Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[passingthrew]

I dunno, but is it just me or did they remove the hair dye and let him go grey? Or is that just the light?

Either way, I'm surprised he's mostly sticking to the script...and there he goes after New York. But still, this is more tame than I thought it'd be.

CNN actually said something about the hair as well.

[Thepersona]

Interesting article about how "weaponized" slogans cost the DNC seats in the House.

The Democrats must seize control of messaging, including reaching out to large organizations to "market" movements.

This.

They have to convey they progressive agenda, without making moderates afraid of a government takeover.

[postman1782]

Oh, so USA is finally making oligarchy explicit?

We have been with Trump, where the fuck have you been? Oh, right, telling the lies you were told to tell.

[PACOX]

Interesting article about how "weaponized" slogans cost the DNC seats in the House.

The Democrats must seize control of messaging, including reaching out to large organizations to "market" movements.

That article is less about weaponized slogans and more about combating GOP slander in general. The GOP will lie and misrepresent anything coming from the Democrats, like calling Biden the 'leader of the radical left' to claiming 'defund the police equals abolish the polish. It's what they do, its politics.

It is not the duty of Democratic candidates to appease Republican interests, it's to combat their lies and mischaraterizations. When Republicans say "they just want want open borders" the rebuttal isn't to walk back immigration plans until Republicans agree on them, it's to call out the Republican lies, state the true of one's platform, then use it to counter the opposition - why it's better than theirs.

The article also doesn't pretty an strong argument, if any, as to why seats were lost. There's plenty of articles that due though.

[Rasulis]

I dunno, but is it just me or did they remove the hair dye and let him go grey? Or is that just the light?

Either way, I'm surprised he's mostly sticking to the script...and there he goes after New York. But still, this is more tame than I thought it'd be.

Considering that Pfizer HQ is in NY, and the vaccine was developed at Pfizer research facility in Pearl River, NY, his comment about withholding the vaccine from NY is rather stupid.

[cubby]

That article is less about weaponized slogans and more about combating GOP slander in general. The GOP will lie and misrepresent anything coming from the Democrats, like calling Biden the 'leader of the radical left' to claiming 'defund the police equals abolish the polish. It's what they do, its politics.

But the Biden stuff didn't work because it fundamentally wasn't true - they were selling that. Whereas the "Defund the Police" sells itself, because it's so easily misinterpret, and is so poorly named, that even people who want to join the cause don't understand what it means.

It is not the duty of Democratic candidates to appease Republican interests, it's to combat their lies and mischaraterizations. When Republicans say "they just want want open borders" the rebuttal isn't to walk back immigration plans until Republicans agree on them, it's to call out the Republican lies, state the true of one's platform, then use it to counter the opposition - why it's better than theirs.

No one is arguing that - even though you think we are. The point is the naming convention for Defund the Police was an epic failure, and could be the cause of several key House seats being lost to the GOP.

[Draco-Onis]

I think its absolutely possible FL goes blue again... but it's going to require Georgia level work for that to happen. Same thing with Texas.

Florida has more insurmountable barriers aside from the age of the population you have the old Cubans who always vote republicans. Florida is simply not worth the investment that's not even going into how the state is controlled by republicans and rigged up to the wazoo.

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All while claiming they ran the most secure election in history.....

I agree with you, it would be funny if it weren't so sad.

To be fair the person who put out that statement has openly said he expects to be fired for not following Trump's directive.

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No one is arguing that - even though you think we are. The point is the naming convention for Defund the Police was an epic failure, and could be the cause of several key House seats being lost to the GOP.

The problems with the Biden campaign and the candidate himself are the reason they lost house seats not some slogan. If it wasn't for grassroot movements in Arizona and Georgia democrats would have lost those states, the DNC has always been awful at these types of things. Now that Biden has won they are going to do what they always do forget about those people and get slaughtered in two years.

[Kathranis]

Considering that Pfizer HQ is in NY, and the vaccine was developed at Pfizer research facility in Pearl River, NY, his comment about withholding the vaccine from NY is rather stupid.

It's also stupid because he's not even going to be in office by the time they're ready to distribute it to the public.

IIRC they have 100k doses ready but people need to take a double dose so that's only enough for 50k vaccinations in the next month or two, and that's mainly if not entirely going to front line health workers (as it should).

[Redwyrm]

What's sad but not surprising is that Trump can't even deliver news of a vaccine without being a petty dick about it.

[cubby]

The problems with the Biden campaign and the candidate himself are the reason they lost house seats not some slogan. If it wasn't for grassroot movements in Arizona and Georgia democrats would have lost those states, the DNC has always been awful at these types of things. Now that Biden has won they are going to do what they always do forget about those people and get slaughtered in two years.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. ActBlue is brilliant in modernizing grass roots, and Obama rewrote the book on this during his campaign. Plus, in your statement above, you point two states where DNC grassroots organization kicked ass.

Now, will the DNC learn form their mistakes. We'll have to see.

[PACOX]

But the Biden stuff didn't work because it fundamentally wasn't true - they were selling that. Whereas the "Defund the Police" sells itself, because it's so easily misinterpret, and is so poorly named, that even people who want to join the cause don't understand what it means.




No one is arguing that - even though you think we are. The point is the naming convention for Defund the Police was an epic failure, and could be the cause of several key House seats being lost to the GOP.

Cool. So when do we get to the part where 'defund the police' is why seats were lost? Instead of a number tactical errors like the article suggests?

You cant learn from mistakes until you stop looking for excuses.

[Antiganon]

Cool. So when do we get to the part where 'defund the police' is why seats were lost? Instead of a number tactical errors like the article suggests?

Letting moderates in swing districts get stuck with Defund the Police was a pretty big tactical error, no?

Almost like they should have known it would happen and had a more positive sounding message for those candidates to rally to instead.

[PACOX]

Letting moderates in swing districts get stuck with Defund the Police was a pretty big tactical error, no?

Almost like they should have known it would happen and had a more positive sounding message for those candidates to rally to instead.

The very article were talking about had a moderate who dumped 'defund the police' and still got his ass whooped in his campaign. It's like there's bigger issues with moderates besides something they had nearly 6 months to embrace, counter, or distance themselves from.

No one owes those candidates anything or should be their saviors if the candidate can't stick up to basic GOP disinformation.

[cubby]

Cool. So when do we get to the part where 'defund the police' is why seats were lost? Instead of a number tactical errors like the article suggests?

You cant learn from mistakes until you stop looking for excuses.

We already got there, well, everyone but you, apparently.

1. tactical errors were made in getting House
2. one of those MAJOR errors was sticking moderates with "Defund the Police"
3. those and other errors caused the losses we are seeing in the 2020 House election

It's amazing you are so stubbornly attached to the idea that you can't be wrong.

[Felya]

Cool. So when do we get to the part where 'defund the police' is why seats were lost? Instead of a number tactical errors like the article suggests?

You cant learn from mistakes until you stop looking for excuses.

Why didn’t people trust the GOP, when they campaigned on democrats supporting ‘defund the police’?

[cubby]

The very article were talking about had a moderate who dumped 'defund the police' and still got his ass whooped in his campaign. It's like there's bigger issues with moderates besides something they had nearly 6 months to embrace, counter, or distance themselves from.

But he was still hammered with it, because of the poor naming convention. THAT's the point.

[Felya]

But he was still hammered with it, because of the poor naming convention. THAT's the point.

Was the... If democrats come up with a better slogan doesn’t mater, because republicans will still campaign on democrats supporting defund the police... been brought up recently? Because I am anxious to ask why republicans would run on democrats supporting it, even if there was a better slogan.

[PACOX]

But he was still hammered with it, because of the poor naming convention. THAT's the point.

So? Politicians will always twist what their opponent does and doesn't say. It doesn't matter. An effective candidate handles it.

Theres plenty of candidates far more problematic attacks than "omg he said 'defund the police'" while securing their elections.

The candidates who lost their seats lost because there were shit candidates unable to secure their 'guaranteed' votes.

People have been growing cold towards moderates prior to 2020. Moderates looking for a scapegoat instead a mirror isn't going to slow that decline. Hell moderates in either party aren't looking too hot.

[Katchii]

To be fair the person who put out that statement has openly said he expects to be fired for not following Trump's directive.

What statement and who are you talking about?

I'm referring to a Trump tweet...so unless someone else is posting on his behalf...?

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...79929319432200

[Breccia]

That's Trump, always breaking records.

Trump lost five different court cases in Pennsylvania today.

I am just going to say, without evidence, that this is a record, and nobody has lost five out of five court cases in Pennsylvania in one day before. Trump supporters will be forced to accept this, because they accept any information Trump gives even when there's no evidence or when it's clearly false. Therefore, they must accept this too.