Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Firslaps]

Totally... Trump wasted his big push while having total control of Congress, to give a tax cut to corporations that isn’t real. The deficit that resulted from lost revenue, is also not real, because corporations don’t pay taxes. The buy back that happened, was also just randomly coinciding with the tax cut. I bet you don’t know what was lost during the tax cut...



Let’s talk more about that. Can you please list all of the deductions you have filed after Trump’s corporate tax cut.

The point was that big corporations are not paying anything close to the official rate. So it makes no difference what the official rate is. That has nothing to do with me personally except in that I know how easy it is to dodge tax if you actually want to.

[Draco-Onis]

I'd say on policy it is materially true that the Democrats and the Working Class are not really aligned with one another. Right now the pitch of the Democratic party is that a small cadre of enlightened technocrats can be trusted to generously furnish the working class with a better life. A central premise of Marx is that classes simply cannot act this way. Classes pursue their own interests and act politically not out of self-interest.

What even are the Democrats policies? It certainly isn't Universal Healthcare. given how quickly the party has worked to incorporate NeoCon flakies and leftovers from the Bush Era it isn't non-interventionism, the party isn't seriously pushing for anything that could be a material benefit to that class of people.

The GOP wins merely by default due to a lack of credible competition. DSA isn't going to do it, Nathan J. Robinson dresses as a peacock and calls himself a Proudhonist which in a sane world would relegate him to obscurity.

The problem is the Democrats are the party of the Professional Managerial Class; and the problem for the Pseudo-Left in most of the western world is that it too is dominated by people in that class with deep anxieties about decline position in the world, an increasing powerlessness and inability to pass on class status or hold onto class status.

That makes absolutely no sense your logic is that because democrats don't all support universal health care and brought some people you don't like they are better than the republicans. I would think the party doing the following

- Spent a decade trying to strip millions of health care.
- Telling workers to go back to work even if it's not safe or lose everything.
- Introducing bills to protect owners from liability from unsafe work conditions.
- Giving big business free for all to pollute.
- Telling people there are more important things than living while talking from their mansions.

is not the party of the working people, your rant only works if you don't live in this reality.

[Machismo]

That makes absolutely no sense your logic is that because democrats don't all support universal health care and brought some people you don't like they are better than the republicans. I would think the party doing the following

- Spent a decade trying to strip millions of health care.
- Telling workers to go back to work even if it's not safe or lose everything.
- Introducing bills to protect owners from liability from unsafe work conditions.
- Giving big business free for all to pollute.
- Telling people there are more important things than living while talking from their mansions.

is not the party of the working people, your rant only works if you don't live in this reality.

That's probably because she's an alt-right Trump supporter, and her motives are in question. Her "concern" is utterly disingenuous. She's been caught lying about this on numerous occasions, and one only need look at all the threads she's started to see it.

[Trunksee]

That makes absolutely no sense your logic is that because democrats don't all support universal health care and brought some people you don't like they are better than the republicans. I would think the party doing the following

- Spent a decade trying to strip millions of health care.
- Telling workers to go back to work even if it's not safe or lose everything.
- Introducing bills to protect owners from liability from unsafe work conditions.
- Giving big business free for all to pollute.
- Telling people there are more important things than living while talking from their mansions.

is not the party of the working people, your rant only works if you don't live in this reality.

So lets see if i can cherry pick through your cherry picking.

Healthcare for the middle class spiked when Obamacare came out due to the individual mandate. Many people who are healthy and i was one, didnt carry healthcare were now forced to spend a large amount on something that was basically a waste of money. Mine alone went from nothing a week to over 200 a week.

There are jobs that are completely essential which workers are refusing to work. There are also jobs that are safe to do with things implemented yet due to the bullshit increase in UI they make more staying home. Now a part timer making 300 a week does not deserve 750 a week on UI.

Pollution is a testy subject. Depending on view points it can be debated on how much is to much. Its not like they are dumping nuclear waste under the changes. The increase was negligible.

Lastly who cuts you a paycheck? Would you not like the ability to one day be that person?

[JohnBrown1917]

https://twitter.com/KThomasDC/status...21512154808321

For once I agree with Biden.

Just tell your family the truth.

Obamagate means:

Obama's

Better

At

Making

America

Great

And

Trump's

Embarrassed

Nah, they are about equal on the fucking up the world scale. Still below Bush, though.

[Firslaps]

That makes absolutely no sense your logic is that because democrats don't all support universal health care and brought some people you don't like they are better than the republicans. I would think the party doing the following

- Spent a decade trying to strip millions of health care.
- Telling workers to go back to work even if it's not safe or lose everything.
- Introducing bills to protect owners from liability from unsafe work conditions.
- Giving big business free for all to pollute.
- Telling people there are more important things than living while talking from their mansions.

is not the party of the working people, your rant only works if you don't live in this reality.

Of course they are not. That doesn't mean that supporting the alternative is good for them.

In the long run the working class will benefit from the destruction of the corporate wing of the Democrat party.

The corporate democrats would only have to make marginal compromises on things like universal healthcare to make it worthwhile for the working-class to vote for them, but they seem hell-bent on treating them with utter contempt and destroying their own voter base.

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That's probably because she's an alt-right Trump supporter, and her motives are in question. Her "concern" is utterly disingenuous. She's been caught lying about this on numerous occasions, and one only need look at all the threads she's started to see it.

You are a Tea Party supporter, I'd say your motives in defending Biden are considerably more questionable to say the least.

[Machismo]

Of course they are not. That doesn't mean that supporting the alternative is good for them.

In the long run the working class will benefit from the destruction of the corporate wing of the Democrat party.

The corporate democrats would only have to make marginal compromises on things like universal healthcare to make it worthwhile for the working-class to vote for them, but they seem hell-bent on treating them with utter contempt and destroying their own voter base.

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You are a Tea Party supporter, I'd say your motives in defending Biden are considerably more questionable to say the least.

No, you are wrong. I despise the Tea Party, and think they are a bunch of lying hypocrites. The Tea Party is nothing but partisan hacks,and racists. Then again, you are new here, so you clearly don't have the frame of reference.

Of course, if you have evidence to the contrary, I look forward to seeing it.

[Firslaps]

No, you are wrong. I despise the Tea Party, and think they are a bunch of lying hypocrites. The Tea Party is nothing but partisan hacks,and racists. Then again, you are new here, so you clearly don't have the frame of reference.

Of course, if you have evidence to the contrary, I look forward to seeing it.

You stated you intend to vote for Justin Amash, he was a tea party republican.

[Felya]

Just tell your family the truth.

Dude, I got yelled at then hung up on, while being cursed out, for simply posting how that fish cleaner wasn’t effective in an article, without me commenting. I was just silent on the call, then I got high... so, it was all good... no hard feelings... everything is iry... lol

[Machismo]

You stated you intend to vote for Justin Amash, he was a tea party republican.

And he's not even a Republican, any longer.

I also said I MAY vote for him.

As you can see, since the Tea Party has been utterly silent during Trump's reign, it had nothing to do with fiscal conservatism, and was all about blind partisanship and racism.

I also said one of the reasons I would support him, is that he's not a terrible person. It would appear you are missing some evidence to back up your claim. it's weird how many new accounts seem to be unable to distinguish between the past and the present, and they really try to lie about what people actually stand for, and what they say. There was this one dude swearing that Biden is a segregationist. Alas, his account was banned.

So, I accept your full retraction.

[Felya]

Nah, they are about equal on the fucking up the world scale. Still below Bush, though.

Saying things like this, really devalues you’re opinion.

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In the long run the working class will benefit from the destruction of the corporate wing of the Democrat party.

That’s coming from someone who thinks Trump’s corporate tax cut didn’t mater, while claiming to use deductions that said tax cut eliminated, to pay taxes from his successful business. WTF?

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You stated you intend to vote for Justin Amash, he was a tea party republican.

You stated that you used deductions that were cut as part of Trump’s 15% tax cut to corporations. You also said that tax cut doesn’t mater, because you are a successful business owner, that doesn’t pay taxes.

Edit: Why should we care what a successful business owner, that downplays a 15% tax cut, has to say about workers? Shouldn’t you be collecting receipts for the deductibles Trump removed, to be used to not pay taxes in June?

[trandlimp]

And he's not even a Republican, any longer.

I also said I MAY vote for him.

As you can see, since the Tea Party has been utterly silent during Trump's reign, it had nothing to do with fiscal conservatism, and was all about blind partisanship and racism.

I also said one of the reasons I would support him, is that he's not a terrible person.

He is a founding member of the freedom caucus and appears to be the natural choice of the tea party, so it is reasonable to describe you as a tea party supporter, especially given how liberally you make (often wildly inaccurate) inferences about everyone else.

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So, I accept your full retraction.

And I acknowledge your apology for your past sex crimes involving children and animals.

[Machismo]

He is a founding member of the freedom caucus and appears to be the natural choice of the tea party, so it is reasonable to describe you as a tea party supporter, especially given how liberally you make (often wildly inaccurate) inferences about everyone else.

I'm going to need some evidence to back up those claims, especially from a brand new poster.

Welcome to the site!!!

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He is a founding member of the freedom caucus and appears to be the natural choice of the tea party, so it is reasonable to describe you as a tea party supporter, especially given how liberally you make (often wildly inaccurate) inferences about everyone else.

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And I acknowledge your apology for your past sex crimes involving children and animals.

Surely you must have some evidence for those claims, right? Otherwise, that's libelous and defamatory.

[Louisa Bannon]

Okay, are folks starting to see what a disaster Biden turns out to be? I'll keep this brief...

I'm just going to link this reasonably solid list of reasons Biden sucks (scroll down for a hyperlink version at the link):
https://www.reddit.com/user/ubmt1861...opypaste_with/

Just go look. Biden isn't anyone a current Democrat should be interested in voting for because he's quite awful really. Personally, I focus on the things he has done with an economic outcome and not so much on the identity politics bullshit. But, FWIW, he doesn't really win me over even in the identity politics area either. Biden is a fucking misery. He's a lying, opportunistic, sack of shit.

For me personally, choosing between Trump and Biden is extremely difficult. I really wanted Sanders, but its not because of a cult of personality but rather the issues he championed. And right now, life under Covid-19 is teaching us all how right Sanders was to champion those things. Absent those policy choices, neither of the remaining candidates interests me at all.

Trump is a fucking disaster - a 100% fake media creation. I think he's a criminal. I think he's violated innumerable laws. I think he is knowingly in bed with the Russians and is paid via a Deutsche Bank routing scheme. He's probably the most destructive GOP president in memory. He's embarrassing to me as a patriotic american. But...he hasn't actually done so many of the things that have actively harmed me or that otherwise make me dislike Joe Biden.

Neither of these guys is a candidate I would actively vote *FOR* with any real interest. As a consequence, I may just not vote. I just don't care who wins between these two absurdly terrible candidates. Neither is running on any issues that motivate me at all. I'm not even sure what Biden is supposed to stand for except that he's not the other guy.

Next: my equally obvious takedown of Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi. Who do I dislike more? Which of them is more corrupt? So hard to choose...

[trandlimp]

You stated that you used deductions that were cut as part of Trump’s 15% tax cut to corporations. You also said that tax cut doesn’t mater, because you are a successful business owner, that doesn’t pay taxes.

So I made deductions from a tax bill I didn't pay? You have this rich fantasy life in your head about me.

Tax cuts do not matter because the official rate isn't enforced. The money is never collected. It is a blindingly simply point, you seem to have enormous trouble with.

If you want to raise more revenues from taxation you first have to enforce payment.

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Surely you must have some evidence for those claims, right? Otherwise, that's libelous and defamatory.

So you are contradicting your previous acknowledgement of your lurid sex crimes involving children and animals?

[Felya]

For me personally, choosing between Trump and Biden is extremely difficult. I really wanted Sanders, but its not because of a cult of personality but rather the issues he championed..

What’s your opinion on Sanders saying there is no choice between Trump, Biden and not voting? Bernie seems to be pretty sure that Biden would champion his issues far more than Trump or not voting. I’m sorry, not voting, when you care about Bernie’s issues, doesn’t make sense, beyond cult of personality.

[Machismo]

So I made deductions from a tax bill I didn't pay? You have this rich fantasy life in your head about me.

Tax cuts do not matter because the official rate isn't enforced. The money is never collected. It is a blindingly simply point, you seem to have enormous trouble with.

If you want to raise more revenues from taxation you first have to enforce payment.

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So you are contradicting your previous acknowledgement of your lurid sex crimes involving children and animals?

What previous acknowledgement? Surely you have evidence of that acknowledgement, right? I have a lot of posts, I look forward to you providing the evidence to back up your claims.

Considering it never happened, Methinks you will be disappointed.

[Felya]

So I made deductions from a tax bill I didn't pay? You have this rich fantasy life in your head about me.

Dude... that tax cut, removed most deductibles. What fucking deductibles did you use to pay your taxes, when most of them were removed while cutting corporate taxes by 15%? Your only example was something that cannot be a deduction, because of the tax cut you are defending. Who is living in fantasy land? lol

[trandlimp]

Okay, are folks starting to see what a disaster Biden turns out to be? I'll keep this brief...

I'm just going to link this reasonably solid list of reasons Biden sucks (scroll down for a hyperlink version at the link):

You see that doesn't matter because for the last 10 years he has been saying bright, fluffy things about trans people. He also magically become non-racist through osmosis-standing next to a black dude does that apparently.

A cynic might say that Biden comes out with whatever crap will advance his career but no, that would be far too cynical and er...truthful.

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Dude... that tax cut, removed most deductibles. What fucking deductibles did you use to pay your taxes, when most of them were removed while cutting corporate taxes by 15%? Your only example was something that cannot be a deduction, because of the tax cut you are defending. Who is living in fantasy land? lol

I'm not an American. You must have noticed this since Machismo points this out every thirty seconds.

[Felya]

e Machismo points this out every thirty seconds.

Than why the fuck are you using your taxes, to say Trump’s tax cut on corporations doesn’t mater? Here in America, we had a massive deficit, corporate buy back and social program cuts, due to the lost revenue as a result of the tax cut. In your country it meant nothing, in America we had a record breaking deficit, before corona.

Edit: You create several accounts a day, how the fuck am I supposed distinguish you, from the numerous others that got banned for your behavior, but can’t let go of this forum. Dozens of you...