Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Acidbaron]

Nobody is just going to outright say "yes, I am alt-right" are they?

Whether they are or not.

Considering the reputation and name they made for themselves very few people would. Most rather declare themselves as conservative, nationalist or even Christian democrat.

I would say that someone don't even consider themselves as such, while they are supportive of their ideologies and policies they don't consider themselves part of them.

[PACOX]

omg. I already said nobody is talking about their paralegals, or office managers. We are talking about the lawyers themselves. Your argument is just so bad.

I said paralegal one time. Once. Let me meet this strawman you are talking to.

[beanman12345]

I said paralegal one time. Once. Let me meet this strawman you are talking to.

Get back to me when your argument isn't complete shit.

[Felya]

Vietmely denying an allegation someone has made about them is the same as calling someone a liar.

No, he explicitly stated he didn’t know why she said it, he only knows that he didn’t do it. When two stories don’t match, it’s not always because of lying.

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You being dishonest about a phrase that was used isn't helping your image of being an honest actor here.

Want to do this again?

You were correct, You were speaking about someone else I apoligize

Let’s roll... what phrase am I being dishonest about now?

And what fucking image? I have a laughing cow avatar and post stupid YouTube videos. Your opinion of me is far more exaggerated than it should be and a lot more exaggerated than I intend. It’s flattering, but when people tell me I act to impress, while I think I’m acting like a dumb ass... it’s not really my problem. About an hour ago, I had a meeting, where I was trying to impress and I swear to what ever, it sounded nothing like I post here.

[No Kings Voter]

Kind of a shame that she turned out to be a Russian Asset. I would've been okay with a President with a rockin' bod that can totally pull off a wet suit.

Ya she was a super weirdo. Kinda like the Booth Bunny for Joe Rogan fans.

I do appreciate her propping up the economy of Stehekin, WA. For people that dont know, it's a super isolated place that's only accessible by a 4 hour ferry. Or a 30 mile hike over Cascade Pass.

Why We Sent A Reporter To The Washington Woods To Find Tulsi Gabbard’s Consultant

[Felya]

in response too.

Seems pretty dishonest to me.

Is it now? Can I now apply his stances to you as well, so we can discuss the merit and intent of what I said? Because I need you to sign off on that, so you don’t comeback saying a I’m putting words in your mouth, for applying his rational to you. Deal?

Just remember, he knew better than defend it.

[Felya]

Yes it was, but you're free to do what you want. Many people here put words into my mouth, and all I can say is that their wrong.

That’s fantastic... so I can say that my slay comment was specifically in reference to your shared position that America should burn if Biden is the nominee and that anyone voting Biden, is supporting assault? You will take on his burden?

One might call it... taste of your own medicine?

Just like many people can claim that if I choose not to vote for either Biden or Trump that I am helping Trump win, but the reality is a whole different matter.

No, that is the reality, your intent is a different matter. When Peter Parker saw a thief and did nothing, he didn’t intend for his uncle Ben to be killed.

[Endus]

No, that is the reality, your intent is a different matter. When Peter Parker saw a thief and did nothing, he didn’t intend for his uncle Ben to be killed.

And that's kind of the point.

If your intent doesn't line up with the reality of the outcome, change your activity so it lines up with your intent. If you don't want a Trump Presidency in 2020-2024, then vote for someone other than Trump. And right now, that means Biden, the way things are going. If you're wielding your vote to effect change, and failing to have enough support among your fellow citizens to get there, that's one thing. Just not bothering? You're passively allowing whatever outcome happens, to happen. You made no effort to prevent it. And thus, you don't really have much grounds for bitching about it. Should've voted, and made your intent known.

[Felya]

And that's kind of the point.

Especially when he hopes Biden beats Trump...

[beanman12345]

And that's kind of the point.

If your intent doesn't line up with the reality of the outcome, change your activity so it lines up with your intent. If you don't want a Trump Presidency in 2020-2024, then vote for someone other than Trump. And right now, that means Biden, the way things are going. If you're wielding your vote to effect change, and failing to have enough support among your fellow citizens to get there, that's one thing. Just not bothering? You're passively allowing whatever outcome happens, to happen. You made no effort to prevent it. And thus, you don't really have much grounds for bitching about it. Should've voted, and made your intent known.

That requires basic logic. We can't have any of that here!

[Sunseeker]

Random question: if we were to magically replace Biden with Gavin Newsom or Andrew Cuomo, do you think that would be an improvment?

Because honestly the dignity and firmness that Newsom shows and the straight-talk of Cuomo have really impressed me. I mean I don't really want to elect another New Yorker (deal with it New Yorkers), but both of these men have been far more presidential in the last 3 months than Trump has in 3 years.

[Edge-]

Random question: if we were to magically replace Biden with Gavin Newsom or Andrew Cuomo, do you think that would be an improvment?

An improvement? Yes, personally. At least with Newsom, I know far less about Cuomo.

But like hell will a CA governor get elected right now. Newsom sure ain't Reagan.

[Felya]

Random question: if we were to magically replace Biden with Gavin Newsom or Andrew Cuomo, do you think that would be an improvment?

Because honestly the dignity and firmness that Newsom shows and the straight-talk of Cuomo have really impressed me. I mean I don't really want to elect another New Yorker (deal with it New Yorkers), but both of these men have been far more presidential in the last 3 months than Trump has in 3 years.

I’m like the only person who has been saying Cuomo for a couple of years now. So, yes... I would prefer Cuomo. Know little about Newsome, but I would prefer him as well. But... regardless... I’m voting against Trump.

That requires basic logic. We can't have any of that here!

It’s a local shop for local people, there is nothing for you here...

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Random question: if we were to magically replace Biden with Gavin Newsom or Andrew Cuomo, do you think that would be an improvment?

Because honestly the dignity and firmness that Newsom shows and the straight-talk of Cuomo have really impressed me. I mean I don't really want to elect another New Yorker (deal with it New Yorkers), but both of these men have been far more presidential in the last 3 months than Trump has in 3 years.

As a NYer, I would prefer Cuomo only because of how well he's handled this pandemic. Otherwise, eh, I dunno. He doesn't exactly have much rep with other states.

[Endus]

Do you not believe there is merit in -currently- taking on a stance that might encourage the Democratic Party candidate to try and take on more progressive policies.

Threatening to not vote for him and letting Trump win in 2020 isn't such a stance. It flatly is not.

That's a stance that A> has a solid place in the primary race, and B> means you should be getting involved in campaigning, yourself. Have you been going to town halls and trying to communicate with your local members? Have you been involving yourself in campaign runs to help boost candidates you support? I've done all that, myself. Not every election, by any means, but when I felt it was warranted, sure.

If you're not, then you're not actually making any effort to encourage more-progressive policy making. You're just sitting and hoping others will do it for you.

It is not November yet. The progressive movement should not surrender too early.

You don't speak for "the progressive movement". You speak for yourself. And voting for the candidate most likely to legislate in the more-progressive manner is not "surrender".

[Felya]

Again you're wrong.

When presented with such a compelling argument, how can one disagree...

[Grimbold21]

There the problem, my intent is to not support the people who've passed policies for decades that lead to Trump. If I voted for Biden and expected a different outcome that'd be silly.

I don't understand this seemingly circular logic.

First, you'd have quite of a time in listing all the policies from all the presidents that clearly demonstrate a connection to putting someone like Trump in the WH.

As to your logic, you don't want to vote for Biden cause he represents that which you think put Trump in the WH. But Trump is in the WH right now and not voting for his direct opponent means that he will remain in the WH, something which you are apparently agaisnt.

This is some Nero like stuff. You're displeased with the status quo and you're willing to set the whole thing on fire and watch it burn to the ground, so you can come later and rebuild, except there won't be anyone or anything there to rebuilt from.

You're willingly participating in the process of holding back your country for 4 more years, why? Because you're the spoiled kid in the yard who isn't getting his way and decides to scream and pout until everyone else concedes?

[Felya]

I only did exactly what I said I would do,

Didn’t do it though... I even asked you if your defending of him, will take on the burden of justifying it... wtf? You don’t get to call me out, on else’s behalf, than complain that their argument is applied to yours. It’s why I asked... the exact and predictable argument you are now posing.

[Sunseeker]

An improvement? Yes, personally. At least with Newsom, I know far less about Cuomo.

But like hell will a CA governor get elected right now. Newsom sure ain't Reagan.

Yeah ain't that the truth. As an ex-Californian I don't really know much about him either. He seems to have governed....in a manner that is neither spectacularly good nor terrible, which honestly, "just plain over governance" is like, a fucking godsend in comparison.

As a NYer, I would prefer Cuomo only because of how well he's handled this pandemic. Otherwise, eh, I dunno. He doesn't exactly have much rep with other states.

Yeah I mean honestly from an not-NY perspective, I always felt like Cuomo wasn't well liked. But he certainly seems to have stepped up for the pandemic. And in a lot of ways, that's all being President is: being willing to step up and lead, except you're doing it all the time. Sure a governership is similar, but not to the same degree.

I’m like the only person who has been saying Cuomo for a couple of years now. So, yes... I would prefer Cuomo. Know little about Newsome, but I would prefer him as well. But... regardless... I’m voting against Trump.

As unfortunate as it is, it's at least something to think about for 2024 or 2028, depending on if Biden gets elected, and how well he handles things, or randomly drops dead. Didn't he say he only wanted to do this for a single term? Was that hearsay?

[Edge-]

Yeah ain't that the truth. As an ex-Californian I don't really know much about him either. He seems to have governed....in a manner that is neither spectacularly good nor terrible, which honestly, "just plain over governance" is like, a fucking godsend in comparison.

He's done just fine for the most part. Very much a product of SF, but also very practical and pragmatic. He has lofty ideals and goals, and can understand the need to compromise to achieve them, or when they are unachievable. Not perfect by any means, but after the mediocre Schwarzenegger tenure we've had two largely solid Democratic governors.