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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Nothing.

    Giuliani just knows he has no future if Trump loses.
    Can we stop using terms like "If Trump loses"? Trump lost. We are at a point where we shouldn't even be entertaining concepts like "If Trump flips Arizona". Trump can't "flip" anything, because the election is over, the votes are counted, and he lost. It is like how the 49ers can't have a comeback win in last years Superbowl, the game is over, all the points are counted, they lost.
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
    "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

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    Latest popular vote according the AP:

    Biden: 79,022,599 (51%)
    Trump: 73,308,525 (47.3%)


    Yet again demonstrating how impossible and absolutely insane some of these "dem messaging" takes would be if only we elected the president like a real democracy.
    There is a limit to the success of conservative populism and the exploitation of "little guy" or "silent majority" rhetoric, and it is very often reached because of the emaciated, corrupted personalities of the demagogues themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Latest popular vote according the AP:

    Biden: 79,022,599 (51%)
    Trump: 73,308,525 (47.3%)


    Yet again demonstrating how impossible and absolutely insane some of these "dem messaging" takes would be if only we elected the president like a real democracy.
    Can they even conceptualize 80 million voters?

    Here, I'll help, its:
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    • 1 UK plus 2 Belgiums
    • 16 Denmarks
    Welcome to GEN-OT, have a seat, we'll introduce you to the 23-year-old who will lecture you about how Democrats didn't try hard enough to improve the ACA, and once that's all set up you'll be assigned a socialist who supported Ron Paul up to 2015 to harass you forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Yet again demonstrating how impossible and absolutely insane some of these "dem messaging" takes would be if only we elected the president like a real democracy.
    Hey, I'm all for dropping the EC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PresidentElectMilchschake View Post
    How does the Global Left deal with Right Wing Propaganda in their superior electorates?
    Seriously, can our Socialist Betters in Europe and the Anglosphere lend us their awesome Pro Socialist Media machines? Assuming those guys are winning so bigly over there.
    This is not about the media.

    1200€ : My college tuition for the first year of an Engineering in a prestigious college ( to be precise the change in € of my country currency back then)

    The second,third,forth and fifth? 0 € ( cancelled for academic merits)

    That's it : EDUCATION. There's no other magical recipe against populism and propaganda( be it right or left...conservatives have the right to express their opinions too, I'm talking about manipulation here) because as long as America has an education system based on forming a productive elite and leaving behind millions and millions who can not reasonably attend college the country is gonna be filled with people who don't really understand how the world works and will fall prey of jokes like a wall to combat inmigration. I just can't accept the opinion on Foregin policy about Iran from a person who don't now who the Sha was or can't point the country in a map.

    Let that no single person is left out of college for economic reasons and more ( not all of course) will learn skepticism and critical thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PresidentElectMilchschake View Post
    Can they even conceptualize 80 million voters?

    Here, I'll help, its:
    • 2 Canadas
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    • 16 Denmarks
    LOL, 16 whole Denmarks is a lot of comrades.

    Quote Originally Posted by wunksta View Post
    Hey, I'm all for dropping the EC.
    I can already hear the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE coming from Jackson County, Ohio.
    There is a limit to the success of conservative populism and the exploitation of "little guy" or "silent majority" rhetoric, and it is very often reached because of the emaciated, corrupted personalities of the demagogues themselves.
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    Here’s my ideas on what has lead to so many people voting against their self interest.

    1.) Culture of idolizing the wealthy and those with sociopathic behaviors as long as they are charismatic.

    2.) Poor education system especially for those in poverty.

    3.) US Christianity large influence in politics and policy.

    4.) Corporation large influence in politics and policy.

    5.) Propaganda and foreign misinformation campaigns.

    6.) culture of not caring about the mental health of children and adults.

    7.) A lot and I mean fucking a lot of children and adults are abused physically and mental throughout this country. Especially in poor communities. Which lead to many many traumatized people who don’t do good in life.

    There is so much work that’s needs to be done in the US that it seems impossible.

    Trump is the product of everything I mentioned. His father was mentally abusive and who has also been described as a sociopath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Can we stop using terms like "If Trump loses"? Trump lost. We are at a point where we shouldn't even be entertaining concepts like "If Trump flips Arizona". Trump can't "flip" anything, because the election is over, the votes are counted, and he lost. It is like how the 49ers can't have a comeback win in last years Superbowl, the game is over, all the points are counted, they lost.
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...rump-still-ha/

    Don't tell that to conservatives and conservative media. They're still absolutely convinced that Trump has multiple paths to victory. I mean, Bush Jr. won on a recount in 2000, it's basically the same thing1!1!!11111!!!11!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Can we stop using terms like "If Trump loses"? Trump lost.
    Giuliani hopes you're wrong. Hence, his actions.

    I think rational people can agree with this. Barring, of course, an illegal coup. It's like saying "I'm pretty sure I can go to the grocery store and back without dying OMG a white supremacist ran me over on purpose".

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    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...tbreak-worsens

    Reminder that states, both with Democrat and Republican governors, need financial assistance.

    And that Mitch McConnell still doesn't give a shit and doesn't mind letting millions of Americans suffer as their states have to reduce services to make budget shortfalls.

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    BREAKING: Indigenous voters were to key to flipping Arizona this year. In light of Biden's victory the Trump admin is fast tracking the Oak Flat Land Exchange in Ariz to deliver the land, & all the sacred cultural sites of the Apache, to mining giant Rio Tinto before the new admin takes office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Giuliani hopes you're wrong. Hence, his actions.

    I think rational people can agree with this. Barring, of course, an illegal coup. It's like saying "I'm pretty sure I can go to the grocery store and back without dying OMG a white supremacist ran me over on purpose".
    No, not even barring an illegal coup. If Trump seizes power in a coup, he will still have lost the election. That is my entire point, we need to stop humoring people by pretending there is any validity to the "argument" that Trump can win the election. There simply isn't. We had an election, we counted the votes from that election, and Biden won by fairly comfortable margins (Not huge margins, but comfortably enough to remove reasonable doubt as to the winner).
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
    "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    No, not even barring an illegal coup. If Trump seizes power in a coup, he will still have lost the election. That is my entire point, we need to stop humoring people by pretending there is any validity to the "argument" that Trump can win the election. There simply isn't. We had an election, we counted the votes from that election, and Biden won by fairly comfortable margins (Not huge margins, but comfortably enough to remove reasonable doubt as to the winner).
    Is it still possible for the Electors to pull any kind of shenanigans? I felt that was Trump's only path to victory in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Is it still possible for the Electors to pull any kind of shenanigans? I felt that was Trump's only path to victory in the first place.
    Faithless electors could swing the vote in some states like Pennsylvania and Michigan.

    Based on the way we expect results to turn out, Trump would need about 40 electors to defy their state’s popular vote for Biden and cast ballots for Trump when the electoral college meets in mid-December. That’s equivalent to all electors in Pennsylvania and Arizona and then a handful of others elsewhere. In other words, it would be a historic electoral revolt. In 2016, seven electors changed their votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Is it still possible for the Electors to pull any kind of shenanigans? I felt that was Trump's only path to victory in the first place.
    Rationally, no. The "Legislatures will appoint electors" thing isn't actually possible in reality, although it sort of is in theory. For that to happen, a state would have to completely invalidate their own election. That is simply not going to happen. It would also lead to issues where you couldn't seat any down ballot races until you had a new election, so everyone from Governors and Senators on down would simply not have an office to hold.

    This would also have to happen in at least three states, AND courts would have to uphold such a blatant power grab AND Nancy Pelosi would have to accept that result, because the House of Representatives is the final count of electoral votes.

    In short, it is only possible if the legislatures of three states are willing to complete destroy their state governments and throw their state into chaos, and the courts also back this insanity, and Nancy Pelosi is a secret Trumpster playing the (very) long con.
    "We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." DJT- Jan 22, 2020
    "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done." DJT- Feb 26, 2020
    “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” DJT- Feb 27, 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    If this makes you feel any better? (Lol) no matter what happens we're probably ending up witha republican senate, meaning nothing meaningful will get done on either side, since it would be divided government regardless of the president.

    I'm personally still irrationally holding onto hope that we can get the senate, cause my household stands to get a TON of money if they do the retroactive unemployment payments that the house passed a long time ago. Until then, poverty feelsbadman.
    Oh my God retro expanded unemployment would be AMAZING. That alone would bring my mortgage current and cover my next 2 payments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Going into a state with a large cuban and latin american population and loudly declaring yourself to be a socialist does not seem to be a winning strategy. Hell a lot of that blew back on the various democrats running in FL as it was just stupidly easy to slather on the they are sodalists crap even stronger than before. FL was one of those nice to have states but it was barely above TX for likely to swing democrat this year. And with the increasing strength in the south west the dem party does not need to focus that much on FL because it is not pivotal to their pathway to win. It is basically there with georgia as very nice to have but not something necessary just frosting on the cake.
    This election, the divide between urban and rural, or to be precise wealth & opportunity gap, has never been more stark. With the exception of Denton and Montgomery, every single TX counties with population over 500k voted for Biden. Tarrant, population of 2.1M, voted for a Democratic president for the first time in decades.

    The problem is that the southeastern border counties, which had been Democratic strongholds, either switched completely or showed decrease in Democratic supports. Lack of outreach was a factor. However, I think the biggest factor is that Democrat was perceived as being hostile to the largest employment sectors in these counties. Namely border protection law enforcement agencies (Border Patrol, ICE, CBP) and fracking. The fact that TX oil field unemployment is at 50% and a lot of Democrats were cheering (myself included) probably did not help in enforcing that perception.

    I posted on other threads that 95 out of 100 of US counties with the largest economy overwhelmingly voted for Biden. An increase of 12 since the 2016 election. Unsurprisingly, that goes for the rural counties also. Rural counties in California and Colorado that are doing well economically, also voted for Biden overwhelmingly. The biggest divide between GOP and Democratic voters is not rural vs. urban. It boils down to economic opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hinastorm View Post
    There are dozens of them, depends on how strong these NDA's that trumps employees have to sign are.

    Almost all of them would sell Trump out in a heartbeat to make millions off a book.
    AFAIK an NDA is null and void if you are breaking it to disclose criminal activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Is it still possible for the Electors to pull any kind of shenanigans? I felt that was Trump's only path to victory in the first place.
    Others can explain it better than me, but basically for many reasons, among which what power the house has, and the rules and laws regarding the elector, especially once they’ve already voted, is that no, there won’t be any shenanigans.

    The absolute “worst” case scenario is that should anything weird happen, the house can choose not to accept the electors, as their qualifications would have changed without notice. The house wouldn’t start an electoral vote, and if it’s not resolved, come 1/20 we have acting president pelosi.

    If the republicans had the house, we’d possibly see shenanigans, but luckily that’s not the case.

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    So we know Graham is reaching out to the SoS for Georgia to pressure him to toss votes, and apparently reaching out to...someone in AZ and NV (he claimed the SoS, but the NV SoS denied speaking with him) over votes.

    But this struck me -

    "What I'm trying to find out is how do you verify mail-in ballots," Graham said. "The question I have is who verifies the signature and if it's a single individual, I don't like that. I think it should be bipartisan."
    He's so hopelessly partisan that I guess he literally can't imagine that professionals who are doing a job can act as professionals and put partisanship aside.

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