Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Edge-]

I said you pretending like Hillary would have done a better job is Conjecture.

It's literally not. That's functioning on the assumption that -

Hillary is as deeply stupid as Trump
Hillary is as narcissistic as Trump
Hillary would surround herself with sycophants like Trump
Hillary would actively reject expert advice

I mean we could go on here. It's not conjecture, we can look at what Trump has done and who he is, and we can look at what Hillary has done and who she is. Do we know exactly what she would have done? No, that's silly, and nobody would claim that here. But would she have likely reacted sooner, like when intelligence briefings started appearing in front of her (she reads those!), taken the early advise of experts like Dr. Fauci seriously (she likes experts, a lot!), and generally hogged a lot less airtime to promote her campaign and attack the press? Yes.

And so would Biden given his history and who he is.

[Felya]

WHere you asking a question about Biden or Hillary? Try and stay focused.

Uhm... I use names of people I am talking about. My focus, isn’t the issue... like you literally just said. lol

I never called Hillary's record conjecture. I said you pretending like Hillary would have done a better job is Conjecture.

Pretending? No, causation... remember, I asked you what Hillary would have to do, based on her history, to match Trump.

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An assumption based on probability of outcomes. Hence Conjecture.


Hillary is as deeply stupid
Hillary is as narcissist
Hillary would surround herself with sycophants
Hillary actively rejected expert advice

Evidence... please...

[unfilteredJW]

One thing at a time. You and Edge can't keep shit straight, and I am getting beat down by both of you cherry picking off what I said from eachother.

This is some serious projecting.

[Felya]

This is some serious projecting.

I kid you not:

Why does his record mean anything, when you just called Hillary’s record conjecture?

WHere you asking a question about Biden or Hillary? Try and stay focused.

[unfilteredJW]

I kid you not:

It's that fun combo of sad and funny.

[Felya]

It's that fun combo of sad and funny.

I am having a good time. Gf got laid off last week, she is not taking it well. I’m pretty much hiding, because laughter enrages the beat. But, I can’t help it... she is so little compared to me, I just want to pet her head and laugh, while she is full blown rage mode. This has actually been fun, since I can’t enter the living room... lol

[Felya]

That was your second question. Try and be more concise.

I used “he” instead of Biden, which seems to have confused you. Brevity is not the issue. lol

Those last parts are my own opinion.

You think the whole point of me talking to you, wasn’t to show your opinion is baseless? You sure about that?

Oh so your purposely trolling. Well not the first time you've done. it.

No, I enjoy discourse. I enjoy this forum. I don’t understand why me having fun, is trolling?

I don’t enjoy being called a troll, as much as I don’t enjoy being called dishonest. I don’t think you are going to enjoy this...

[beanman12345]

Oh so your purposely trolling. Well not the first time you've done. it.

Finding enjoyment in taking someone to task for making bad arguments on a message board, is not trolling.

[beanman12345]

I've made no bad agruments. I've made some mistakes in what I said, but I stand by my agruments.

The DNC, Pelosi, Biden, GOP, McConnell, and more I find equally terrible, and the reason for President Trump.

I won't vote for Biden at this time, because his past votes and policies.

A vote not for Biden, is not a Vote for Trump.

And as I've said to you before, republicans are very happy with your choice, as you are playing into their strategy to a T.

[Felya]

Let me say this as plainly as I can manage to see if you can wrap your mind around it.

Power of Christ compels me!!!

No one knows how Hillary would have handled the Pandemic. It is an impossibility. You can't even assume she would have done a better job. Anyone claiming to say otherwise is speaking out of their ass.

Which is why we will use deductive reasoning, to remove impossible scenarios. Remember when I asked to show any evidence Hillary would have the same reaction. You didn’t... no... you claim your assertions about Hillary, are just opinions. What do you want me to say? Congratulations on building a case that your opinions are without merit? Great?

Biden is a separate matter. As of right now I won't vote for Biden based on his previous votes and policies.

Because you apply a different standard, where you know that Biden will not atone for his previous behavior. Again, grats for having double standards? Not sure what you want from me here...

There is nothing contradictory about those two statements.

There is... I know you refuse to acknowledge it. That’s not my intent... that would be silly.

[Felya]

I agree with Tara. Joe Should drop out.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/08/p...iew/index.html

The ultra rich regardless of party are very happy with your continued obedience.

Based on what?

[beanman12345]

The ultra rich regardless of party are very happy with your continued obedience.

Is this supposed to be a jab? The Republicans and ultra rich are very happy with your continued disobedience.

[Felya]

No that's just you making assumptions based on a series of outcomes no one could ever hope to predict.

Nope... deductive reasoning based on historical facts. That thing you keep attacking Biden with...

Based on the past 40+ years of DNC and GOP rule and a wealth gap that is on par with the Gilded age.

Which is based on your opinion, which is devoid of evidence? I think you will have better luck just calling me a troll again...

Is this supposed to be a jab? The Republicans and ultra rich are very happy with your continued disobedience.

Remember, it’s not just Trump’s fault. That’s what he said about Covid, before attacking Pelosi. Ultra rich, but not only Trump...

[beanman12345]

The Ultra Rich regardless of party. Thank you for your continued obedience.

I thought you didn't make bad arguments, nope just spam them.

[beanman12345]

That isn't an argument. I'm simply slinging the same baseless smear back at you.

It's not baseless, it's backed up with years of evidence of voter suppression by the republican party.

[beanman12345]

Voter Suppression isn't limited to the GOP.

Regardless of how I vote or not at the top of the ballot. I will still be voting down ballot.

Willful ignorance isn't a good look.

edit: also a megyn kelly interview, yeah pass.

[beanman12345]

Your stance makes absolutely no logical sense from a progressive point of view. You can try and twist the facts as much as you want but a Clinton presidency would have produced a SCOTUS that would be significantly more friendly towards progressive ideals. Those so called "votes and policies" that you are talking about. If the current administration were to win another 4 years, that would almost certainly make the supreme court much more conservative for a period of about 30 years. The damage that would do to progressive ideals should be immeasurable for progressives. And none of that includes the damage that would occur through other government arms like the EPA.

Yup as a progressive, it's the only reason I voted for Clinton, and the only reason I'm voting for Biden. Citizens united must be over ruled and other progressive causes must be defended by law. I believe intelligent like minded progressives will vote the same way. I hope it's enough.

[PC2]

Bidens past votes effected the future. It's called causation.

That's bad reasoning though, the merit of Biden's policy is based on what he wants to implement in the present regardless of his historical choices. People improve their ideas all of the time and so we can't expect the future to be like the past.

[beanman12345]

It wasn't enough in the last election. There was sufficient meddling to encourage enough people not to vote. People keep talking about how there wasn't a lot of Bernie supporters that voted for the current administration. They ignore the fact that there was a sizable chunk that didn't vote at all or voted for Jill Stein. Convincing people not to vote for your opponent is as important as convincing them to vote for you. A lot of progressives (e.g. Susan Sarandon) were saying that Clinton was as bad or worse than Trump. These people did as much harm to progressive ideals as conservatives. Jill Stein is the one that I don't really understand. My understanding was that the Green Party was supposed to push for things like the environment. What she should have said was something like "If you are in a strong blue state, vote for Greens, if you are in a swing state, vote for Clinton" but she was more focused on getting to 5% so she could get federal funding.

Yup those people not voting or voting 3rd party sure stuck it to the rich, getting Trump elected, who did what exactly? Oh yeah, helped the rich. Not even sure what that guy's argument even is, willful ignorant or just arguing for the sake of it. Jill Stein was just in it for the money for herself, not for progressive causes. It was her who raised all that recount money or whatever. Not sure what happened to all that. 3rd party isn't an option for progressive causes, neither is not voting. not a real option, it's an illusion some people make in their minds to stick it to the man or whatever, when really it's just cutting their nose in spite their face.

[TexasRules]

Random question: if we were to magically replace Biden with Gavin Newsom or Andrew Cuomo, do you think that would be an improvment?

Because honestly the dignity and firmness that Newsom shows and the straight-talk of Cuomo have really impressed me. I mean I don't really want to elect another New Yorker (deal with it New Yorkers), but both of these men have been far more presidential in the last 3 months than Trump has in 3 years.

The problem you are not considering is that any of the previous people running also have something Joe Biden has in abundance: Name Recognition. The 2 governors may be in the news, but neither one of them has any name recognition worth a damn. And you would want to start now?