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    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    You have only one error in your thought though. Russia is not tankie land anymore. Its a corrupt, capitalistic Oligarchy.
    Very True, but this hypocrisy is willfully ignored by Tankies.

    It's a big reveal into the philosophical underpinnings of Tankies. It's important to note the hierarchy of their beliefs.
    1. Authoritarianism - Tankies want to be in charge more than anything else. They admire other strongmen. Because they fantasize about becoming that strongman.
    2. Anti-US/West - They're obsessed about litigating all of the crimes of the west. The sentence for all crimes in tankies land, is guillotines or burning it all down". The biggest crime the west has ever committed is; not letting Tankies be in charge. See Item 1. So they will align with any other other anti-west person or group. Even if they're oligarchs.
    3. Socialism - Socialism is last, because it's subservient to the first two items. It's just intellectual cover to win over naive followers. Controlling the means of production will always be corrupted to exalt the great leader. Or settle their grievances.


    This is why any serious Left movement needs to vigilant about separating itself from the Tankies. It now looks like an impossible lesson to learn.


    This is why I was so harsh on Sanders in the primary thread. He kept boosting these guys to win points on twitter and youtube. Now they're turning on Sanders. This was predictable, myself and a few others took a lot of shit for pointing this out months ago.



    So ya, working on behalf of the worst oligarchs seems to be no problem for Tankies. They get to pwn the libs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    This is a 2020 primary thread, I'd hope you of all poster could keep a thread for going down the Nazi path. Your sanctimonious rants doesn't change reality that leaders are responsible for wars.
    The relevance to the current election, and this is a sub-thread you kicked off, is the idea that voters standing by and allowing egregious things to continue to occur, and not wielding the strength of their vote to oppose it, are in part responsible for the continuation of those things. Their refusal to vote is a tacit agreement with those things. Not to the point of willing support, but they don't care to oppose them, either.

    But kudos for trying to blame me for responding to your own sub-topic, as if I'm the one acting in bad faith, here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    She went to the people in charge of Timesup a group put together to help with such things back in January and began speaking out about it last April and was attacked for it at the time.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/...etoo-times-up/
    Alright fair enough, than again considering how the US system works and how there are only two candidates. Which of them would be more likely to actually do something about women issues?

    You might find this an unfair question or even comparison and it would, than again it wouldn't be less fair than the current question of who to vote for in the upcoming US election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    To actually do something about it, or to posture and pretend they're doing something about it?

    It's pretty common nowadays for upper class criminals to run charities and grand stand about the donations they make to good causes, only to hide their crimes.

    So I think the real answer to your questions is: We wouldn't be able to know.
    I would argue that even making merely gestures and promises sends a signal of certain behaviour not being okay is an improvement over today's White House stance on the matter.

    I am speaking of the best choice out of two bad ones. So arguing for a great choice is pointless in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Trump isn't Hitler, you and others lose all credibility when you imply any similarities. It's disturbing but not at all surprising as the Right and GOP make similar outlandish claims of Obama.
    I didn't.

    You're continuing your bad-faith misrepresentation of my posts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    To actually do something about it, or to posture and pretend they're doing something about it?

    It's pretty common nowadays for upper class criminals to run charities and grand stand about the donations they make to good causes, only to be able to hide their crimes better behind optics.

    So I think the real answer to your questions is: We wouldn't be able to know.
    Providing aid for persecuting is not a bribe... it’s not money to make them stop investigating, it’s to explicitly investigate. You are suggesting women will take this money, pay for lawyers and then do nothing? Absurd...

    FYI: What you are doing, is showing that the right way to treat assault accusations, is to call victims liars, ugly, sluts that are after your money and no one will care. You are teaching people, that not saying your accuser is a liar, not trying to insert motive, but provide not only access, but funding for persecution, needs punishment. In one of those you will be forced to resign, in the other you are elected president twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I didn't.

    You're continuing your bad-faith misrepresentation of my posts.
    It seems like the new "Nuh-Uh" rebuttal to win an argument is " you are operating in bad-faith". Shit makes me laugh every time.
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    I don't know what you are watching, but it isn't fucking reality.
    Hes talking about me saying Joe Biden has dementia. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Every single form of aid coming from the Democratic Party seems to come with a small print stating:

    "As long as you don't try to investigate anyone in our preferred elite."
    Evidence, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehct View Post
    It seems like the new "Nuh-Uh" rebuttal to win an argument is " you are operating in bad-faith". Shit makes me laugh every time.
    Only to simpletons.

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    Interesting response from Trump on the alleged sexual assault claim against Biden...........

    ..https://www.foxnews.com/media/presid...ions-joe-biden

    President Trump said Friday that he hopes allegations of sexual misconduct against 2020 Democratic presidential candidate and presumptive nominee Joe Biden are false "for his sake."

    In a phone interview on "Fox & Friends" with host Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade and Ainsley Earhardt, the president said that he had gotten to "see a piece" of former Senate staffer Tara Reade's interview with Megyn Kelly Thursday night and came to the conclusion that the former vice president has "got to fight that battle."


    "I've had battles too where I've had false accusations many times," he pointed out. "I think you understand that."

    "We had one recently — a woman in Florida made an accusation and it was one time. It was on a camera and the judge is furious," he remarked. "It went to court because I'm not going to ... they made a false accusation."

    "It went to court and proved my case 100 percent. I got lucky," he told the "Friends" hosts. "Somebody was taping a meeting."

    "Are you saying [that] what [Tara Reade is] saying is false?" asked Earhardt.

    "I don't know if it's false or not," he replied.

    "I mean, Joe is going to have to be able to prove whatever he has to prove or she has to prove it, but that's a battle he has to fight," Trump stated.

    "I've had many false accusations made. I can tell you that, many. And, maybe it is a false accusation," he added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Only to simpletons.
    lol. Whatever makes you get off bro. good for you.

    Oops.. I mean.. You are operating in bad-faith thinking that only simpletons think that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Yes, I think a company should be legally allowed to refuse to serve black people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    I don't know what you are watching, but it isn't fucking reality.
    Hes talking about me saying Joe Biden has dementia. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Interesting response from Trump on the alleged sexual assault claim against Biden...........

    ..https://www.foxnews.com/media/presid...ions-joe-biden

    President Trump said Friday that he hopes allegations of sexual misconduct against 2020 Democratic presidential candidate and presumptive nominee Joe Biden are false "for his sake."

    In a phone interview on "Fox & Friends" with host Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade and Ainsley Earhardt, the president said that he had gotten to "see a piece" of former Senate staffer Tara Reade's interview with Megyn Kelly Thursday night and came to the conclusion that the former vice president has "got to fight that battle."
    Yeah, Trump is all for sexual assault, we know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Every single form of aid coming from the Democratic Party seems to come with a small print stating:

    "As long as you don't try to investigate anyone in our preferred elite."
    Bullshit... this aid has been going since 1993, when Biden sponsored it. GOP took to Supreme Court to block it in 2000 and defunded it in 2019. Take your defending of rapists stealing money from victims, somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    "We had one recently — a woman in Florida made an accusation and it was one time. It was on a camera and the judge is furious," he remarked. "It went to court because I'm not going to ... they made a false accusation."
    Biden is welcoming the investigation and said to release senate records. Notice the difference with Trump? He is accusing Reade of more than Biden did and seems to forget the name of his accuser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    If something is relevant there has to be similarities. That was you and others who seem to want to imply, not only voting for Trump, but failing to vote for your preferred candidate to share part of the blame. You wanna feel better about yourself by illogically blaming those who are invested and researched voters be my guest., I however, won't be silenced or shammed into supporting a terrible candidate with a history of being on the wrong side of a lot of US policy. I refuse to support elected officials who proven over decades they shouldn't be trusted.
    Obviously, your goal is to silence and shame others for voting Biden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Not at all. I wouldn't dream of it.
    That really seems like the reason why you are attacking Ednus. You are asserting what he meant, which in retrospect to you calling people voting Biden, assault supporters... seems a lot like projecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Providing aid for persecuting is not a bribe... it’s not money to make them stop investigating, it’s to explicitly investigate. You are suggesting women will take this money, pay for lawyers and then do nothing? Absurd...

    FYI: What you are doing, is showing that the right way to treat assault accusations, is to call victims liars, ugly, sluts that are after your money and no one will care. You are teaching people, that not saying your accuser is a liar, not trying to insert motive, but provide not only access, but funding for persecution, needs punishment. In one of those you will be forced to resign, in the other you are elected president twice.
    Now i wouldn't go so far as saying that is want he desires but indeed i find that people like @Rochana are idealists that only want things to happen when all specific boxes of their values are checked, if they are not progress be damned. What i find a bit absurd as no change ever came under such conditions, it was all very messy and muddied.

    I can understand such idealism but in reality it does nothing to improve the situation for anyone, they are after all their own worst enemy if they aren't able to compromise for progress. Because if we make such idealism an condition and start applying it to past changes we wouldn't even have voting rights for women at this point to name one thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Now i wouldn't go so far as saying that is want he desires but indeed i find that people like @Rochana are idealists that only want things to happen when all specific boxes of their values are checked, if they are not progress be damned. What i find a bit absurd as no change ever came under such conditions, it was all very messy and muddied.

    I can understand such idealism but in reality it does nothing to improve the situation for anyone, they are after all their own worst enemy if they aren't able to compromise for progress. Because if we make such idealism an condition and start applying it to past changes we wouldn't even have voting rights for women at this point to name one thing.
    Obviously he doesn’t, just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

    He is not an idealist, he is an alt right Trump supporter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    My man, what?

    I was obviously alluding to the fact that a person isn't going to do a full background check on their entire legal counsel. I could have easily said, "the first-year intern once donated money to Sarah Palin". The thought still stands.

    If I hire Saul Goodman, even if I run a Level 5 background check, I'm not doing that for every little paralegal he might bring to assist him.

    It is a reach to assert something about a client just because one time many moons ago someone in the legal office might have sent Rick Santorum $50.
    As I said, intelligent people want to know what they are spending money on and are gonna check. These aren't paralegals. nobody is gonna check their mmo-c. Your argument is terrible, and just take the L here bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Sort of a cooking pot meets Kettle moment.
    No, because assuming, instead of addressing issues, is sort of the calling card of Trump supporters and alt right. How many times have you called people saying they will vote Biden, some sort of derivative of supporting assault?

    Oh and for general reference... trying to silence through shame, is a form of browbeating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Obviously he doesn’t, just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

    He is not an idealist, he is an alt right Trump supporter.
    Oh, well that would make more sense so all this is simply a facade.
    Such a display of cowardice that you can't even come forward about your own political believes. Well no trumpkin has any ground to claim anything on when it comes to women rights.

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