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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    That's not why they're doing that at all. They're doing that because Trump is violating their own site rules, but they don't want to take down posts from the President of the United States of America. It has nothing to do with section 230.
    Ok. It's the impression I got from Jack Dorsey from the judicial meeting as to why they are doing it, but if it's simply due to what your saying I guess it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    They’re down to trying to steal the EC at this point through their insanity. Not sure anyone is going to be lining up to board that ship though.
    It would have to be people already on the ship, true.

    I am wondering if the attempt to de-leigitimize the election will end up backfiring. Trump's rabid fanbase makes up the vast majority of the Party of Trump. If they decide "well I guess voting doesn't matter" wouldn't they just, you know, stop doing it? Especially since Trump will never run again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Ok. It's the impression I got from Jack Dorsey from the judicial meeting as to why they are doing it, but if it's simply due to what your saying I guess it makes sense.
    Ah, I haven't listened to that so I couldn't say.

    But that was functionally the social media companies response to Trump's tweets violating their rules, that they would ignore their rules when it comes to his tweets. And after years of pressure, they started slapping warning labels on them.

    230 just protects the companies from being responsible for anything posted on their platforms, that's it. They're not legally responsible if someone plans a kidnapping there, for example.

    OAN however, is a publisher and consequently is not protected by 230. That doesn't mean they can't lie though, it just means that if, for example, they host a libelous op-ed on their site then the writer and OAN are both legally liable for it. If all they're doing is spinning nonsense conspiracy theories like the water turning frogs gay, a la Infowars, then they're gravy.

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    Yes, it's a Tweet, but it's a pretty reliable source.

    As a reminder, Georgia certification is tomorrow.

    EDIT: Bonus points: I believe this was a Trump-appointed judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Yes, it's a Tweet, but it's a pretty reliable source.

    As a reminder, Georgia certification is tomorrow.
    https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electio...it-in-georgia/

    Additional citation that's likely a bit more neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Ah, I haven't listened to that so I couldn't say.

    But that was functionally the social media companies response to Trump's tweets violating their rules, that they would ignore their rules when it comes to his tweets. And after years of pressure, they started slapping warning labels on them.

    230 just protects the companies from being responsible for anything posted on their platforms, that's it. They're not legally responsible if someone plans a kidnapping there, for example.

    OAN however, is a publisher and consequently is not protected by 230. That doesn't mean they can't lie though, it just means that if, for example, they host a libelous op-ed on their site then the writer and OAN are both legally liable for it. If all they're doing is spinning nonsense conspiracy theories like the water turning frogs gay, a la Infowars, then they're gravy.
    Yeah, that's the thing. Lying isn't a criminal act (normally), and libel is a tort. So they can lie about random stuff just fine, but if they lie about someone who can claim said lies caused them damages, then that's another matter.

    At least that's how my understanding goes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It would have to be people already on the ship, true.

    I am wondering if the attempt to de-leigitimize the election will end up backfiring. Trump's rabid fanbase makes up the vast majority of the Party of Trump. If they decide "well I guess voting doesn't matter" wouldn't they just, you know, stop doing it? Especially since Trump will never run again?
    I guess we’ll see how GA goes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Ah, I haven't listened to that so I couldn't say.

    But that was functionally the social media companies response to Trump's tweets violating their rules, that they would ignore their rules when it comes to his tweets. And after years of pressure, they started slapping warning labels on them.

    230 just protects the companies from being responsible for anything posted on their platforms, that's it. They're not legally responsible if someone plans a kidnapping there, for example.

    OAN however, is a publisher and consequently is not protected by 230. That doesn't mean they can't lie though, it just means that if, for example, they host a libelous op-ed on their site then the writer and OAN are both legally liable for it. If all they're doing is spinning nonsense conspiracy theories like the water turning frogs gay, a la Infowars, then they're gravy.
    ah so 230 just protect twitter or youtube or wherever from actual crimes that might be committed like kidnapping and child porn or whatever being done on their platform? ok than clears up everything than. Thank you very much.

    I hope OAN doesn't have a comment section than because that seems just like the place where a kidnapping for a governor and burning down the state building might be done due to their batshit irresponsible use of their platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electio...it-in-georgia/

    Additional citation that's likely a bit more neutral.
    Thanks! I have about a dozen tabs open for later and I just couldn't find a better source for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    I hope OAN doesn't have a comment section than because that seems just like the place where a kidnapping for a governor and burning down the state building might be done due to their batshit irresponsible use of their platform.
    I hope they have a comment section precisely for that reason. Let the stupid bastards incriminate themselves. Think the FBI won't be listening in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Thanks! I have about a dozen tabs open for later and I just couldn't find a better source for this.

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    I hope they have a comment section precisely for that reason. Let the stupid bastards incriminate themselves. Think the FBI won't be listening in?
    Yeah I was hesitant to say I hope they do, because I don't want any of that shit to happen to anyone, but it would just happen somewhere else if not OAN so fuck them if they do I guess.

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    As much as I dislike everything happening, part of me is glad that how Trump is conducting himself right now is how he's going to be remembered by history. Just a complete shitshow of a temper tantrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Yeah I was hesitant to say I hope they do, because I don't want any of that shit to happen to anyone, but it would just happen somewhere else if not OAN so fuck them if they do I guess.
    Oh I don't hope they actually SUCCEED in carrying anything out. I just want them to have a place to plot it out in the open. Give them enough rope, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Oh I don't hope they actually SUCCEED in carrying anything out. I just want them to have a place to plot it out in the open. Give them enough rope, etc...
    right right, I'm just not always the best communicator so didn't want anyone to accidently misconstrue my meaning. I get ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    They’re down to trying to steal the EC at this point through their insanity. Not sure anyone is going to be lining up to board that ship though.
    If anything, this is restoring an enormous amount of faith in our judicial system... at least as it pertains to people trying to pervert democracy to blindly steal an election.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    They’re down to trying to steal the EC at this point through their insanity. Not sure anyone is going to be lining up to board that ship though.
    And we get the chance to see this all over again in 2024....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    As much as I dislike everything happening, part of me is glad that how Trump is conducting himself right now is how he's going to be remembered by history. Just a complete shitshow of a temper tantrum.
    To that end, is it necessary that we give every president a library? Can we just skip out on Trump's?
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    As much as I dislike everything happening, part of me is glad that how Trump is conducting himself right now is how he's going to be remembered by history. Just a complete shitshow of a temper tantrum.
    Well history is very far away and written by the victors, the GOP as a whole has not suffered consequences for doing so. The Trump base is here and bigger than ever and now half of them believe the election was stolen, we are in for a bumpy ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    To that end, is it necessary that we give every president a library? Can we just skip out on Trump's?
    If I am not mistaken it is not given they fundraise and build it themselves although I don't see Trump being interested in having a library the man doesn't read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    And we get the chance to see this all over again in 2024....
    I'm hoping Biden and the house (And, God willing, the senate if they can pull out a miracle in Georgia) work some major electoral reforms that codify what were previously "norms any decent outgoing president would follow" and "what's expected of each party's composure during an election" and solidify that instead into "You and everyone you conspired with's heads will spin with how fast your ass will land in jail if you try to steal an election" law on the books.
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    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Well history is very far away and written by the victors, the GOP as a whole has not suffered consequences for doing so. The Trump base is here and bigger than ever and now half of them believe the election was stolen, we are in for a bumpy ride.

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    If I am not mistaken it is not given they fundraise and build it themselves although I don't see Trump being interested in having a library the man doesn't read.
    History being written by the victors is no longer an accurate statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Well history is very far away and written by the victors, the GOP as a whole has not suffered consequences for doing so. The Trump base is here and bigger than ever and now half of them believe the election was stolen, we are in for a bumpy ride.
    I'm hoping they become so disillusioned with the process that they either split the republican ticket or decide to sit politics out altogether.

    As far as who's writing the history books, flailing attempts at revision aside from the right wing, the appreciation for American history is becoming more nuanced than it was, not less.

    And absolutely no nuanced interpretation of history paints Trump as a good... human being, even, let alone president.

    If I am not mistaken it is not given they fundraise and build it themselves although I don't see Trump being interested in having a library the man doesn't read.
    When has that ever stopped Trump from wanting to have a giant thing with his name on it?

    My top guess is that it gets built on some stinking tract of peat in Florida on a structurally unsound foundation because they skimped on the development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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