Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Goatlisp]

Biden and Trump both supported the Iraq and Afghan wars, and then both became doves supporting ending them. Trump hasnt ended the Afghan war what the fuck are you talking about, its still raging and the peace talks collapsed over prisioner swaps. You seem to have been pr couped. Thats not suprising.

You know how many peace talks there were under Obama/Biden?

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Well, most of the Bernie holdouts are actually British and European Trump supporters... who also happen to run multiple accounts.

Britain is in Europe.

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I mean his eulogies and we can work together seem to be old boys club ideas based on his own class and irish tokenism assumptions. They arent great buts hes not a man frozen in time.

Oh its ok that he's a bigot because he's old.

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This is probably the problem, you only have very basic knowledge of anything like that ending the Afghan war comment. Its what happens when you read wikipedia and twitter instead of books and nuanced analysis.

Oh please, like you are some kind of genius. Perhaps you could outline your claimed Marxist beliefs, by, you know, any kind of indication at all you've ever read Marx.

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Big rightwing youtuber vibes.

This from a guy who spent the last three years bitching about the only serious socialist candidate Britain has had since the 70's.

Just drop it. There's no way anybody other than a partisan corporate democrat is going to be convinced Biden is anything other than a reactionary corporate apologist because you only have to google his name to prove that is the case. Trying to argue the toss over whether he's better or worse than Trump only proves the point he's irredeemable-if it isn't intuitively obvious someone is to the left of Trump then by definition they are way too right-wing.

[kaelleria]

Biden's team is finally hiring decent digital folks from Warren's team and has reached out to other former camps. The people they hired from Beto's team are not cutting it.

How many are still left, who the fuck knows.

[Edge-]

Biden's team is finally hiring decent digital folks from Warren's team and has reached out to other former camps. The people they hired from Beto's team are not cutting it.

How many are still left, who the fuck knows.

Who fucking knew that hiring people from the worst-run primary campaign of 2019 was bad idea?

Seriously, Williamson ran a better campaign than Beto did. I'm not sure about Warren's digital folks, but if he can swoop some talent from campaigns that weren't a complete joke that'd be nice.

[Shadowferal]

Big donor to Lindsey Graham; Drop dead

A former top donor to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who publicly endorsed Graham’s challenger Jamie Harrison wrote Tuesday that one of the final straws for him was Graham’s failure to defend the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) from attacks by President Trump.

“I asked myself, ‘What is the character of a man who will not defend his best friend? If he won’t defend John McCain, why would I expect him to defend any of us in South Carolina?’” Richard Wilkerson, the retired chairman and president of Michelin North America, wrote in an op-ed for the Greenville News.

“My conclusion was that he was more interested in currying favor than in honoring the memory of a true American hero whom he had described as his best friend," he added. "I was extremely disappointed.”

Wilkerson cites other policies and actions he said further soured him on Graham, including his support for the 2017 tax reform package and his opposition to increased unemployment benefits during the coronavirus pandemic.

“Apparently, he feels that it is OK to share government dollars with those who don’t truly need the money, but deny any small windfall to working people who have lost their jobs. These two actions tell me who is important to him, and I do not agree with his direction,” Wilkerson wrote.

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That's the point i'm making. Getting FL out of the picture from the get go makes his path to victory much more narrow than the path of victory Of Biden.

why should the democratic party be beholden to one state? your basically saying we should let florida dictate national policy which is stupid. florida has a lot of votes but it isn't the only high count state and by getting a lot of low count states you could make up for it or a couple mid sized electoral states.

[Levelfive]

Big donor to Lindsey Graham; Drop dead

A former top donor to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who publicly endorsed Graham’s challenger Jamie Harrison wrote Tuesday that one of the final straws for him was Graham’s failure to defend the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) from attacks by President Trump.

“I asked myself, ‘What is the character of a man who will not defend his best friend? If he won’t defend John McCain, why would I expect him to defend any of us in South Carolina?’” Richard Wilkerson, the retired chairman and president of Michelin North America, wrote in an op-ed for the Greenville News.

“My conclusion was that he was more interested in currying favor than in honoring the memory of a true American hero whom he had described as his best friend," he added. "I was extremely disappointed.”

Wilkerson cites other policies and actions he said further soured him on Graham, including his support for the 2017 tax reform package and his opposition to increased unemployment benefits during the coronavirus pandemic.

“Apparently, he feels that it is OK to share government dollars with those who don’t truly need the money, but deny any small windfall to working people who have lost their jobs. These two actions tell me who is important to him, and I do not agree with his direction,” Wilkerson wrote.

Dayum. Brutal. It was Steve Schmidt, actually, who brought Graham clearly into focus for me:

"“People try to analyze Lindsey through the prism of the manifest inconsistencies that exist between things that he used to believe and what he’s doing now,” Schmidt says. “The way to understand him is to look at what’s consistent. And essentially what he is in American politics is what, in the aquatic world, would be a pilot fish: a smaller fish that hovers about a larger predator, like a shark, living off of its detritus. That’s Lindsey. And when he swam around the McCain shark, broadly viewed as a virtuous and good shark, Lindsey took on the patina of virtue. But wherever the apex shark is, you find the Lindsey fish hovering about, and Trump’s the newest shark in the sea. Lindsey has a real draw to power — but he’s found it unattainable on his own merits.”"

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-trump-928948/

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why should the democratic party be beholden to one state? your basically saying we should let florida dictate national policy which is stupid.

Because, sadly, if you want to win elections, that's the rub of it. 40+ states pretty much don't matter. Their EC contribution is either minimal, or more realistically they're "safe red/blue" states. Democratic candidates don't need to campaign heavily in CA (though they will fundraise!) or other blue bastions just as Republicans don't really need to go to Alabama or Mississippi. So what you're functionally left with for the most part, are 5-6 key swing states that get the overwhelming majority of attention from campaigns.

It's one of the stronger arguments for getting rid of the EC, actually, because it would open a great many of those areas up for more contention. The 4M+ Republican votes in CA now? Useless. Under a popular vote? Hey, they actually matter now, and being able to swing some Democratic voters in that state becomes a more attractive option for Republicans.

It's stupid, but it's the reality of our current system.

[Felya]

why should the democratic party be beholden to one state? your basically saying we should let florida dictate national policy which is stupid. florida has a lot of votes but it isn't the only high count state and by getting a lot of low count states you could make up for it or a couple mid sized electoral states.

Because the popular vote has not been helping democrats. They need Florida, otherwise they need to pick up too many small states for it to be effective. Bernie isn’t popular in the south at all, so picking up all these small states isn’t really reasonable.

[Milchshake]

why should the democratic party be beholden to one state? your basically saying we should let florida dictate national policy which is stupid. florida has a lot of votes but it isn't the only high count state and by getting a lot of low count states you could make up for it or a couple mid sized electoral states.

You're being obtuse or dishonest by omission. Biden is potentially flipping many states, one of which is Florida.

Including your Wisconsin. Biden is doing really well there. Biden was probably one of the best candidates the Dems could run in the Midwest.

Biden is ahead w/ white non-college women 46 to 38 in this poll. If that trend sticks, he'll have a real chance in WI & the rest of the midwest. They were the key demographic the to 2018 Blue Wave elections .

[Pipebomb]

IF this thread is any basis for the election...

Most of the Trump and Bernie holdouts seem to be

• HArdened apolitical types, that dont participate outside of online spaces.
• People that run multiple alt accounts.

Besides getting an incompetent racist demagogue out of the White House and saving millions of lives, the next best thing about Biden winning will be that so many people’s theories of how politics work will dissolve overnight. So many people learned the wrong lessons from 2016.

Edit: Arg, that's the old vid. A new one from 2008 came out where he said he was arrested. Of course youtube deleted them.

Video in link
https://www.dailywire.com/news/flash...hio-university

A newly unearthed clip from 2008 shows CNN reporting that Joe Biden told a crowd in Ohio that he was “arrested” for following a group of young women into their dorms, which he said was not allowed “back in those days.”

“He said he was attending a football game between his university and Ohio University, and he mistakenly followed ‘a lovely group of women’ into an all female dormitory.”

“Now I made a little mistake here that day, I made a little mistake. I wandered in, I met this lovely group of Ohio University…students,” Biden continued. “And uh, without knowing it, I shouldn’t admit this on national television because it’ll reveal that I’m over 60, but I thought that we were gonna go get something to eat. What’s that street you have down there, all you guys? See, I…and so I just said … two young women I had met, said well why don’t you…we’ll be right back, I said well I’ll come with you, and they said okay, and I walked into their dormitory and was immediately accosted by a cop who arrested me because back in those days men were not allowed in women’s dormitories.”

“But I promise you I never breached the first floor and it was only a temporary detention,” Biden continued. “But that’s what I most remember about Athens. So folks look, it’s good to be back here.”

[starlord]

IF this thread is any basis for the election...

Most of the Trump and Bernie holdouts seem to be

• HArdened apolitical types, that dont participate outside of online spaces.
• People that run multiple alt accounts.

Besides getting an incompetent racist demagogue out of the White House and saving millions of lives, the next best thing about Biden winning will be that so many people’s theories of how politics work will dissolve overnight. So many people learned the wrong lessons from 2016.

yea, this thread has basically been just the same 3-4 people regurgitating the same stuff over and over from the primary thread.

[kaelleria]

Who fucking knew that hiring people from the worst-run primary campaign of 2019 was bad idea?

Seriously, Williamson ran a better campaign than Beto did. I'm not sure about Warren's digital folks, but if he can swoop some talent from campaigns that weren't a complete joke that'd be nice.

Sadly the Beto folks are making the hiring decisions and they have some grudges against one of the better run campaigns (Pete's) so read into it what you will.

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Sadly the Beto folks are making the hiring decisions and they have some grudges against one of the better run campaigns (Pete's) so read into it what you will.

I just...don't get it. Literally, his whole campaign was his announcement off of his media darling status, and then almost instantly went to shit. I think his biggest campaign move may have been livestreaming a tooth cleaning, and these are the absolute galaxy brains they hire -_-

[Acidbaron]

Well at least we got our decision between a known liar who will make up fantastical stories verse Trump who also lies all the damn time.

https://www.businessinsider.com/plag...un-1988-2019-3

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...c-credentials/

https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...nitive-issues/

https://theintercept.com/2020/02/14/...ts-activism-2/

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-arrest-south/

Yet, people wonder why I don't trust him at his word.

Still the better candidate and more electable than Sanders, so what can you do *shrug*

After all you win more as a democrat or progressive by biden winning the presidential race than by sanders losing it.

[Milchshake]

"On his worst day Joe Biden's 1000x better than Trump on his best day, so I'm strongly supporting Joe."

- Bernie Sanders yesterday

[Felya]

Would we tho? Did we really win anything of substance with Obama? Seemed like all he did was not prosecute war criminals, wall street executives, and got us into more war. While the economy may have done better on wall street while many people had to go into the gig economy just to pay the rent. Then there was those Flint water crisis, DAPL, kids in cages, and now Obama is also being questioned about doing a political hit job. Seems like were getting screwed either way.

No he isn’t... GOP Senate shut that shit down just a couple of hours ago. Coupled with Trump’s inability to explain it yesterday, the only questions are from Trump supporters.

Edit: Conspiracy theory Trump supporters, to be exact.

[Goatlisp]

Still the better candidate and more electable than Sanders

If Biden is so electable why is he at 2.4 with the bookies? Trump is a shade over evens.

That is really astonishing given that Trump's performance over covid makes him the worst president since....just the worst president.

Does it not occur to you people that maybe the guy who isn't a rapist, a segregationist, a pawn of wall st, and a proven and obvious liar might just have been better? How much more evidence do you need this guy is going to fuck up an open goal?

[Acidbaron]

Would we tho? Did we really win anything of substance with Obama? Seemed like all he did was not prosecute war criminals, wall street executives, and got us into more war. While the economy may have done better on wall street while many people had to go into the gig economy just to pay the rent. Then there was those Flint water crisis, DAPL, kids in cages, and now Obama is also being questioned about doing a political hit job. Seems like were getting screwed either way.

To answer that question you would first need to determine how much of that is actually exclusively the fault of Obama. When the housing bubble finally bursted i was under the impression that he tried to create several barriers but faced quite a bit of back wind on that, now he was far less progressive as people would have liked that is true and he as many others in politics have a bad track record.

However you have to compare him to Trump and if you are stating you are better off with 4 more years of Trump you are being dishonest to put it kindly. Not only will 4 years more of the current administration attempt to undo even more progressive policies it will also means no strides forward are going to be made.

So once again i ask how does four more years of Trump actually aide you, the arguments made here is the same i see from armchair socialists at home, idealists, dreamers fully disconnected from reality as they are not the once paying the price, they are comfortable in their life style regardless where the pendulums swings and workers and less off people be damned.

As for the "political hit job" that appears to be a conspiracy theory with no basis in anything so far, by believing that you might as well declare yourself on the same level as the birthers when it comes to being capable of objectively judging the black president.

[Felya]

If Biden is so electable why is he at 2.4 with the bookies? Trump is a shade over evens.

Because Biden is the presumptive nominee. It’s why you are only judging by betting odds.

Edit: The smart money is on the nearly 8% that Cuomo has to be Trump’s opponent... according to betting odds.

[Goatlisp]

Because Biden is the presumptive nominee. It’s why you are only judging by betting odds.

No that doesn't make any difference.