Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Orange Joe]

Why do people always double down when they are wrong? Bruised ego? Show some humility once in a while, you might learn something.

Blocked.

You tell me lol. I love how your telling me what I meant when I wrote it

[unfilteredJW]

Why do people always double down when they are wrong? Bruised ego? Show some humility once in a while, you might learn something.

Blocked.

No one is buying it and you will have your noses rubbed in the mess you made as long as you are here.

[Shadowferal]

The socialism and defund the police attacks worked downballot unfortunately.

This is coming from someone that did not support Joe in the primary and volunteered for another campaign.

Biden made a point of several things said in certain states, notably, he's not locking down the country, and he said rioting and looting won't be tolerated.
So...read between the lines.

[Draco-Onis]

It was a push for the center, hence why blue states turned red then back to blue. Even with one of the worst (if not THE worst) presidents in history, Biden on won by a few percentage points in the battle ground states that actually matter.

No you don't get it it's not about left or right anymore what does Trump, Obama and Bernie have in common populism. That's what the DNC seems to miss in 2016 people want change whether it's from the left or the right that's why centrism is doomed to lose power. You either stand for something or nothing at all voters aren't happy with the establishment.

People don't care about policy anymore they just want change that's why Biden got such a lukewarm victory.

[kaelleria]

He would have to really fuck up to lose Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the most stable Blue States. It hasn’t been red in a near 50 years.

That's what I think of Bernie.

Omar lost 17 points of support in freaking Minneapolis.

How do you think Bernie would have done.

[Draco-Onis]

That's what I think of Bernie.

Omar lost 17 points of support in freaking Minneapolis.

How do you think Bernie would have done.

What would easily win an election is a middle aged white male with a populist message, Bernie has too much baggage and frankly I don't see a woman having a shot at the presidency. Kamala Harris has virtually no chance of winning an election the country is just not there yet.

[muto]

That's what I think of Bernie.

Omar lost 17 points of support in freaking Minneapolis.

How do you think Bernie would have done.

Bernie is more liked, so better.

[unfilteredJW]

Bernie is more liked, so better.

So liked he won the primary.

[PACOX]

Nope.
Had Bernie been the candidate you'd be wondering what happened.

How do we know this hypothetical? Because so far Biden has won across party lines, flipping a negative amount of Republicans. His was, so far because we don't have all the numbers yet, is due to increased turn out from the Left. Both registered Democrats and NPAs.

Unless you're suggesting that Democrats wouldn't have voted to spite Bernie you can infer the same people would have voted for him. Also Leftist/progressive policy and candidates did great in their down ballots nation wide ie Florida rejecting Democrats but passive progressive amendments.

An actual hypothetical is what would have happened had COVID19 not been a thing. Trump was up in the polls until he started fucking up in the polls. He is actually one of the few leaders who didn't see gain during the summer because he dropped the ball so hard.

[muto]

What would easily win an election is a middle aged white male with a populist message, Bernie has too much baggage and frankly I don't see a woman having a shot at the presidency. Kamala Harris has virtually no chance of winning an election the country is just not there yet.

I think she has a better chance than Hillary or Sarah Palin. I honestly think that’s why she was picked as VP. I think they’re grooming her.

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So liked he won the primary.

More liked than Omar, which is who I’m talking about. Try keeping up.

[Draco-Onis]

I think she has a better chance than Hillary or Sarah Palin. I honestly think that’s why she was picked as VP. I think they’re grooming her.

Women don't want to vote for women the rust belt would not go for her she has better chance than those two but that isn't saying much.

[muto]

Women don't want to vote for women the rust belt would not go for her she has better chance than those two but that isn't saying much.

15% more women voted for Hillary than Trump in 2016.

[Kellhound]

No you don't get it it's not about left or right anymore what does Trump, Obama and Bernie have in common populism. That's what the DNC seems to miss in 2016 people want change whether it's from the left or the right that's why centrism is doomed to lose power. You either stand for something or nothing at all voters aren't happy with the establishment.

People don't care about policy anymore they just want change that's why Biden got such a lukewarm victory.

So the people just want change, and a candidate offering massive change from the current one only gets a lukewarm victory... I will argue that most people do NOT want change, and that is why any sharp change is overturned within 6 years.

[Felya]

15% more women voted for Hillary than Trump in 2016.

Despite Trump’s horrifying history with women...

[unfilteredJW]

I think she has a better chance than Hillary or Sarah Palin. I honestly think that’s why she was picked as VP. I think they’re grooming her.

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More liked than Omar, which is who I’m talking about. Try keeping up.

Kept up just fine. Point stands.

[Felya]

So the people just want change, and a candidate offering massive change from the current one only gets a lukewarm victory... I will argue that most people do NOT want change, and that is why any sharp change is overturned within 6 years.

More than 4 million votes... Luke warm... largest vote count in US history... noice...

[Xeones]

Nope.
Had Bernie been the candidate you'd be wondering what happened.

lol nope I'm wondering right now what happened, how this election wasn't an all out rejection of Trump.

Stop acting like you know everything. We've had 2 elections in a row of "wtf just happened"

[Antiganon]

No you don't get it it's not about left or right anymore what does Trump, Obama and Bernie have in common populism. That's what the DNC seems to miss in 2016 people want change whether it's from the left or the right that's why centrism is doomed to lose power. You either stand for something or nothing at all voters aren't happy with the establishment.

People don't care about policy anymore they just want change that's why Biden got such a lukewarm victory.

Plenty of people care about policy.

I would vote for the most bland boring person imaginable if they had good policy ideas and I liked what they wanted to do for the country.

And had Martin O'Malley won the nomination in 2016, I would have gladly done so.

[unfilteredJW]

Plenty of people care about policy.

I would vote for the most bland boring person imaginable if they had good policy ideas and I liked what they wanted to do for the country.

And had Martin O'Malley won the nomination in 2016, I would have gladly done so.

You, unfortunately, aren’t most voters, and giving credit to masses that have shown themselves to be both stupid and selfish. Covid has been eye opening.

[Kaleredar]

I think this "Bernie would have won even biglier!" talk is not useful at this time.

Take this victory as what it is: a victory. A rejection of Trump. Two things that were sorely needed for the United States.Two things that detractors cannot take away from the democratic party.

Trying to defuse or lessen it by saying "But did the liberals really win?" is patently dishonest and, ultimately, quite harmful to actual progress.