Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Paranoid Android]

Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/sta...311101441?s=19

Woah Newt, saying the wrong part out loud. Of course Trump stated this but people always give Gingrich more credit.

So again Trumpkins they are admitting voter suppression is the best way to win elections.

[Machismo]

I don't think all the GOP politicians who signed onto the cases actually believe Trump won. Hell, I don't think most of them even believe it.

That's what makes this all so much worse. This isn't about some falsely-believed fraud, or massive incompetence among election personnel. This is about placating the fragile ego of a 300-pound baby, because he cannot accept defeat. I stopped being a sore loser when I was 10 years old. They have to protect his ego, and they have to pander to him, or else they will lose the support of his cultists who are every bit as fragile as he is. This would be akin to a team losing the Super Bowl, but nobody being able to talk about it, because the losing team is still out on the field demanding a 7th and 8th quarter to try and catch up. Their mental state is so precarious, that they cannot even allow themselves to entertain the idea that they may have actually lost.

This is the part that sickens me most about this country, how utterly fucking weak a large segment of the population is. Ten years ago, if you would have asked me to point to the perfect example of a weakling in America, I would have shown you images of effeminate emo boys in makeup and hoodies. If you would have asked 4 years ago, it would have been the Hillary supporters crying in the streets. Now, it's the "rugged individuals" who are the pathetic lot, and it's not even fucking close. Millenials and Generation Z are orders of magnitude tougher, stronger, and more macho than the sniveling lot that is the Trump cult.

The GOP has become the party of fragile white supremacists, who are so scared of reality, that the people in charge of them have decided to simply keep letting those grown-ass men that Santa Claus is real, and the Easter Bunny still loves them.

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https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/sta...311101441?s=19

Woah Newt, saying the wrong part out loud. Of course Trump stated this but people always give Gingrich more credit.

So again Trumpkins they are admitting voter suppression is the best way to win elections.

That's because Newt Gingrich is an evil fucktard.

[Breccia]

For more analysis, this NBC News article is titled "What the Electoral College vote means for Trump and Biden"

Spoiler alart: the first line is The presidential race will be officially decided Monday. There's almost no way to change the outcome.

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I don't think all the GOP politicians who signed onto the cases actually believe Trump won. Hell, I don't think most of them even believe it.

Agreed, hence the wording being closer to "we need to see the evidence" and less "we found it".

[Machismo]

For more analysis, this NBC News article is titled "What the Electoral College vote means for Trump and Biden"

Spoiler alart: the first line is The presidential race will be officially decided Monday. There's almost no way to change the outcome.

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Agreed, hence the wording being closer to "we need to see the evidence" and less "we found it".

I personally believe that makes the GOP even worse. It's not about actually challenging what they believe to be a fraudulent election (even if the evidence shows them to be wrong). It's about pandering to a bunch of fragile racists who are simply not prepared to face the reality that their guy lost.

By this point in 2016, all the Hillary fans had stopped crying, regrouped, and become angry assholes hell bent on resisting the shit stain that is Trump. They had reached the final stage of grief, and were ready for the next round. It's been a month, and the Trumpsters haven't gotten past denial.

I'm honestly not sure they ever will.

[Eviscero]

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/sta...311101441?s=19

Woah Newt, saying the wrong part out loud. Of course Trump stated this but people always give Gingrich more credit.

So again Trumpkins they are admitting voter suppression is the best way to win elections.

What GOP says:
Making it easier for people to vote makes it easier for WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD to occur!

What GOP means:
Allowing blacks and browns (and women) to vote makes it easier for WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD to occur!

I mean, I would wager only like 2/3rds of the votes cast in Fulton county were legal...

[Kathranis]

What GOP says:
Making it easier for people to vote makes it easier for WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD to occur!

What GOP means:
Allowing blacks and browns (and women) to vote makes it easier for DEMOCRATS to win!

FTFY

/10chars

[cubby]

What GOP says:
Making it easier for people to vote makes it easier for WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD to occur!

What GOP means:
Allowing blacks and browns (and women) to vote makes it easier for WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD to occur!

I mean, I would wager only like 2/3rds of the votes cast in Fulton county were legal...

I can't tell if you're kidding or not.... Here is what your post should have said:

What GOP means:
Making it easier for people to vote makes it easier for WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD to occur!

What GOP means:
Allowing blacks and browns (and women) to vote means we'll lose because we're moral and economic cowards!

I mean, we know all of the votes cast in Fulton county were legal...

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Weird thing to wager considering all the recounting and auditing they've done.

I can't tell if he's kidding or not - I don't know his post history well enough.

[D Luniz]

*snip*
5) Pence stood by like a potted plant while Trump attacked every square inch of democracy and every line in the Constitution except the Second Amendment. He has lost all the faith what's left of the Republicans had in him.
*snip*

Point of order

We’re going to take the firearms first and then go to court, because that’s another system. Because a lot of times by the time you go to court … it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures. I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida; he had a lot of fires [and] they saw everything. To go to court would have taken a long time, so you could do exactly what you’re saying but take the guns first, go through due process second.

-Trump Feb 2018

2nd amendment got it too

[Paranoid Android]

I can't tell if you're kidding or not.... Here is what your post should have said:

What GOP means:
Making it easier for people to vote makes it easier for WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD to occur!

What GOP means:
Allowing blacks and browns (and women) to vote means we'll lose because we're moral and economic cowards!

I mean, we know all of the votes cast in Fulton county were legal...

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I can't tell if he's kidding or not - I don't know his post history well enough.

Yes. We had many of examples, evidence of GOP members openly admitting why they don't want people to vote. I mean with what's happening now trying to delegitimize and election and constant suppressing of voting, the GOP is nothing but a party of authoritarianism. A party that's once to rule with no inclination of our Constitutional, democratic principles.

Anyways besides the crap they are pulling now, suppressing the vote has always been the my focus on how evil the GOP party is. Lazy in fact that they don't want to earn people's votes. Racist and bigots enough that the enough people in their party don't want to even try to bring people who don't look like them.

[Daelak]

I don't think all the GOP politicians who signed onto the cases actually believe Trump won. Hell, I don't think most of them even believe it.

That's what makes this all so much worse. This isn't about some falsely-believed fraud, or massive incompetence among election personnel. This is about placating the fragile ego of a 300-pound baby, because he cannot accept defeat. I stopped being a sore loser when I was 10 years old. They have to protect his ego, and they have to pander to him, or else they will lose the support of his cultists who are every bit as fragile as he is. This would be akin to a team losing the Super Bowl, but nobody being able to talk about it, because the losing team is still out on the field demanding a 7th and 8th quarter to try and catch up. Their mental state is so precarious, that they cannot even allow themselves to entertain the idea that they may have actually lost.

This is the part that sickens me most about this country, how utterly fucking weak a large segment of the population is. Ten years ago, if you would have asked me to point to the perfect example of a weakling in America, I would have shown you images of effeminate emo boys in makeup and hoodies. If you would have asked 4 years ago, it would have been the Hillary supporters crying in the streets. Now, it's the "rugged individuals" who are the pathetic lot, and it's not even fucking close. Millenials and Generation Z are orders of magnitude tougher, stronger, and more macho than the sniveling lot that is the Trump cult.

The GOP has become the party of fragile white supremacists, who are so scared of reality, that the people in charge of them have decided to simply keep letting those grown-ass men that Santa Claus is real, and the Easter Bunny still loves them.

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That's because Newt Gingrich is an evil fucktard.

Great post. 100%

[Omega10]

I'm sure he'll lash out at it simply because it's handing him a defeat, but without the EC he would have had practically zero chance of winning, at all.

In fact the whole Trump shitshow thread wouldn't have existed, because without the electoral college we'd have had President Clinton and the concern trolls would be making threads about her choice of pantsuit or the 10,000th thread about the GOP launching more Benghazi investigations while we all go about our day-to-day businesses remembering the coronavirus outbreaks at the start of the year that we buckled down, listened to the scientists on, and got over mid-summer.

I LOVE this post

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https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/sta...311101441?s=19

Woah Newt, saying the wrong part out loud. Of course Trump stated this but people always give Gingrich more credit.

So again Trumpkins they are admitting voter suppression is the best way to win elections.

REALLY ???????

Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

Secretary of State Raffensperger is adding additional drop boxes???

My hats off to him. He is putting himself and his family at risk to fight for democracy. This makes me think that we, as a country, just might stand a chance.

Any idea what "other steps" he is taking that Gingrich is complaining about? This is the first I've heard about this.

[Iphie]

Any idea what "other steps" he is taking that Gingrich is complaining about? This is the first I've heard about this.

Probably having voters registered, i mean how is an honest republican supposed to win if all those non-white people can vote?! Obviously to me it's a good thing when more people get to vote.

(also note that I have no idea what the actual things are but seeing as how Ms Abrams is championing registration it seems likely that there is the problem for Mr Newt)

[Belize]

Perhaps. We'll see.

So now that electors are certifying the election for good, do you have any other brilliant plans to claim Trump will still be in office past Jan 20th?

[Dontrike]

So now that electors are certifying the election for good, do you have any other brilliant plans to claim Trump will still be in office past Jan 20th?

Something something secession something something Biden is #notmypresident

[Skulltaker]

Is there a projected time for when they have all voted?

[Breccia]

Is there a projected time for when they have all voted?

I doubt it, the pandemic changed the rules.

[cubby]

It was a much closer margin than I expected.

But, oh noes, we can't have that! You must insult me by saying I must have failed math or something. Wow...just wow...what a cesspool.

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Perhaps. We'll see.

Lol, no we won't. Biden is your President. So weird how quiet you've been this past month.

[Breccia]

Electors meet to cast their votes: Here's how it works

Quoting the whole thing.

Electors are set to meet Monday to officially cast their votes in the presidential race, signaling the coming end of a nearly two-year process that has become mired in controversy.

The 538 electors will formally vote to make Joe Biden the nation’s president-elect, with Biden projected to garner 306 votes compared to 232 for President Trump.

The quadrennial meeting is typically a sleepy affair, but it’s been thrust into the national spotlight as Trump rails against the race’s results and he and Republicans launch an array of lawsuits to subvert the election that have been shot down in courtroom after courtroom. Trump has also asked state lawmakers to swap out Biden electors with those who support him, but that effort has flamed out too.

Here’s what will actually happen when the electors meet.

What the electors do when they meet

Federal law sets the Monday after the second Wednesday in December in presidential election years as the date when electors meet.

The Electoral College delegations will meet in their respective states and the District of Columbia at places that have been designated by their respective state legislatures. There they will vote by paper ballot along the lines of the popular vote winner in their state and then each elector will cast two ballots, one for president and one for vice president. Those ballots are then tallied, after which the vote is certified in "certificates of the vote."

Six "certificates of ascertainment" are paired with the certificates of the vote. One is sent to the U.S. vice president, two are sent to the state’s secretary of state, two are sent to the archivist of the U.S. and the final one is sent to the judge of the U.S. district court of the district in which the electors met.

Those certificates must be delivered by the fourth Wednesday in December, which this year is Dec. 23. They will ultimately be brought before Congress on Jan. 6, when Congress declares the election results.

Who the electors are

Each state has as many electors as the number of lawmakers in their entire congressional delegations, equaling the total number of the state’s House delegation plus its two senators.

Electors are most typically chosen either by being nominated at a state party convention or being selected by a state party committee.

The people chosen are often done so for perceived loyalty to their respective parties and usually are party leaders, state and local elected officials and party activists. Electors cannot be members of Congress or hold any other federal office.

When ballots are cast, a voter is actually voting for the presidential electors who were chosen by the party of their preferred presidential candidate.

Is it possible for electors to deviate from the state’s results?

Electors can deviate from their respective state’s results and vote for someone besides the presidential candidate who won their state. Those who choose to do so are called "faithless electors."

In 2016, seven electors from the Democratic Party and one elector from the GOP publicly declared to vote for someone other than the pledged nominee at the Electoral College vote.

However, widespread defections are highly unlikely, and the prospect of there being enough faithless electors to change the outcome of the race is virtually impossible. Several states have laws that impose fines or prison sentences for electors who fail to vote by the state-specified rules.

Can Trump do anything to stop this?

The president can try to stop the results from the Monday meeting from taking effect or even change the electors who meet in the first place, but his efforts thus far have been fruitless and are extremely unlikely to pan out.

Trump has already asked lawmakers in a number of battleground states, like Michigan and Pennsylvania, to swap out Democratic electors for those who support him, though his pressure campaign has so far been unanimously rebuffed.

The president has also pressed Congress to refuse to certify the results during their January session, and while a handful of House members and at least one senator have expressed openness to the idea, the plan still faces a steep uphill climb to have any chance of handing Trump a second term.

It's not over yet. It is still possible for a massive treasonous conspiracy, since not all states block or punish faithless electors. But at this point it would need to be a public announcement of such. Somehow, of the 18 states that don't block faithless electors, just the right amount would have to be swayed through Party of Trump legislatures in states that voted for Biden. Then the House would fail to certify of course, it'd go to the "each state gets one" and hand Trump a dictatorship to thunderous applause.

[ranzino]

about Congress, Pence and the 6th jan: that's why i asked earlier how a still sitting (for the 14 days left) VP is able to deny the result, if any opportunity arises.
seems the problem is indeed on the table by now and the shitshow will continue until the bitter end ? tsk tsk tsk

[Breccia]

Oh, and before anyone says it's not possible, the White House is publicly admitting they're trying to subvert the election directly and in public.

Miller, appearing on Fox News as a senior adviser to the Trump campaign, brushed off the idea that the Electoral College vote marked any kind of end to the process.

"The only date in the Constitution is Jan. 20. So we have more than enough time to right the wrong of this fraudulent election result and certify Donald Trump as the winner of the election," Miller said on "Fox & Friends."

"As we speak, today, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we're going to send those results up to Congress," he continued. "This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open. That means that if we win these cases in the courts, that we can direct that the alternate state of electors be certified."

Miller indicated that Trump supporters will act as "alternates" in a handful of contested states, including Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, to submit their own, unofficial results. Should the Trump campaign succeed in overturning the outcome in any of those states, Miller said, the alternate electors could then be recognized by Congress.

"What part of the Constitution are these backups mentioned in?"

Oh, none. This is a coup. The idea is to get a judge to swap out electors to those who will faithlessly vote for Trump, even in stats that prohibit that.

"Do they have any chance?"

The fact that they're admitting they're trying in public is the issue here. This is treason. And yes, I assume there's a chance.