1. #3261
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    I never stated that. I only ever said not voting be it Abstaining or withholding your vote at the top of the ticket is a viable tactic in a democracy.
    It's a tactic republicans are banking on. Well done being their pawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Man, "leftists" and the "boogaloo" crowd really are a perfect match, and they totally deserve each other.
    Dude. Rochana is saying insane things. Why the fuck i keep seeing actual communists bashing the anti voting crowd and treating them like the inmature children they are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Man, "leftists" and the "boogaloo" crowd really are a perfect match, and they totally deserve each other.
    It’s like they are one and the same.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    He really isn't. Everything points towards people not wanting to vote for him.
    Other than people voting for him........
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  4. #3264
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Wow... sounds like more people should vote.
    Well... What jetti says is also a lie. Bush (narrowly) lost the popular vote and should have lost the election if it wasnt for his brother throwing ballots into the sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    He really isn't. Everything points towards people not wanting to vote for him.
    Dude. Understand this. He won the primary precisely because he was the most electable candidate ffs. Sanders would have lost Florida for sure. People voted for him, not because they particularly liked him, but because they thought in november. As much a i dont like to say this, the US is not prepared for a candidate like Sanders/Warren to be its president.
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  5. #3265
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    As opposed to being the pawn of corporate sell outs who turn their back on the working class every chance they get. Couldn't even get manage to get minimum wage hike with a Democratic super majority.
    Well you are a pawn of one or the other. You choose republican pawn. That's fine but at least own it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    He really isn't. Everything points towards people not wanting to vote for him.
    Slacktivism on twitter and binging on youtube podcasts doesn't get candidates elected.

    Voting does, and Sanders were rejected by people doing just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post


    He actually hasn't won anything yet. He is the presumptive nominee. It also isn't hard when the News Media does a fawning coverage over 24 hour period for winning a single state that he has no chance at winning in the General Election.
    Florida?
    Because he trounced Sanders in Florida. And he actually has a chance of winning said state, as opposed to Sanders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Yeah, I agree, either of the parties should stop ignoring the middle class and give them more then platitudes. It worked well for FDR.
    Democrats do, otherwise there would be no entitlement or social programs for GOP to destroy. In fact, the name most used with the green new deal, AOC, has put her support behind Biden. According to people who wrote the green new deal, Biden is the only option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    I choose neither, and thus a pawn of neither. I don't care how you moralize it.

    My vote isn't going to Trump or the GOP. You can make up whatever fiction you want.
    You are only discouraging Biden, it’s not that difficult to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    I choose neither, and thus a pawn of neither. I don't care how you moralize it.

    My vote isn't going to Trump or the GOP. You can make up whatever fiction you want.
    Again, you choosing neither, means you are a republican pawn by default, since they want it. In fact, you can't even be called an unwitting republican pawn, since you unlike people who are suppressed, are actively choosing to not vote, which means you are a witting pawn of the republican party. You can lie to yourself that you are not, but all that makes you is a liar.

  10. #3270
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Not every state has mail voting, and it tends to be the poor that lack sick and vacation days as their jobs don't offer it, and it isn't a requirement in the 3rd world country known as the U.S.


    I am not one to make a villain out of the poor. I know its something a lot of libertarians like do to, but then you're just playing into the hands of Corporations and the Ultra Wealthy.
    Great, then vote before or after work.

    People choose to not vote, and that doesn't make those that do privileged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Yeah, I've heard that before, it didn't work out too well last time.
    Yeah, another reason to vote this time.
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  12. #3272
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    He really isn't. Everything points towards people not wanting to vote for him.
    The polls disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Only if you want to be dismissive of statistical evidence.
    Not voting is dismissive... he is not dismissing the election.

    All stats show that more people should vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Only if you want to be dismissive of statistical evidence.
    I'm pointing out that people choosing to not vote is not my fucking fault.

    If you want to make voting even easier, great... I'm all for it.

    If you want to fucking whine that voting is this classist thing of privilege... bullshit. If I choose to not vote, it's not because the man is keeping me down. It's because I made a conscious choice in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Wishful thinking, but in reality too many people are going to sit this one out for Biden to win in november.
    But, you have stated this is exactly what you want. You want Trump to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Wishful thinking, but in reality too many people are going to sit this one out for Biden to win in november.
    Said the guy claiming he will fly to US, to vote for Trump. I don’t know, seeing how active Trump supporters are in demanding people not vote, it gives me hope that your fear is justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Great, then vote before or after work.

    People choose to not vote, and that doesn't make those that do privileged.
    No, it is a privilege for many folks. It's a Constitutional right, but that doesn't mean that said right is equally available to all. (because it's not and historically has really never been)

    They work hourly jobs that often do not have sick/vacation time. So that day they take off to vote is a day they don't get paid, which hurts a lot of folks.

    Going before or after work? What if you're working multiple shifts that day? What if you show up 3 hours early to vote, and 3 hours later you're still waiting in line and need to get to work? What if you go immediately after work and you're stuck in line for 7 hours waiting to vote because there's not enough machines or locations to vote at?

    The issues have been heavily covered over the years, and the generally tend to crop up more when Republicans control the voting in the state (curious ain't it?!), and primarily target lower income people who have less flexibility and time to wait in extremely long lines to vote.

    For a great many of us, yes, we are privileged to live in a state that allows no-question absentee voting. We're privileged to work salaried jobs with paid vacation/sick leave where we can safely take a day off without worrying. We're privileged because we live in areas where there are likely more voting locations and machines so we don't have to make the decision whether or not to wait in line for 5+ hours to place our vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    I have said, I hope Biden wins. A number of times. I'm not lying, I think Biden will be better than Trump.
    You do understand that makes it worse? It’s one thing to not vote, because you can’t choose. It’s a lot worse to know one is better and still not vote.
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  18. #3278
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Why would you want my fear that the Democratic nominee is going to lose be justified?

    Do you not understand that -that- is the main underlying factor driving the entire motivations of every single person in this thread that is opposed to Biden?

    You have like the same 3-4 people trying to defend Biden over and over again, but the amount of people that dropped by and literally told everyone they won't be voting for Biden outnumbers all the other comments in this thread by a large margin. Biden's best campaign strategy at the moment is keeping him out of the spotlight and hiding him. The signs are obvious and clear on the wall how this is going to go in November... Your energy trying to defend a losing cause would better be spend on trying to find a solution how to get Trump removed from office in November.
    You want trump to win. You said you want to vote for him. You don't fear the Democratic nominee losing, you actively campaign for it to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Why would you want my fear that the Democratic nominee is going to lose be justified?
    If that was your fear, you would be pointing at a 47 time over sexual abuser, whose party is blocking 1.6 billion dollars to victims. A president that just yesterday, demanded immunity for corporations against their workers. You are so afraid, you wish you could fly to US and lend Trump a hand. You are afraid that American workers, middle class, the poor and everyone in between, will no longer be under authoritarians you hope will rid the world of the undesirables. To translate into alt right: Milk won’t spoil it self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    You want trump to win. You said you want to vote for him. You don't fear the Democratic nominee losing, you actively campaign for it to happen.
    They fear American people voting. There is no way to convince us to vote Trump, so their only hope is we don’t vote. That’s the desperation level...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    If that was your fear, you would be pointing at a 47 time over sexual abuser, whose party is blocking 1.6 billion dollars to victims. A president that just yesterday, demanded immunity for corporations against their workers. You are so afraid, you wish you could fly to US and lend Trump a hand. You are afraid that American workers, middle class, the poor and everyone in between, will no longer be under authoritarians you hope will rid the world of the undesirables. To translate into alt right: Milk won’t spoil it self.

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    They fear American people voting. There is no way to convince us to vote Trump, so their only hope is we don’t vote. That’s the desperation level...
    They are complete frauds, laid barren and exposed for all to see in this thread(refering to him and theo.)

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