited them anyhow?"

Trump did.

Oh, and OAS caleld "stop the vote" voter intimidation.

[passingthrew]

were last night's comments/conversations because RealClearPolitics pulled calling PA on their site?

It never happened. It was a lie

This is false. We never called Pennsylvania, and nothing has changed.

https://twitter.com/TomBevanRCP/stat...73800891150336

I shared that to a page, simply stating that PA was never uncalled. I was called a liar. I pointed out that tweet was from the Co-Founder & President of RealClearPolitics. Did not matter at all. IN fact, I was told a "que connection was made and they now had bigger fish to fry". I tried to think how to respond to that, still dont know.

[pathora44]

OMG! So it is true. Cancel the results! Redo the election!

On a more serious note, I expect the "evidence" tRump's cronies are going to present to us to be even more laughable. Just watch.
Or it's just Ghouliani standing infront of a pornshop repeating over and over again "we have the evidence", without actually providing any.

Throw out all of the votes for Democrats and then do a recount. It is the only way to have a properly fair election.

[passingthrew]

Throw out all of the votes for Democrats and then do a recount. It is the only way to have a properly fair election.

You got part of it right, what they really want is this, Throw out all of the votes for Democrats.

[Kaleredar]

So, because there's almost no activity from our resident trolls, I waded into ground zero and checked /pol/ for marching orders. There's actually quite a lot of activity going on and yes, some of that involved Real Clear Politics not having called a few states, as if it was proof of anything. But what's incredibly telling is, they are sharing around a bunch of non-stories and outright lies to keep each other hyped, but even they seem to know, none of these things will hold up to scrutiny and are hence not to be shared around or used for propaganda in the way they usually do. But similar to the QAnon people, they all seem awfully certain that their Gottkaiser can't fail and it's just a matter of time now until he crushes all dissent. Any day now. Seriously. Trust the plan...

It's as fascinating as it is sad.

I wonder what level of inter dimensional chess they’ll claim trump is operating at when Biden officially takes office in january.

[Kathranis]

Could Trump successfully overturn the results of the election and get 4 more years?

Given that after nearly a week the Trump team has failed to produce any credible evidence of fraud: No. Absolutely not.

If it were still November 5th I might tell you he had a chance, but as remaining ballots have been counted, Biden's lead in contested states has only grown. The sole exception is AZ, where Biden still leads by 14k, too great a margin to even allow for a recount by state law.

GA will do an automatic recount, but Biden now leads the state by over 12k votes. Trump paid for a recount in WI but Biden's lead there has grown to 20k votes. Biden currently leads by 140k in MI and 150k in NV. Keep in mind that no recount in US history has changed the results of an election by more than 700 votes.

None of those even matter without PA, where Biden leads by 46k votes. Without PA Trump has no path to victory. That's where his legal team is focusing their resources currently, but their lawsuits so far lack merit, would not materially change the results, and do little more than stall the process.

That leaves us with clear and decisive outcomes in every battleground state save perhaps GA, which alone cannot change the outcome. Biden leads both in electoral votes and popular vote by a wide margin.

In terms of election fraud, as I said before, no credible evidence has been uncovered in any key states. What allegations have been made have thus far amounted to nothing more than hearsay, and mainly consist of convoluted Q Anon conspiracy theories about deep state hackers and zombie voters, hoax videos, or downright idiocy.

Given the transparency and meticulousness of the process, any irregularities should have already been identified by now. American elections are subject to intense scrutiny.

That means the only option for a Trump win at this point would be for a large number of faithless electors to vote in defiance of their pledge, or for the SCOTUS to intervene and change the outcome. In both cases they would be clearly subverting the will of the people, an act that would profoundly and irrevocably damage the democratic process.

Frankly, that won't happen. The SCOTUS has no allegiance to Trump or the Republican party and aren't going to damage the very foundation of the country to give one man four more years in office. They rarely intervene on elections as it is.

Faithless electors are more of a wildcard, and it wouldn't be unheard of, though it is very rare. I believe it is also criminalized in all of the aforementioned states.

[Thepersona]

The Organization of American States isn't what you think it is. It is an international organization of countries in the Americas (plural) focused on political fairness. The EU has recognized them, for example, and given them permanent observer status.

And they just issued this report which not only says they didn't see any wide-scale fraud, but also, denounced baseless accusations of fraud.

"Oh boo hoo, who invited them anyhow?"

Trump did.

Oh, and OAS caleld "stop the vote" voter intimidation.

I find rather amusing to see OAS, among others denounce things that the US took a habit to point fingers on.

[Paranoid Android]

In a statement to @NBCNews
, the Office of the Director of National intelligence says it will not interface with the Biden transition until the General Services Administration decides it’s clear who won.

This is so dangerous. Once again Trump is dangerous to democracy. Since all his cronies head these key administrations and are loyal to Trump, no the country it hurts our country that the next administration will not get a smooth transition into its Presidency.

[Drutt]

For the record, you didn't vote in this election, you're European, most likely British.

Word choice and spelling are a thing.

There's really no need for the casual xenophobia. Naturalisation is a thing.

Frankly, I jumped through enough hoops and spent enough money on the process that I don't really appreciate someone taking the position of "you're can't be American, you use "S" instead of "Z" when spelling things."

[Machismo]

There's really no need for the casual xenophobia. Naturalisation is a thing.

Frankly, I jumped through enough hoops and spent enough money on the process that I don't really appreciate someone taking the position of "you're can't be American, you use "S" instead of "Z" when spelling things."

It's not xenophobia, it's calling out the guy for being disingenuous. His word usage is the same as other burner accounts that have popped up through the years.

It's not about hating foreigners, it's about calling people out on their bullshit. If you want to take offense, I don't much care.

[Biglog]

With the GOP rushing ahead in SCOTUS aiming for the Affordable Care Act today I kind of wonder if this whole Republican strategy of being hostile and aggressive as possible, which worked well for so long, won't finally backfire over the next couple months. I actually think the GOP might be overplaying their hand now.

Can they rush trying to kill Obamacare through SCOTUS before the Senate runoffs where the Senate is decided or Biden is inaugurated, sure. But the GOP saw the rallies in the streets. Removing the ACA affects everyone even with good insurance which a lot of GOP voters don't realize. It's not just about people with Obamacare policies (which includes Republican voters btw). It includes provisions around being able to keep kids on your employer's policy through college age and other things. It would be hilarious if the fact that many of these things are going to hurt middle and low-income GOP voters starts to become more realized by them, and ends up pushing the Georgia Senate runoffs to Democratic wins.

I should feel bad for them, but there is something ironically delicious in the people that are still buying and pushing Trump's lies around voter fraud and "legal defense fundraising" going on now. It's basically like a huge version of what the students that were defrauded by Trump University went through. Be fed lies about a fake college education that doesn't exist while being scammed for as much money as possible. Replace "college education" with Trump lies of voter fraud and replace their student debt with "legal fight donations" and that is precisely what is happening to the people believing his lies now. Most of the money will be redirected to his accounts without much actual legal action at all, and if you don't believe that read the fine print in his spammed donation emails from the past few days.

But by all means keep sending your cash to Trump as much as possible, and keep believing faked videos and photoshopped pictures that have close to a 100% rate of being debunked in less than an hour of being posted. Get your hopes up really, really high that the election outcome will change in court with baseless claims, or the idea that recounts will change 10's of thousands of votes in multiple states. Then in February when the façade fades and reality starts to sink in, the people that fell for it will know exactly how the Trump University students felt.

[Kaleredar]

In a statement to @NBCNews
, the Office of the Director of National intelligence says it will not interface with the Biden transition until the General Services Administration decides it’s clear who won.

This is so dangerous. Once again Trump is dangerous to democracy. Since all his cronies head these key administrations and are loyal to Trump, no the country it hurts our country that the next administration will not get a smooth transition into its Presidency.

Apparently Biden was prepared for this scenario and already began tapping foreign policy advisers.

While it’s obvious that trump is trying to go down kicking and screaming, I trust Biden’s experience as Vice President (and countries likely being far more wiling to work with Biden than trump) will more than prepare him for taking up the reigns with ease.

[Drutt]

It's not xenophobia, it's calling out the guy for being disingenuous. His word usage is the same as other burner accounts that have popped up through the years.

It's not about hating foreigners, it's about calling people out on their bullshit. If you want to take offense, I don't much care.

You specifically argued he couldn't have voted because he doesn't type "like an American".

That's objectively nonsense and is absolutely a form of xenophobia: this person is different, and therefore cannot have voted.

Well, I certainly voted and I don't type like you either. He might well be full of shit (I certainly have no way of knowing either way) but the fact he formats numbers differently to you certainly has nothing to do whether or not he has the right to vote here.

[Mekh]

I wonder what level of inter dimensional chess they’ll claim trump is operating at when Biden officially takes office in january.

I honestly couldn't tell you if they really believe in it or of it's all perfunctory to fit in among the rest. I've become pretty jaded from reading regular comment sections over the last 4 or 5 years, but the kind of absurd hate and bizarre discussions they're having over there still beggar any belief. I couldn't give a single example of it in polite, moderated company.

[Kathranis]

You specifically argued he couldn't have voted because he doesn't type "like an American".

That's objectively nonsense and is absolutely a form of xenophobia: this person is different, and therefore cannot have voted.

Well, I certainly voted and I don't type like you either. He might well be full of shit (I certainly have no way of knowing either way) but the fact he formats numbers differently to you certainly has nothing to do whether or not he has the right to vote here.

No, he argued that he didn't vote because he's a foreign troll using a burner account. The European typing was just evidence supporting that claim.

[Machismo]

You specifically argued he couldn't have voted because he doesn't type "like an American".

That's objectively nonsense and is absolutely a form of xenophobia: this person is different, and therefore cannot have voted.

Well, I certainly voted and I don't type like you either. He might well be full of shit (I certainly have no way of knowing either way) but the fact he formats numbers differently to you certainly has nothing to do whether or not he has the right to vote here.

Once again, this dude has posted before, it's a burner account. The attempts to be deceptive, including word usage (not just spelling) gave it up for him.

If you want to continue defending the sea lioning burner account, be my guest.

Good for you, glad you voted. Voting is awesome.