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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    I swear it feels like Trump supporters are in deeper shock/denial than we were four years ago.
    By virtue of being Trump supporters they have to be.

    Trump objectively failed in almost everything he tried. And some people are proving they would literally rather die than admit they were wrong. No really, literally, anti-maskers.

    I've said routinely that it is difficult to be a Trump supporter without being a hypocrite. I gave people dozens of chances to say "I like Trump, but he was wrong this time" and got over 99.9% "I choose not to answer and admit I'm a coward" responses. But now, we're seeing how bad it is, because not only must they deny the reality that Trump objectively failed at nearly everything, they don't even believe numbers exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passingthrew View Post
    I was sad and concerned four years ago but I accepted that he won. I even made a facebook post stating my concerns and saying I hoped I was wrong and maybe Trump really will be a good "business" man and help the country. We see how that turned out.

    This is way worse. This is flat out denial of reality.
    I accepted that he legally won.

    I did say "Not my president" but that was more to reject the idea that he represented me, and not to claim he didn't win through legal manners. And yes, there was the Russian interference, but despite the fake news and propaganda from Russia, Americans still made the decision to elect him and he won through our legal framework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PresidentElectMilchschake View Post
    Honey, as a progressive I wouldn't be boosting Waleed. His edited videos attacking Kamala and Dianne Feinstein were borderline racist. He has a sad history of being a creep.

    AOC's association with him will likely sink any senate run she plans in NY.
    Begs yhe question, why associate with him?

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    If you disagree with me and AOC, maybe you will agree with moderate Doug Jones and MSNBC analyst Jason Johnson:

    https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/s...17321385566209

    @dougjones and @aoc are correct. Its time for the Democrats to focus more on strategy than personality & stop attacking progressive voters that won Biden the White House

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    I accepted that he legally won.

    I did say "Not my president" but that was more to reject the idea that he represented me, and not to claim he didn't win through legal manners. And yes, there was the Russian interference, but despite the fake news and propaganda from Russia, Americans still made the decision to elect him and he won through our legal framework.
    It was fair to say not my president. He made it clear over four years that he only cared about half the country, if that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Begs yhe question, why associate with him?
    Because the ends justify the means for our modern progressive wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    If you disagree with me and AOC, maybe you will agree with moderate Doug Jones and MSNBC analyst Jason Johnson:

    https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/s...17321385566209
    Holy shit, this was never what the argument was.

    The argument presented by AOC, Common Dreams, Justice Dems, DSA, etc... was that our policy is the winning message, which they did through very cherry picked data of people in safe districts winning.

    No one is arguing that we need to work on our messaging and outreach. We're arguing about the onesize fits all approach to policy the modern progressive wing of the party wants to push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Georgia's doing a hand recount for the Presidential election results, so expect that to drag out for a while.
    sad part is GA does not even matter at this point
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    Because the ends justify the means for our modern progressive wing.

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    Holy shit, this was never what the argument was.

    The argument presented by AOC, Common Dreams, Justice Dems, DSA, etc... was that our policy is the winning message, which they did through very cherry picked data of people in safe districts winning.

    No one is arguing that we need to work on our messaging and outreach. We're arguing about the onesize fits all approach to policy the modern progressive wing of the party wants to push.
    So are you saying you disagree with Jason Johnson when he said AOC is right? Do you think Democrats should be shooting at the progressive wing of the party like Jason Johnson said they shouldn't be doing? Do you disagree with him agreeing with AOC that progressive turnout is what won Biden the election in key states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Georgia's doing a hand recount for the Presidential election results, so expect that to drag out for a while.
    Why the fuck do people give in to the whims of that orange turd? Was there evidence of massive voter fraud? No? Then fuck him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Why the fuck do people give in to the whims of that orange turd?
    It might be automatic. The race is close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrenheit View Post
    I mean, he almost has a point with the first part, minus any illegality to the poll. I want to know how a quality polling outfit the WaPo had a 16 point difference (+17 Biden, to +1 Biden in actuality) in a state just days before the election. Were like 40% of Trump supporters like flat out lying?
    His own supporters say they were the ones suppressing the polls by either not responding or lying to pollsters.
    They said this was their big strat to get democrats not to come to the polls.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Why the fuck do people give in to the whims of that orange turd? Was there evidence of massive voter fraud? No? Then fuck him.
    It's within .5%. Any candidate has a legal right to a recount in most states when the difference is that close. I think most states trigger automatic recounts around .2%. Plus this is a hand recount audit not a full recount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    Also, the vast majority of Republican attack ads against moderates who lost mentioned their support for Nancy Pelosi. In many of them Republicans never even mentioned anything about progressives, just Pelosi.
    The GOP attacks Pelosi because she's good at her job. Its nothing to her being a moderate or a progressive. Seriously, they called Harris a socialist. They're going to attack well-known Dems with every lie in the book.

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    Charlie Kirk is wondering why Joe Biden declared victory on this day, a "monday" when they've announced a recount in GA.

    I am wondering why Charlie Kirk's face is so much smaller than his head.

    Like GA even matters at this point. If by some miracle Trump wins GA because of this recount, Biden is STILL PAST 270.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    I too can cherry pick data.

    0 Justice dems flipped a seat in 2018. 0 Justice Dems flipped a seat in 2020.

    Please get me a list of her 6 swing district democrats and I'll provide you the context behind their wins.
    Here's an idea, maybe different districts and different states have electorates with different concerns that call for different campaign strategies.

    Maybe instead of denouncing allies in your own party you should get together and start forming a comprehensive strategy for 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It might be automatic. The race is close.
    I thought GA didnt have an automatic recoununt but one could be requested by either campaign if the race was close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Again, super happy it doesn’t come down to one of these states. Win or lose Georgia, it’s just icing on the cake.
    Just so long as it is monitored so they don't try and give Trump votes that aren't his.
    Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
    "mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
    to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Here's an idea, maybe different districts and different states have electorates with different concerns that call for different campaign strategies.

    Maybe instead of denouncing allies in your own party you should get together and start forming a comprehensive strategy for 2022.
    I agree. 100%. Please view the post I was quoting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flower Milk View Post
    So are you saying you disagree with Jason Johnson when he said AOC is right? Do you think Democrats should be shooting at the progressive wing of the party like Jason Johnson said they shouldn't be doing? Do you disagree with him agreeing with AOC that progressive turnout is what won Biden the election in key states?
    I have a quick question... If exit polling is showing 70% support for progressive issues... what if the vast majority of that comes from NY and California? Do you have a set of statistics, of what support for those issues actually is, in states or districts that do not have overwhelming democrat support?

    Maybe it isn’t that quick... lol
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