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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post


    Something more or less like this, I imagine.
    Don't drag poor Robin Williams into this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Once again, it's time for Guess the Speaker!

    It's Pelosi.

    It's official.
    Nice, it's a big win for progressives. Having a leader pushing for Covid relief and Voting Rights.

    Really need those Georgia senate seats next.
    Welcome to GEN-OT, have a seat, we'll introduce you to the 23-year-old who will lecture you about how Democrats didn't try hard enough to improve the ACA, and once that's all set up you'll be assigned a socialist who supported Ron Paul up to 2015 to harass you forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-kno...-amid-pandemic

    At least we know Trump has time for the truly important things while trying to obliterate faith in American democracy: He's still gonna pardon a turkey.
    Inb4 he dresses himself up as a turkey to receive the pardon.

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    So apparently in the case that rudy was involved in the judge just nixed the evidentiary hearings that had been scheduled. This is because Rudy himself said they were not claiming it was a fraud case so there was no need for an evidence hearing about fraud. https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/pen...tiary-hearing/

    It may be time for the sad trombone to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    It may be time for the sad trombone to play.
    I got you, fam -


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    So apparently in the case that rudy was involved in the judge just nixed the evidentiary hearings that had been scheduled. This is because Rudy himself said they were not claiming it was a fraud case so there was no need for an evidence hearing about fraud.
    So, when the actual trial starts, he'll claim there is evidence, and...try to hide behind the fact that he chose not to introduce any?

    Yeah, I fail to see how this is a winning strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    So apparently in the case that rudy was involved in the judge just nixed the evidentiary hearings that had been scheduled. This is because Rudy himself said they were not claiming it was a fraud case so there was no need for an evidence hearing about fraud. https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/pen...tiary-hearing/

    It may be time for the sad trombone to play.
    That implies that it's actually stopped playing any time in the last few weeks (if not longer).


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    That implies that it's actually stopped playing any time in the last few weeks (if not longer).
    I think they won a court case in there somewhere, so the trombone paused for air at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    If I need to explain to you why the Democratic primary is not representative then I'm just wasting my time.
    My point wasn't just that Biden won Florida's delegates, my point is that it wasn't even close to being close. They (Florida democrats) played a big role in nominating Biden and he's the sort of Democrat that should appeal to a purple state. That he didn't win isn't all that surprising considering Dems had their clocks cleaned there in 2018. Obama won the state by less than 1% in 2016 and if you step back and look the big picture the state has only gone to democrats 3 times in the last 30 years and hasn't had a Democratic governor in over 20 years.

    Meanwhile Biden flipped Georgia, Arizona, won back the rust belt, and almost flipped Texas. Yeah, let's use Florida to argue Biden was somehow a bad choice in 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    So, when the actual trial starts, he'll claim there is evidence, and...try to hide behind the fact that he chose not to introduce any?

    Yeah, I fail to see how this is a winning strategy.
    I'm pretty sure I saw he claimed losing was part of their plan to get it before the Supreme Court. Feel free to take the word "plan" here as seriously as you like. They do seem to be aiming for the safe harbor deadline, and as I'm sure has been noted, DeSantis is trying to convince people in PA and MI to work their legislatures to appoint their own slate of electors. Plan, kitchen sink, tomato, tomahto.
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    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PresidentElectMilchschake View Post
    Nice, it's a big win for progressives. Having a leader pushing for Covid relief and Voting Rights.

    Really need those Georgia senate seats next.
    As ussual, you still have no idea what being progressive is actually about. She is not even in the progressive faction of the dems, how far off can you be?
    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    So, when the actual trial starts, he'll claim there is evidence, and...try to hide behind the fact that he chose not to introduce any?

    Yeah, I fail to see how this is a winning strategy.
    "We would have won, if the liberal leftist judge wouldn't have given us due process" - just already working on the narrative. Maybe that's why he's avoiding getting fired. Just blame it on the deep state and Trump buys it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    DeSantis is trying to convince people in PA and MI to work their legislatures to appoint their own slate of electors.
    PA and MI both have Democratic governors who would veto anything of the sort, even if the GoP led legislatures dared.

    That's 100% a non-issue.

    EDIT: Ignoring, of course, the fact that even if the GoP was somehow able to swing PA and MI, the EC would still be 270-268 for Biden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    PA and MI both have Democratic governors who would veto anything of the sort, even if the GoP led legislatures dared.

    That's 100% a non-issue.

    EDIT: Ignoring, of course, the fact that even if the GoP was somehow able to swing PA and MI, the EC would still be 270-268 for Biden.
    I'm aware they have Democratic governors, and that it doesn't seem likely to work (though "100% non-issue" is a bit overconfident), hence why I referred to it as a "kitchen sink" effort.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-Angel of Riots View Post
    Until then, I honestly don't care about anything else much. Until then it can all burn down to the ground for all I care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Levelfive View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fair to conclude that "Fuck the poor" "Arch-angel of Riots" is just in it with the hope of inflicting maximum harm for maximum chaos, and since they've shown no particular attachment to any guiding moral, ideological, or political principle, it seems to be for the sake of maximum fun.

  15. #35995
    I know it is fun to make jokes about Trump and to an extent his supporters. I do it all the time. However, the results of this election was actually rather disturbing.

    In 2016, 237 counties which voted for Obama ended up voting for Trump. In 2020, 77 counties flipped, and Biden won 59 of them. Democrats only regained a small fraction of the counties that they lost in 2016 election.

    How did Biden win? Metropolitan areas with high concentrations of Democrats voted for Biden at a much higher margin than they did for Clinton in 2016. Biden pretty much blew out the margins in the most populous suburbs also. Which got him Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Nevada and Georgia. In Texas Biden did better than Clinton had in 2016 in Dallas, Austin, Houston. He also won Tarrant County which had not voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964. Quite an achievement.

    On the other hand, rural areas and places with high concentrations of white voters without college degrees went even more for Trump than they had in 2016. Also quite an achievement considering he won this core group by a record margin in 2016. Biden’s gain in Texas biggest counties were offset by Trump’s gain in South Texas counties and the increased turnout in more rural areas.

    There are exceptions to the urban/rural divide. Rural counties whose economy relies on tourism and tech (mainly in CA and CO) voted overwhelmingly for Biden.

    Trump won 2,497 counties and President-elect Joe Biden won only 477 counties. Since the electoral college system is heavily weighted toward the low population states, I think it will be harder for Democrats to win the presidency. The same with congressional seats. Looking at the map of voters’ margin shift, I am surprised that Democrats somehow still manage to maintain majority in the House. With the exception of the west and northeastern coastal states, the rest of the country looks like red tomato soup with sprinkling of blueberries. Unless Biden can make inroad into the rural areas with his policies in the next two years, realistically, 2022 and 2024 elections will be tough for Democrats.

    On the other hand, in the long run, Republicans are in a tough spot also. Biden’s 477 counties represent 71% of US GDP (up from 64% US GDP of Clinton counties) and growing job market. Out of 100 US counties with the largest economy, only 5 voted GOP. A record low. The population in Biden’s counties is growing while Trump’s counties is on the decline. The industries supported by the GOP are on major decline worsened by the pandemic. Job market and economy in the rural counties have never been worse. You can’t keep winning votes on empty promises and grievances. At some point, you actually have to produce results.

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    https://www.businessinsider.com/mark...ration-2020-11

    Oh boy, and Chief of Staff Mark Meadows is now openly signaling that there might be a government shutdown next month.

    Because that's what you want in the middle of a pandemic, when you have a lame-duck administration and a desperate need for stimulus that the Republican party has refused to take seriously.

    The Republican party is the anti-American party and just wants to see people suffer at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    That implies that it's actually stopped playing any time in the last few weeks (if not longer).
    At this point it sounds more like Flight of the Bumblebee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I know it is fun to make jokes about Trump and to an extent his supporters. I do it all the time. However, the results of this election was actually rather disturbing.

    In 2016, 237 counties which voted for Obama ended up voting for Trump.
    Stop here.
    Please insert a serious talk about the massive Gerrymandering that occured in 2010. Also the gutting of the Voter Rights Act in 2013.
    It's not helpful to gloss over this highly important shit that occured between 2008 and 2016.
    It's like a civil engineer overlooking a massive sinkhole.

    Also, these structural problems persist in the year 2020. So "winning back those counties", will always be difficult until gerrymandering and the VRA are fixed.
    Welcome to GEN-OT, have a seat, we'll introduce you to the 23-year-old who will lecture you about how Democrats didn't try hard enough to improve the ACA, and once that's all set up you'll be assigned a socialist who supported Ron Paul up to 2015 to harass you forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I know it is fun to make jokes about Trump and to an extent his supporters. I do it all the time. However, the results of this election was actually rather disturbing.

    In 2016, 237 counties which voted for Obama ended up voting for Trump. In 2020, 77 counties flipped, and Biden won 59 of them. Democrats only regained a small fraction of the counties that they lost in 2016 election.

    How did Biden win? Metropolitan areas with high concentrations of Democrats voted for Biden at a much higher margin than they did for Clinton in 2016. Biden pretty much blew out the margins in the most populous suburbs also. Which got him Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Nevada and Georgia. In Texas Biden did better than Clinton had in 2016 in Dallas, Austin, Houston. He also won Tarrant County which had not voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964. Quite an achievement.

    On the other hand, rural areas and places with high concentrations of white voters without college degrees went even more for Trump than they had in 2016. Also quite an achievement considering he won this core group by a record margin in 2016. Biden’s gain in Texas biggest counties were offset by Trump’s gain in South Texas counties and the increased turnout in more rural areas.

    There are exceptions to the urban/rural divide. Rural counties whose economy relies on tourism and tech (mainly in CA and CO) voted overwhelmingly for Biden.

    Trump won 2,497 counties and President-elect Joe Biden won only 477 counties. Since the electoral college system is heavily weighted toward the low population states, I think it will be harder for Democrats to win the presidency. The same with congressional seats. Looking at the map of voters’ margin shift, I am surprised that Democrats somehow still manage to maintain majority in the House. With the exception of the west and northeastern coastal states, the rest of the country looks like red tomato soup with sprinkling of blueberries. Unless Biden can make inroad into the rural areas with his policies in the next two years, realistically, 2022 and 2024 elections will be tough for Democrats.

    On the other hand, in the long run, Republicans are in a tough spot also. Biden’s 477 counties represent 71% of US GDP (up from 64% US GDP of Clinton counties) and growing job market. Out of 100 US counties with the largest economy, only 5 voted GOP. A record low. The population in Biden’s counties is growing while Trump’s counties is on the decline. The industries supported by the GOP are on major decline worsened by the pandemic. Job market and economy in the rural counties have never been worse. You can’t keep winning votes on empty promises and grievances. At some point, you actually have to produce results.
    This isn't actually the case.

    When you look at where Biden won, and how he won, this poses a new problem for Republicans. Democrats gained ground in states that were only a pipe dream a couple years ago. The GOP has long managed to win the close races in battleground states, but the maps are redrawn. Georgia is a legitimate battleground, as is Arizona. The Democrats are broadening their base, winning middle-class whites and suburbanites, and pushing out from the urban centers.

    The suburbs are growing, and they are becoming more culturally diverse. Diversity, especially peaceful diversity plays right into the Democrats' hand.

    Sure, the GOP gained ground among Latinos in Florida, and even a bit in Texas. But, the Democrats can sacrifice Florida, because it was never really theirs to begin with, and they can focus elsewhere. Texas was within 6 points, that's a 10-point shift in a single election cycle.

    Virginia is solidly blue, when it was purple, and red before that.

    Colorado is reliably blue, and that is huge, considering the makeup up the state.

    The Dems need to rebuild their position in the rust belt, continue appealing to the socially-liberal beliefs of suburbanites, and push honor, honest work, and respect towards Latino voters, and they will be just fine.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Meanwhile Biden flipped Georgia, Arizona, won back the rust belt, and almost flipped Texas. Yeah, let's use Florida to argue Biden was somehow a bad choice in 2020.
    I also think it's a bad argument to say he was a bad choice when he won even though the GOP ALSO had a record turnout. So not only did Biden have to do better than Clinton, he also had to do better than Obama. If the GOP votes were the same level as they were in previous elections it would have been more of a blowout. The Democrats did a great job at getting people to come out to vote--but Trump also whipped his base up into a frenzy while the GOP's honed disinformation campaign chugged at full speed.

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