Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[kaelleria]

Just gonna ignore this one and let the other thread do it's job.

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I believe the pima drop already happened it was basically 50/50. I think there is a mericopa drop happening tonight and maybe one more but there just are not enough ousttanding votes to matter. Biden is ahead by 11k ish and there are only 16k ballots remaining.

Edit correction after pima drop only 13k votes remaining. Trump to catch up basically has to win like 90% of everything left.

That was Cochise.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I'm aware of that, my point is while these people will freely virtue signal that stuff, if given the choice to take money from the government without anyone knowing, I think they'll take the money 9 times out of 10.

Case in point, pretty sure the vast majority of these people gladly accepted those $1200 Trump bucks. That was literally money from the government.

Free money is fine if it's from one of their vaunted republicans. If it's Democrat they cry foul.

[Hinastorm]

Free money is fine if it's from one of their vaunted republicans. If it's Democrat they cry foul.

They can perform mental gymnastics about the reason all they want, I stick by my point. This needs to be the rallying cry to get all Dems, and maybe some republicans, to vote for the 2 Dem senators in Georgia.

[PACOX]

They can perform mental gymnastics about the reason all they want, I stick by my point. This needs to be the rallying cry to get all Dems, and maybe some republicans, to vote for the 2 Dem senators in Georgia.

Im curious. Why would a Republican in Georgia vote against their party in either election? If you're a moderate Republican, your scourge is gone. Why give up the Senate? Anyone to the right of the moderate sure isn't going to flip.

[Felya]

Im curious. Why would a Republican in Georgia vote against their party in either election? If you're a moderate Republican, your scourge is gone. Why give up the Senate? Anyone to the right of the moderate sure isn't going to flip.

Why do you not vote Republican?

[Hinastorm]

Im curious. Why would a Republican in Georgia vote against their party in either election? If you're a moderate Republican, your scourge is gone. Why give up the Senate? Anyone to the right of the moderate sure isn't going to flip.

Not sure if you read my replies here, but it's because if democrats take the Senate, a ton of people stand to gain alot of direct financial assistance. Either in the form of retroactive unemployment, or another stimulus check, or likely both.

I'm arguing that when you put thousands of dollars in front of someone, they tend to forget their loyalties for a moment. And it's something we have to take advantage of.

I've said this in other replies, but our LAST chance to sway the kind of republican that is a trump cultist to our side is direct financial assistance. The kind that instantly goes away when republicans next take power. That is all that is left.

But, we shouldn't even need to sway these people, of course. We're the majority party in this country, republicans have just been holding onto power by the skin of their teeth through cheating the system (gerrymandering, and the undemocratic senate).

I'd rather us focus on fixing the system to actually represent the fact that we are the comfortable majority, versus trying to sway idiotic trump voters, in the long run.

[Shadowferal]

Im curious. Why would a Republican in Georgia vote against their party in either election? If you're a moderate Republican, your scourge is gone. Why give up the Senate? Anyone to the right of the moderate sure isn't going to flip.

The idea is that Republicans won't get the job done..the job that helps "me" during the time I'm having financial problems because of this covid19 stuff. If they won't help, then I'm forced to turn to those that will; Democrats.

Of course this goes against the idea that red-states vote against their own interests, but...lets make the effort anyway.

[Kathranis]

Im curious. Why would a Republican in Georgia vote against their party in either election? If you're a moderate Republican, your scourge is gone. Why give up the Senate? Anyone to the right of the moderate sure isn't going to flip.

To quote a genius legal mind, I think it's safe to say that there is a "non-zero" number of Republicans who may be rethinking party affiliation after this election.

I don't know that I'd expect it to be a massive number, but there was clearly a significant number of split-ticket Republicans (including in GA) given that he was outperformed by down ballot candidates.

If those people were dissatisfied enough with Trump to vote for Biden or neither of them, then those senators cozying up to him might shift those voters away from the Republican party or at least away from the election.

Obviously a small percentage, but if it hurts their chances even a little bit, hey. Take the little victories where you can find 'em.


How the two parties conduct themselves here is also going to have a big impact. Trump walking away from stimulus negotiations, for example, if Democrats can promise economic relief, that can sway enough people.

I'm curious to see if Trump will actually campaign in Georgia or just do his own thing. He's building a PAC which means he obviously wants to campaign... If he does, he might drive is followers to vote in that election.

If he doesn't campaign there I think turnout from Republicans will plummet.

[PACOX]

Not sure if you read my replies here, but it's because if democrats take the Senate, a ton of people stand to gain alot of direct financial assistance. Either in the form of retroactive unemployment, or another stimulus check, or likely both.

I'm arguing that when you put thousands of dollars in front of someone, they tend to forget their loyalties for a moment. And it's something we have to take advantage of.

I've said this in other replies, but our LAST chance to sway the kind of republican that is a trump cultist to our side is direct financial assistance. The kind that instantly goes away when republicans next take power. That is all that is left.

But, we shouldn't even need to sway these people, of course. We're the majority party in this country, republicans have just been holding onto power by the skin of their teeth through cheating the system (gerrymandering, and the undemocratic senate).

I'd rather us focus on fixing the system to actually represent the fact that we are the comfortable majority, versus trying to sway idiotic trump voters, in the long run.

I know what we will get with a Democratic Senate. I just don't think Republicans care or prioritize it otherwise they wouldn't be Republicans. If anything they might want McConnell to handle any sort of stimulus vs Schumer, good ole American tribalism 101.

I was thinking there's a strong indicator that Republicans are ready to give up the seats.

[Felya]

The idea is that Republicans won't get the job done..the job that helps "me" during the time I'm having financial problems because of this covid19 stuff. If they won't help, then I'm forced to turn to those that will; Democrats.

Of course this goes against the idea that red-states vote against their own interests, but...lets make the effort anyway.

If you understand why you are voting democrat, you should be able to understand what people would want from a democrat. It’s actually a very silly question... The reason why Republicans would vote democrat, is the exact same reason I voted democrat. Due to the incompetence and malfeasance of the GOP... Do people think republicans would like it someone purged their voting records? Well, one of the republicans that is up for this run off, did just that... to Americans, just like republicans.

(Just don’t mention those were democrats or minority voting records. Call us Americans...)

[Hinastorm]

I know what we will get with a Democratic Senate. I just don't think Republicans care or prioritize it otherwise they wouldn't be Republicans. If anything they might want McConnell to handle any sort of stimulus vs Schumer, good ole American tribalism 101.

I was thinking there's a strong indicator that Republicans are ready to give up the seats.

If republicans are THAT willing to vote against their best interests, it just reinforces my take that courting them is probably pointless, and we need to stop trying to be centrist clowns.

But in this SPECIFIC instance (the 2 Georgia senate races) I see an opportunity to temporarily sway SOME republicans in what is likely to be a very close race.

[Shadowferal]

It's not about ethics...(a politician? Hmm..)
It's about self-interest.

[Mormolyce]

It is extremely important that Trump be tried for the crimes he committed in office once he leaves it. The precedent that a sitting President cannot be indicted should never have been accepted, but even worse is to create a precedent that even once they leave office, charges are dropped for whatever reason. Unless he is tried and convicted in court, his base will continue to believe he did nothing wrong and gaslight anyone who says otherwise, while moderates will sweep them under the carpet in the name of cooperation.

Even if he doesn't run for office again in 2024 with even more corruption in mind, the next asshole they choose will be emboldened to commit all the crimes he did and more if he faces no consequences for them.

However I have very low confidence in the US system of government and law to hold him accountable for his crimes. This weakness could very well bring the republic down.

[Hinastorm]

It is extremely important that Trump be tried for the crimes he committed in office once he leaves it. The precedent that a sitting President cannot be indicted should never have been accepted, but even worse is to create a precedent that even once they leave office, charges are dropped for whatever reason. Unless he is tried and convicted in court, his base will continue to believe he did nothing wrong and gaslight anyone who says otherwise, while moderates will sweep them under the carpet in the name of cooperation.

Even if he doesn't run for office again in 2024 with even more corruption in mind, the next asshole they choose will be emboldened to commit all the crimes he did and more if he faces no consequences for them.

However I have very low confidence in the US system of government and law to hold him accountable for his crimes. This weakness could very well bring the republic down.

Him being eligible to run again is the PERFECT reason why we all need to keep reminding Joe that prosecuting Trump is a popular, and wise, decision.

[PACOX]

If republicans are THAT willing to vote against their best interests, it just reinforces my take that courting them is probably pointless, and we need to stop trying to be centrist clowns.

But in this SPECIFIC instance (the 2 Georgia senate races) I see an opportunity to temporarily sway SOME republicans in what is likely to be a very close race.

I think it's the Democrats' election to lose, in that Democrats need to just show up. So let's home the November momentum does not run out. Stacy Abrams can get it done, that woman is the champion of voters.

Counting on Dems to not only show up for a non-presidential election but one not one election day makes me nervous. Republicans are going to be out for sure and they are going to pull every voter suppression trick out of their playbook.

[Mormolyce]

Democratic senators are continuing their attacks on AOC.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/aoc-twitt...231526807.html

Title: AOC’s Twitter explodes after posting single photo in response to Senator’s rejection of ‘crazy socialist agenda’

Excerpts:

Senator Mnuchin:



This tweet makes it pretty clear that he views liberals as his main enemy.

We bowed down to Biden. And now, on this board here, and also across the country and in the Senate, Biden supporters are making it clear - thank you very much for your vote, now fuck off.

I no longer care how the two Georgia Senate seats go. McConnell right now is the face of people that hate liberals. If he loses power, it is clear that Senators like Mnuchin will take up his anti-liberal cause.

I expected democrats to stab us in the back. I just did not expect it to happen so soon.

Funniest part of all this is the idea that it's socialist to not fund the police. A government agency.

I mean even by the retarded American "socialism is when the government does stuff" definition, that's ass backwards.

Come to think of it, why don't you pitch "defund the police" as "small government" lol?

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Him being eligible to run again is the PERFECT reason why we all need to keep reminding Joe that prosecuting Trump is a popular, and wise, decision.

If he does face trial he will appeal all the way to the SC and explicitly call on their loyalties to him. He won't even try to hide it.

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The deal was to hold your nose and vote for Biden, not hold your nose and vote Dem indefinitely.

LOL that was always the plan.

You were supposed to hold your nose and vote for Hillary too. When she lost they said "look, see - you ruined it all by not holding your nose enough, now the country is in mortal peril so it's even more important you hold your nose!", then when Biden won it was "never mind that we barely scraped in against what, according to our own logic, should be the weakest opponent imaginable - a man who makes no attempt at all to appeal to the middle. That's somehow your fault again. More nose-holding, that's the ticket!".

Hillary losing proved nose-holding was more important than ever. Biden winning proves nose-holding works. Morton's Fork.

Partisan politics is a two-man con. The only weapon the people have against any political party is willingness to vote against them. They want you so scared of the other side you won't consider that. Then you have to eat whatever shit they decide to feed you.

[kaelleria]

Maricopa Drop

Maricopa county tabulated 4,355 votes tonight.
Biden: 2,187 (50.3%)
Trump: 1,789 (41%)

It looks like Trump will not crack less than 10k vs. Biden.

Maricopa will be count complete tomorrow.

Biden wins AZ by at least 10k... Like I said like 40 pages ago.

CNN just projected it for Biden.

[Zaydin]

Maricopa Drop


Biden wins AZ by at least 10k... Like I said like 40 pages ago.

CNN just projected it for Biden.

So have NBC and the WaPo.

Edit: So has the New York Times.

[Mormolyce]

Him being eligible to run again is the PERFECT reason why we all need to keep reminding Joe that prosecuting Trump is a popular, and wise, decision.

I forsee a 2024 in which Republicans are boiling for revenge, and Democrats are disillusioned by another unproductive 4 years without the Senate.

[Sunseeker]

If he does face trial he will appeal all the way to the SC and explicitly call on their loyalties to him. He won't even try to hide it.

All...two of them? Trump ain't Palpatine executing Order 66 and the Justices certainly aren't clones.

They have their jobs basically forever, they don't need him. And he'd look like a fool(moreso than ususal) to attempt this in court, and the Republicans as a whole would look completely stupid to fall for it because they don't need him either.