Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

No because he‘ll abandon those beliefs once he gets elected

Why would he abandon them, if he has none of his own? What is he abandoning them for?

[Goatlisp]

Why would he abandon them, if he has none of his own?

I actually agree with you here. I suspect his real beliefs are Dixiecrat white supremacist-I want him to abandon those beliefs.

[Telogrus]

Why would he abandon them, if he has none of his own? What is he abandoning them for?

He’s abandoning them for what Wall Street wants

[Edge-]

They don't even have a Progressive Candidate running in a District that is more Conservative. lmao.

They did...Cenk Uygur...and he got a whopping 6% of the vote in the special election - https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/upc...sults-primary/

So the district clearly rejected a "hardcore leftist" after electing a Hill, who was relatively progressive but still on the more moderate end (did support M4A though, for example).

Hill endorsed Smith as her replacement to keep Democratic control of a recently flipped district. Plus the backing of Indivisible, now Sanders, and a raft of "establishment" types like Pelosi and Feinstein.

Is she a hardcore leftie? Hell no. Is she still far to the left of Garcia? You bet your ass. Is she going to support progressive causes? Probably many of them, but not all.

These people are fucking anarchists. "If we can't have our way BURN IT ALL TO THE GROUND!"

Now to return to my latest mantra: Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality.

[Adam Jensen]

Lol if by “journey” you mean only embracing gay rights when it became the popular position then sure.

Does anybody here honestly believe that Biden is anything more than an empty suit? He will believe in whatever he thinks will get him into office

I believe that Joe Biden would be a welcome relief from the constant shame and embarrassment currently coming from the WH.

Of course if a howler monkey was elected president, that'd be an improvement over Donald Trump.

I don't even care anymore. I'm voting for Biden because I'm just sick of Trump.

[Milchshake]

He has caucused with democrats for over 30 years. What do they expect?

What's wild is that Democrats are offering a huge amount of money to prop up the economy.

I'm sorry, the problem is not Republican sociopaths, it's Democratic reticence to call for Full Luxury Communism right now.
It's what podcast socialists and most red state voters want most. /s

Comrades Hawley and Cotton must be furious to hear the only Republican plan is "businesses should be able to kill their workers with full impunity"!

[Goatlisp]

But, you just said the amount doesn’t matter? How is your ass in the line, when the difference is negligible and you are permitting lines on candidates that are not even in primary? Like... zucherburg in your last link. I am anxiously awaiting the methodology, in which Zucherburg, has any chance of being president.

The payout matters relative to the true odds. I was concerned by your desire for action on events with low probability-that's compulsive gambler talk. Both low payouts and high payout wagers can be profitable in the long run if the payout exceeds the true odds.

Zuckerberg has no real chance of being president. However someone on the betting exchange wanted to offer odds on him in the hope some sucker would take the bet-no one has as yet.

[szechuan]

They did...Cenk Uygur...and he got a whopping 6% of the vote in the special election - https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/upc...sults-primary/

That was also because Cenk was unfairly Smeared by the Elites and the Establishment.
Cenk was also Endorsed by Sanders and had a much better chance of winning but was retracted because of the Smears.

Better to vote in Smith in the election IMO.

[Goatlisp]

What's wild is that Democrats are offering a huge amount of money to prop up the economy.

They are taking a huge amount of taxpayer money to prop up the economy. How noble of them.

[Felya]

The payout matters relative to the true odds. I was concerned by your desire for action on events with low probability-that's compulsive gambler talk. Both low payouts and high payout wagers can be profitable in the long run if the payout exceeds the true odds.

Let’s see the methodology...

Zuckerberg has no real chance of being president. However someone on the betting exchange wanted to offer odds on him in the hope some sucker would take the bet-no one has as yet.

Exactly... that’s why polls don’t have Zuckerburg, it’s not made to catch suckers. But... I am willing to be proven wrong... present the methodology...

Oh and there is something else about betting odds, that makes me know you won’t find it.

[Edge-]

That was also because Cenk was unfairly Smeared by the Elites and the Establishment.
Cenk was also Endorsed by Sanders and had a much better chance of winning but was retracted because of the Smears.

Better to vote in Smith in the election IMO.

Yeah...not thinking those smears were as effective as I've seen some Sanders folks claim. Especially given that like...if progressives knew it was smears, they sure didn't get out and vote for him. Republicans don't care about that shit per-Trump, and if we're to believe progressives than Democrats don't care about it either because Biden.

When in reality, Cenk was just a pretty fucking garbage candidate and I don't think folks are looking to elect a leftist fire-bomber with a youtube news show. I'm sure all those videos of him and Alex Jones/Roger Stone throwing down like complete fucking nubjobs at the Republican Convention in 2016 didn't help either, but can't blame "elites and establishment" for that.

[Felya]

I actually agree with you here. I suspect his real beliefs are Dixiecrat white supremacist-I want him to abandon those beliefs.

How can he abandon beliefs, that you suspect? Like, do you think running as a subordinate to a black man would be enough?

He’s abandoning them for what Wall Street wants

But, why would he do that, as an empty suit? So, he isn’t an empty suit, you are claiming that he is a wallstreet goon? That wallstreet, would prefer him over Trump?

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They are taking a huge amount of taxpayer money to prop up the economy. How noble of them.

You prefer they go to corporate pockets, like they have with Trump’s 15% tax cut?

[Thepersona]

Now to return to my latest mantra: Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality.

Would the planet be better off if the twitter servers suddenly had a fire and had to shut down permanently? Well, unfortunatel, yes.

[Goatlisp]

Let’s see the methodology...

I'm tempted to copy out a chapter of Epstein's Theory Of Gambling And Statistical Logic here, but I suspect it would be seen as trolling or something.

Your questions isn't really specific enough for any one to answer I'm afraid. There are a lot of relevant theorems to do with gambling and probability theory.

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How can he abandon beliefs, that you suspect? Like, do you think running as a subordinate to a black man would be enough?

Not if he has a vested personal interest. I'd believe Biden had reformed his racist views if he did something for the black community which wasn't in his own interest.

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You prefer they go to corporate pockets, like they have with Trump’s 15% tax cut?

I'd like to see Wall St and the corporations pay back some their subsidies. But they subsidize both main parties so it won't happen.

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That was also because Cenk was unfairly Smeared by the Elites and the Establishment.
Cenk was also Endorsed by Sanders and had a much better chance of winning but was retracted because of the Smears.

Better to vote in Smith in the election IMO.

Judging from examples in the US and abroad it was naive to believe a progressive can win within the parameters of the existing establishment.

Progressives need their own media, their own corporations, their own banks, their own currency, their own investors to compete. You need a shadow state ready and willing to replace the existing one.

[Felya]

I'm tempted to copy out a chapter of Epstein's Theory Of Gambling And Statistical Logic here, but I suspect it would be seen as trolling or something.

You could... not sure it would count as trolling, but it wouldn’t provide the methodology used. So, the point would be irrelevant. Here is another example, perhaps to make what I am saying easier to understand. Do all betting houses have the same betting odds?

Your questions isn't really specific enough for any one to answer I'm afraid. There are a lot of relevant theorems to do with gambling and probability theory.

I am asking for methodology used for the specific betting we are discussing. I can’t get more specific... if you wanted, let’s say... yougov poll methodology, I can link that fairly easily. Can you link the methodology used by any serious betting establishment? Not an example or an explanation of what they are. But, just like polling, the methodology used to generate their odds.

Not if he has a vested personal interest. I'd believe Biden had reformed his racist views if he did something for the black community which wasn't in his own interest.

What vested interest does Biden have in being racist? It’s not like he forgets who David Duke is, after getting his endorsement.

I'd like to see Wall St and the corporations pay back some their subsidies. But they subsidize both main parties so it won't happen.

Wallstreet did pay back TARP with interest. They can’t pay back a tax cut... Even the loans currently going out are loans, they just have 0 interest. Unlike before...

Judging from examples in the US and abroad it was naive to believe a progressive can win within the parameters of the existing establishment.

Uhm... compared to now, Hillary would be a progressive win.

Progressives need their own media, their own corporations, their own banks, their own currency, their own investors to compete. You need a shadow state ready and willing to replace the existing one.

But, as soon as they get any of that, they won’t be progressive. You are creating a catch 22...

Edit: Think about it... was Hillary progressive when she worked with Reagan on providing lawyers to those that can’t afford it? Was she progressive when winning mother and woman if the year in Arkansas? Was she progressive when she said a woman’s place was not behind her husband or pushing universal coverage as First Lady? When did she stop being progressive, when opening one of the largest charity organizations in the world?

[Telogrus]

Can someone please explain to me why neither Trump nor Biden will endorse legalizing weed? It’s such an easy way to get a lot of votes, but neither one will do it. Could it possibly be because they both have buddies that profit from weed being illegal?

[Edge-]

It’s such an easy way to get a lot of votes, but neither one will do it.

Because I'm willing to bet that there the polling and focus group testing indicates that there are very few single issue voters on the matter to grab, and a whole lot more to potentially lose.

Could it possibly be because they both have buddies that profit from weed being illegal?

No, it's because it's just not as important nationally as a lot of the pro-legalization crowd thinks. I'm all for legalizing it, or at the very least decriminalizing it. I live in CA, it's been "legal" for well over a decade and legal for 2-3 years now and it's been just fine.

But the reality is that it's not an issue that plays on the national stage.

You come out and say you're pro-legalization, you're not gonna energize a ton of voters who show up to the polls.

You come out and say you're pro-life and you're gonna get a huge amount of support from single-issue voters on the matter.

[jonnysensible]

Can someone please explain to me why neither Trump nor Biden will endorse legalizing weed? It’s such an easy way to get a lot of votes, but neither one will do it. Could it possibly be because they both have buddies that profit from weed being illegal?

Stay away from the devils lettuce!

They both still believe that gateway drug nonsense. And I suppose Trumps brothers death spooked him on drugs (and booze).

Biden quote : “It should be changed to a Schedule II drug. We should move in a direction to make sure it’s not a criminal offense, it’s a civil offense,” he said. “Any conviction at all for marijuana now or in the future or in the past, your record should be wiped clean. It’s not something that is going to send anybody to jail.”

You have to look at Biden as a bit of a party vessel as opposed to Trumps top down rule, if Biden is pressured and lobbied by the party to do something and he feels there is popular support he will do it.

[unfilteredJW]

They did...Cenk Uygur...and he got a whopping 6% of the vote in the special election - https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/upc...sults-primary/

So the district clearly rejected a "hardcore leftist" after electing a Hill, who was relatively progressive but still on the more moderate end (did support M4A though, for example).

Hill endorsed Smith as her replacement to keep Democratic control of a recently flipped district. Plus the backing of Indivisible, now Sanders, and a raft of "establishment" types like Pelosi and Feinstein.

Is she a hardcore leftie? Hell no. Is she still far to the left of Garcia? You bet your ass. Is she going to support progressive causes? Probably many of them, but not all.

These people are fucking anarchists. "If we can't have our way BURN IT ALL TO THE GROUND!"

Now to return to my latest mantra: Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality. Twitter is not reality.

They aren’t anarchists.

They are children throwing a tantrum.

[arandomuser]

looks like a trump loyalist won ca 25, not a good sign
also i wonder if the fact that liberals are more worried about covid than republicans effected turnout