Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Benggaul]

Understood, just seemed weird that it would flip that much.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/elect...ama-story.html

Several other counties found memory cards with votes that hadn’t been uploaded and counted prior to the audit.

Going into the hand tally, Biden led Trump by a margin of about 14,000 votes. The previously uncounted ballots discovered during the hand count will reduce that margin to about 12,800, Sterling said.

Looks like a difference of about 1,200, not 1,800, but maybe beanman has a different/better source. And it also does look like they were ballots not counted in the initial count. So not really normal for a recount.

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I think it was actually closer to 1200 than 1800. That's still much larger than is good, but nowhere near enough to change the results.

Yup, see above.

[beanman12345]

At least 800 of that is due to that one stash of 2600 ballots they found. I think I read that there was another, smaller incident but honestly I've been reading so much shit going on the past two weeks I can't remember it clearly.

yeah there were 4 counties altogether that didn't have ballots counted due to human error.

[Breccia]

GA recount is over. Biden won. Trump slimmed the margin by like 1800 votes. Certification incoming in the next few days.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...f-hand-recount

[Kaleredar]

It really will all depend on the cons Trump runs after leaving the white house and his possible 2024 run for president again, this is not over by any means. That's why Biden wanting to "move on" and not holding Trump accountable is bad for the long run Trump needs to face consequences go for the kill instead of letting him walk away he is far too dangerous left free.

The world we live in now we have half the country living in an alternate version of reality considering how good republicans are at white washing their own history I would not so readily discount it.

I've heard Biden say nothing of pardoning or dismissing anything Trump has done. Plenty of other legal bodies are waiting for Trump to exit the white house.

Well knowing Trump he would want his to be the biggest and most expensive considering his inability to get anything built it would be just a scheme for him to steal money from suckers I mean donors which is very apropos monument to his presidency.

Precisely. He'll promise the bigliest, most beautiful library anyone ever saw, go on a "fundraiser" to get funds for it, fleece money from his supporters, then vastly-under deliver on some poorly constructed eyesore and pocket the rest of the funds.

[beanman12345]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/elect...ama-story.html



Looks like a difference of about 1,200, not 1,800, but maybe beanman has a different/better source. And it also does look like they were ballots not counted in the initial count. So not really normal for a recount.

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Yup, see above.

nope my source was my own terrible math. 1200 might be right.

[Breccia]

yeah there were 4 counties altogether that didn't have ballots counted due to human error.

Or, if you're a Trump supporter, "intentional Soros Venezuela fraud"

[beanman12345]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...f-hand-recount

ok maybe my math isn't so bad.

[Ausr]

Miiiight wanna check a few pages back. You were beaten to it by several hours.

Mother trucker...

I always get beat to the good stuff.

[Eviscero]

Understood, just seemed weird that it would flip that much.

Clownie clerks fucked up and misplaced a couple thousand votes that hadn't been counted. 3/4 from republican counties... go figure.

[passingthrew]

Or, if you're a Trump supporter, "intentional Soros Venezuela fraud"

I got to say its got a ring to it. I picture someone hitting a red button and "intentional Soros Venezuela fraud" starts flashing on the screen. You could really use it for anything.

[beanman12345]

Understood, just seemed weird that it would flip that much.

I'm watching CNN 1800 might seem like a lot, but because of the margins, it matches up basically right on the middle margin avg of what could have flipped. So it's nothing eye brow raising I guess.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Golly how did Trump win in 2016 with all of this corruption going on.

And, I guess republicans are concerned about foreign interference in our elections now? Guess you should have passed that election security bill.

He won despite it libtard/s.

[Breccia]

I got to say its got a ring to it. I picture someone hitting a red button and "intentional Soros Venezuela fraud" starts flashing on the screen. You could really use it for anything.

On topic:

Clock running out on Trump as states move to finalize vote counts

Georgia is no longer important but...

Certification deadlines are fast approaching in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Arizona, even as the Trump campaign makes sweeping claims about criminal activity that they’ve failed to substantiate in court.

A recount will get underway in two Democratic counties in Wisconsin on Friday, although Biden’s lead of about 20,000 votes appears safe.

The Trump legal team has been collecting sworn affidavits from some Republican poll workers claiming they weren’t allowed to properly oversee vote counts or describing what they viewed as irregularities at the polls.

They do not have evidence that votes were changed, but appear to be arguing that millions of ballots from Democratic areas should be thrown out because they were not properly supervised or because the Trump team believes local laws were insufficient in monitoring fraud.

In the case of Michigan, this would involve disenfranchising the votes of predominantly Black Americans.

The most shocking unsubstantiated allegations came from bla bla bla that's the Sen. Ernst thing I just cited

Trump seems to have this strange thing with deadlines. On one tiny hand, he wants to run out the clock so that he can just be declared the winner without facts or votes. On the other tiny hand, his own actions also have deadlines. If he, for example, files suit against Michigan the day before the votes are due, he'll be accused of waiting too long and the case will be summarily dismissed.

[Grapemask]

Georgia confirmed a Biden win.

Feels weird to not be disappointed in my state. I'm sure January will fix that, but whew. Fuck you Donald Trump.

[Endus]

I'm confused then. Aren't they a publisher? if so what exactly is the point of section 230?

The easiest way to understand what Section 230 is about is to change the hypothetical issue from a civil violation that's hard to prove (slander/libel) to a criminal charge that's dead simple to prove (child pornography, say).

What Section 230 means is that if some fucko posts child porn on their public wall on Facebook, and Facebook's mods go "oh fuck no" and remove the content, ban the user, and inform the authorities, Facebook can't be charged with publishing child pornography. The user did that. Facebook gave no approval to that content. That's all Section 230 really covers.

That's why it's a basic requirement for user-based systems like social media and reddit and these forums here; you can't guarantee a user won't post something HUGELY illegal, and no site is going to take on that liability unless they're using a "only approved posts get published" approach, which obviously isn't workable. Imagine these forums if moderators had to manually approve every single post. They'd grind to a halt. It's only worse with bigger media groups.

230 doesn't really apply to media companies like OANN because they're not publishing user content in the first place; they're protected by entirely different legislation which gives really broad leeways to media companies regarding their freedom of speech (also why the National Enquirer can post all the horseshit speculation and gossip they publish, for instance). As long as you frame is as "I heard X", you don't actually need to establish X to be true; your story is that you heard it, and that's all you can be called on to justify before the courts; at best, they'll require you to issue a retraction if X is demonstrably false, and even that is a challenge to get the courts to decree. You've gotta prove they A> created the idea being reported themselves, and B> did so with malice, knowing it to be false. Not an easy claim to prove, generally.

[DingDongKing]

Affidavits are the new silent majority.

[Breccia]

Feels weird to not be disappointed in my state.

...you're talking about the World Series, aren't you?

On topic: McConnell tells GOP to stay healthy so they can do their best to ruin America in the lame-duck session.

All three remaining non-positive GOP members agreed.

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Yep.

One of those two Michigan GOP vote officials we've been talking about calls WaPo to tell them, basically, that they believed everything Giuliani says and is planning to ask for an audit.

"What's an audit?"

It's what you get when you want a recount, but Trump can't afford it.

If Dominion was fudging votes, that’s a serious problem, If it’s true. I don’t know. I have to be convinced of it. That’s why the audit makes sense.

Just so we're clear, "We don't know if it's true so we have to investigate" sure sounds hypocritical coming from a Republican. Remember when Trump got caught blackmailing Ukraine and the Republican Party refused to investigate it? Remember when Trump refused to testify or for his staff to testify and the Republican Party thought that was okay? Where are Trump's taxes?

This is a lie. This isn't about "doing the right thing" this is about "Trump lost so I'm burning the system down until you declare him the winner".

Also I'm pretty sure they already voted for the certification so I don't know what the audit is for anyhow.

[Mormolyce]

That's an indictment of the voters rather than either candidate.

I want you to stop and think about the absurdity of choosing a candidate whose sole claim to the role is electability, and when he fails to perform blaming voters for it.

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So a) yes, I am telling you that, but b) the reason I'm telling you that is because you are misattributing Hillary's loss to her being an establishment candidate--that's why retaking those states is relevant. Biden won decisively without Ohio or Florida, so what do you mean when you say "claims of electablity are completely bunk"?

I don't really know how to respond to this, basically your premise is that the heavens decreed that Hillary lose the states that she lost, it isn't her fault, and Biden should get a medal for retaking states that shouldn't have been lost in the first place, while failing to gain any of the ground establishment candidates claim they can take.

The establishment got their pick twice, and both times they failed to perform as they claimed. The end.

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Golly how did Trump win in 2016 with all of this corruption going on.

To be fair he said that election was rigged too, when he thought he was going to lose. Suddenly wasn't when he won.

[beanman12345]

Also I'm pretty sure they already voted for the certification so I don't know what the audit is for anyhow.

Yup you are right, it's 100% out of her hands now. literally nothing she can do now. "the audit" or whatever is just hot air because she doesn't want to take responsibility for eventually voting correctly, and doesn't want her diet of eating trump's shit to end.

[Ursus]

I'd like to take a moment to thank Rudy Giuliani. His clown faces, hair dye trickling down his sweaty cheek, constant look as if he's just been exhumed, My Cousin Vinny impersonations, and Four Seasons Total Landscaping fuckup have brought many a good laugh to my soul in this otherwise god-awful year.