Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Breccia]

Arizona's GOP AG says people voted Republican, but not for Trump

There are four pieces of this article I like.

One, the headline.

Two, the AZ AG said Trump was talking about 200 votes.

Three, the AZ AG said Trump tried to ask that the evidence remain sealed, to conceal how flimsy the evidence was. Election officials wanted it public, and the judge agreed.

And four, the AZ AG said all this on FOX News and Cavuto basically said "keep up the good work".

[cubby]

Your "point" appears to be an accusation that I would somehow defend Nazis, when they had not been mentioned. Godwin's Law is about Nazis being brought into the discussion.

My point is still cruising over your head, and Godwin's law isn't about Nazi's just being brought into the discussion. Shout if you have questions though - we're here to help!

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps...&source=Reddit

Apparently it's such a pathetic shitshow that even mentioning Biden's name around Trump will get you fired.

Talk about one of the most epic adult temper tantrums that's ever existed in the history of humanity.

This might be the best quote yet:

“It's like dealing with a lunatic on the subway. Everyone just kind of sits and stares ahead, pretends they can't hear him, and waits for him to eventually get off. ”

— GOP source close to the administration

[beanman12345]

Arizona's GOP AG says people voted Republican, but not for Trump

Not for Trump, or his little doodle McSally, twice in a row. Yeah some republican's won, but GOP just have to accept that Trump and Trumpism turned DEEP red AZ into a shade of purple.

[kaelleria]

More Maricopa drops... Trump needed +25%. He got +9%.

[Feanoro]

The very first sentence you quoted states that Trumpism is defined as lying, followed by examples. How is that not addressing what you said?

The very first sentence? I assume you mean your first sentence, because the target of my original reply asserts no such thing. It's only later that the nonsense accusation that all supporters were knowingly in on some secret code worded agenda came about. Now if you are referring to me answering you, yes, you stated the ideology is lying (in your second post to me, so please decide which "first sentence" you mean) and gave examples which had nothing to do with proving the accusation that all supporters were part of this secret.

My point is still cruising over your head

So pray enlighten me what your point was then, since you're not as clear as you seem to think. Otherwise, you seem to be accusing me of defending Nazis or something.

Racism is a problem because race is an immutable characteristics. Same with gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, and age. Religion is also out of bounds, because you can't force someone to change sincerely held beliefs.

Note that political affiliation isn't a protected class, because you can (and should) change your political affiliation at any time you choose should a new candidate platform or policy appeal to you.

Political affiliation is supposed to be informed by sincerely held beliefs. You choose a candidate as close as possible to those beliefs. Sadly it's almost always the lesser of two (or more) evils, but that's another topic. My point was that racism is making an unfounded blanket assumption about a group. If that behavior is objectionable (and should be), then it applies to other groups as well. The poster made an unfounded blanket assumption about all Trump supporters.

Trumpets weren't born Trumpets, they willingly chose it as adults, and they deserve 100% of the derision they get for their completely reversible choices.

Even putting aside your childish name calling here, you just defended sincerely held beliefs. You're more than welcome to try to prove the assertion that the choice wasn't made out of such beliefs, let alone the original point to which I objected, that it was in bad faith.

[Felya]

The very first sentence? I assume you mean your first sentence, because the target of my original reply asserts no such thing.

Dude... you quoted me saying it twice... how can you possibly be confused?

It's only later that the nonsense accusation that all supporters were knowingly in on some secret code worded agenda came about. Now if you are referring to me answering you, yes, you stated the ideology is lying (in your second post to me, so please decide which "first sentence" you mean) and gave examples which had nothing to do with proving the accusation that all supporters were part of this secret.

Literally said none of the sort... none of it... the part of the guy saying he lied to pollsters, can’t be a secret, if he was telling everyone... can it? Ridiculous...

So pray enlighten me what your point was then, since you're not as clear as you seem to think. Otherwise, you seem to be accusing me of defending Nazis or something.

For the third time, that Trumpism is predicated on lying. Here are nearly 3000 emails Trump has sent to the elderly, to steal from them. Just a reminder as you read these, note how often they are sent and that Trump is a billionaire:

https://politicalemails.org/organizations/415

[cubby]

So pray enlighten me what your point was then, since you're not as clear as you seem to think. Otherwise, you seem to be accusing me of defending Nazis or something.

You said:

- complains about racism, an attitude which lumps entire groups of people under a label with assumptions about them
- proceeds to lump all Trump supporters under a label and make assumptions about them

Hmmm.

If you substitute in the word "Nazi" for "Trump" in your statement above, you are claiming that calling all Nazi supporters Nazi's is racist. Which obviously isn't true. So your statement, and overall claim, is entirely invalid. But you already knew that, given your concern.

[nonameelf]

Nothing quite like Fox News accusing Democrats of voter suppression without any hit of self awareness.

[beanman12345]

Nothing quite like Fox News accusing Democrats of voter suppression without any hit of self awareness.

What? Oh I just need to know the context here for the giggles.

[Felya]

What? Oh I just need to know the context here for the giggles.

The polls were wrong... that’s what they are calling voter suppression. Trump encouraging his supporters to distrust pollsters for 4 years, surely had nothing to do with it. I am not calling you Shirley...

[nonameelf]

What? Oh I just need to know the context here for the giggles.

It was just on Laura Ingraham's show, not sure when clips of it will be available. They're calling polls voter suppression basically.

[Feanoro]

Dude... you quoted me saying it twice... how can you possibly be confused?

Because you replied to me, words have meanings, and you were unclear as to which first sentence you meant?

Literally said none of the sort... none of it... the part of the guy saying he lied to pollsters, can’t be a secret, if he was telling everyone... can it? Ridiculous...

Trace my posts back. See that what I first replied to made the accusation. It's starting to seem like we're talking two entirely different topics.

For the third time, that Trumpism is predicated on lying.

Not addressed to you, but ok then. So you're claiming that all supporters embrace lying. About what? To what end?

Here are nearly 3000 emails Trump has sent to the elderly, to steal from them. Just a reminder as you read these, note how often they are sent and that Trump is a billionaire:

https://politicalemails.org/organizations/415

You do understand that political donation emails are not sent out personally? You do understand their purpose is not stealing, but soliciting donations? I really hope so.

[Breccia]

Trump may accept results but never concede he lost, aides say

There is a growing expectation among President Donald Trump’s advisers that he will never concede that he lost re-election, even after votes are certified in battleground states over the coming weeks, according to multiple people familiar with the president’s thinking.

“Do not expect him to concede,” one top aide said. More likely, the aide said, “he’ll say something like, ‘We can’t trust the results, but I’m not contesting them.’”

Another adviser said that after the legal battles and recounts, the closest the president is likely to get to a concession is, “he’ll acknowledge the results and that we’ll never know how accurate they are.”

“But we’re not there yet,” the adviser said.

In the meantime there is also growing frustration inside the White House — what allies described as “embarrassment” as well as “uncertainty and doubt and confusion” — over the president’s refusal to acknowledge the election result and chart a path forward.

“This is unsustainable,” another aide said.

While some aides had hoped the president would begin to move forward in the coming days, many anticipate it taking weeks. For the Trump campaign, Nov. 15 is seen as the unofficial end of the election, according to an official. That’s when the campaign officially wraps up, and only a bare-bones staff will stay in place.

Aides are concerned Trump could scuttle the Republican support for his decision to fight the election results in battleground states if he says something publicly that they might struggle to defend, as was the case during his appearance last Thursday in the White House briefing room when Trump insisted he’d won states he had lost and that there was widespread corruption.

“There’s a sense that if he goes out and does anything forcefully, that’s the one way he risks losing Republican support,” one of the president’s allies said. “And that’s when the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.”

Hey @cubby can you plead 'no contest' to an election?

[beanman12345]

It was just on Laura Ingraham's show, not sure when clips of it will be available. They're calling polls voter suppression basically.

Thank you very much and @Felya. Don't need a clip, hilarious non the less.

[Feanoro]

If you substitute in the word "Nazi" for "Trump" in your statement above, you are claiming that calling all Nazi supporters Nazi's is racist. Which obviously isn't true. So your statement, and overall claim, is entirely invalid. But you already knew that, given your concern.

Well now I see why I missed your "point"... because it's nonsense.

I pointed out that making assumptions about groups is wrong, and that the poster was doing exactly that. This "calling all Nazi supporters Nazi's is racist" is an utterly bizarre interpretation.

But you already knew that, given your concern.

If you're going to accuse me of trolling, have the decency to do so openly.

[Machismo]

Because you replied to me, words have meanings, and you were unclear as to which first sentence you meant?

Trace my posts back. See that what I first replied to made the accusation. It's starting to seem like we're talking two entirely different topics.

Not addressed to you, but ok then. So you're claiming that all supporters embrace lying. About what? To what end?

You do understand that political donation emails are not sent out personally? You do understand their purpose is not stealing, but soliciting donations? I really hope so.

This is the problem with Trumpsters. When you wholeheartedly defend the man, and support him, then you are going to be held accountable for your choices in life. You support a lying racist, so don't blame others when they judge you for your choices in life.

[Kathranis]

Not for Trump, or his little doodle McSally, twice in a row. Yeah some republican's won, but GOP just have to accept that Trump and Trumpism turned DEEP red AZ into a shade of purple.

The crazy thing is if Trump didn't keep shooting himself in the feet he could have easily won this election.

All he had to do was:

• Not convince his supporters that wearing a mask was a political statement, sending some of them to the hospital or an early grave.
• Not discourage his supporters from using mail-in ballots to easily and safely vote from the comfort of their own homes.
• Not repeatedly insult the recently deceased Senator that Arizona kept electing for 30 years.

Well, okay, that probably wouldn't have gotten him enough Electoral Votes, but he might have won AZ and GA.

[Mormolyce]

The biggest red pill is that both Trump and Biden are good dudes who want to do good for the country but both of their supporter bases are completely vile

Biden seems like your average establishment politician. I have no idea what he's like in his personal life as a result.

Trump has literally always been a terrible person. That's nothing to do with his politics.

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- complains about racism, an attitude which lumps entire groups of people under a label with assumptions about them

Let me stop you right there. That's not an accurate description of what racism is, which is why your corollary turned out false.

[Omega10]

Putting it simply, moderate Dems in swing districts need to be able to say "Just because so-and-so is also a democrat doesn't mean I will be dragged to the left on every issue. I support the voters in $state, and YOUR concerns are what matters to me, not the concerns of AOC or Pelosi or Sanders".

That they can't do so convincingly means they suck at messaging and voter outreach, not that progressives in progressive states/districts need to back off the policies that got them elected.

From what I can tell, once the race was called in favor of Biden, a few conservative democrats took the opportunity to bash the left wing of the party. Well quite a few. AOC responded forcefully as well as quickly. Quite a few people acted like AOC started the whole mess and asked Why is AOC attacking moderate democrats???

It looks like AOC won this round. Current articles go out of their way to mention timelines where the mainstream democrats absolutely and most definitely started it in the first place. The moderate democrats have stopped attacking the left. And the incoming Biden administration has gone out of their way to push $10k student loan relief and an extended UBI and lockdown (the UBI is so the economy can kind of limp along until the lockdown can be ended). Which is pretty left. The fact that a national lockdown is considered "left" reflects really bad on republicans.

On a practical note, if republicans get one of the Georgia Senate seats nothing liberal will happen anyways since McConnell will put a stop to them. But my take on it is that Biden voluntarily intervened in a way very favorable to the left. For me, this is about all I can really expect at this point. After all, we live in a country where well over 70 million people voted for Trump.

[Xeones]

The crazy thing is if Trump didn't keep shooting himself in the feet he could have easily won this election.

All he had to do was:

• Not convince his supporters that wearing a mask was a political statement, sending some of them to the hospital or an early grave.
• Not discourage his supporters from using mail-in ballots to easily and safely vote from the comfort of their own homes.
• Not repeatedly insult the recently deceased Senator that Arizona kept electing for 30 years.

Well, okay, that probably wouldn't have gotten him enough Electoral Votes, but he might have won AZ and GA.

I think the bigger impact would have been PA. A lot of GA seems to be from the work Abrams has put in over the last 2 years.