Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[UnifiedDivide]

I have no intent to or interest in intimidating you. I just genuinely fucking hate you.

Is this supposed to elicit some sort of response from me? You are exactly nothing to me.

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I know who this user is—he bitches about the same shit every time he makes a new account (his main one is permanently banned).

Yup, he's been at it for a depressingly long time.

[jonnysensible]

I know who this user is—he bitches about the same shit every time he makes a new account (his main one is permanently banned).

wait whos the main

[Winter Blossom]

wait whos the main

PM’d you. Don’t want to post it here.

[Kaleredar]

This is what happens when the election is over, but the thread stays open, and people then decide to go in circles with shit like wolf packs. And some people insist on feeding the troll-like existences.

Honestly, the people that feed those that are full of obvious shit and trolls are almost as bad as the trolls themselves. It gets so fucking tedious seeing pages of 2 posters going round in circles with the same posts nonstop.

It’s really the pretentious nonsense that gets me. As if there was some victory to be won arguing about... packs of humans because we’re really like... wolves... or whatever it was?

Anywho, I think it very fitting e close this thread on the 20th. Consign these last four miserable years to the history books in our own special way.

[Machismo]

PM’d you. Don’t want to post it here.

I'd also love to know who that main is. That dude has spammed hundreds and hundreds of accounts.

[Kaleredar]

No one is trolling any one here. I genuinely fucking hate people like you.

Dude maybe go take a walk outside or something? Get a hobby maybe?

[UnifiedDivide]

It’s really the pretentious nonsense that gets me. As if there was some victory to be won arguing about... packs of humans because we’re really like... wolves... or whatever it was?

That's just it. Everyone is after a "victory," even over the most inane things. On a niche gaming forum's politics sub-section no less....

[Kellhound]

The word is "misanthrope" and we're aware that it's quite in vogue to justify reprehensible political opinions. Mostly among edgy white dudes in PHIL and POL 101, but a few people seem not to be able to grow out of it for reasons.

Can't be accused of unethical behavior if one has no ethics, after all.

I dislike portions of society, but then so do you. I do not avoid it however.

I went to POL 400 and CR 300 levels actually.

Ethics are a social construct, and valid only within the society that creates them.

[Endus]

I dislike portions of society, but then so do you. I do not avoid it however.

I went to POL 400 and CR 300 levels actually.

Ethics are a social construct, and valid only within the society that creates them.

So is language, and economics, and law, and social cues, and so forth.

Pretty much everything but grunting at each other and hitting people that bother us is a "social construct".

[Kellhound]

So is language, and economics, and law, and social cues, and so forth.

Pretty much everything but grunting at each other and hitting people that bother us is a "social construct".

Yes, your point? Ethics are not a universal law, they very (often greatly) from group to group.

[Felya]

Yes, your point? Ethics are not a universal law, they very (often greatly) from group to group.

Ethics is simply a way to distinguish the trust worthy, from those that aren’t. It’s not a law... it just explains the negative perception, when lack of ethics is on display. If you follow the unethical, you won’t break any laws, but you will be complaining about the result...

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So is language, and economics, and law, and social cues, and so forth.

Pretty much everything but grunting at each other and hitting people that bother us is a "social construct".

We need to fix the social order, where lying is no longer socially constructed as pejorative.

[Zaktar]

Yes, your point? Ethics are not a universal law, they very (often greatly) from group to group.

More curious about your point - ethics are not a universal law: so what? Are you trying to imply that we should discard them because of that?

[Drutt]

They are rounding up people by the droves now, which is excellent. The charges are pretty blasé though - nothing regarding any of the deaths or charges related. It's possible they are waiting on those more severe charges, which makes sense - no need to rush them once the terrorists have been arrested.

I suspect they might be holding off to potentially stop Trump from issuing pardons for the more serious crimes. Wait until Biden is in, then drop the really serious stuff.

[Felya]

More curious about your point - ethics are not a universal law: so what? Are you trying to imply that we should discard them because of that?

The argument is that what we accept in general as ethical, is a social construct, to imply there is a different way. It’s a strange spin on ‘greater good’ or downright arguing that corruption would be fine, if socially accepted it as a norm. Which is strange...

[cubby]

I suspect they might be holding off to potentially stop Trump from issuing pardons for the more serious crimes. Wait until Biden is in, then drop the really serious stuff.

That is also my suspicion. Better to wait until the Emperor with No Clothes is out and then get down to business with adults running the room.

[Milchshake]

The argument is that what we accept in general as ethical, is a social construct, to imply there is a different way. It’s a strange spin on ‘greater good’ or downright arguing that corruption would be fine, if socially accepted it as a norm. Which is strange...

A fool's errand to argue ethics with any such conservative. They can only formulate ethics as such;
Ethics should encumber any minorities
Ethics should grant me privileges.

See Justice Alito’s concurrence in Ricci.

[Endus]

Yes, your point? Ethics are not a universal law, they very (often greatly) from group to group.

My point is that nothing is a "universal law". It's all social constructs. Every single thing about humanity that has allowed us to develop beyond living in caves and hiding from predators boils down to "social constructs". That something is a social construct does not mean it's less "real" than any other. Saying "but ethics is just a social construct" is no different than saying "but pedophilia is just a social construct". It isn't a defense of whatever you're trying to argue. Of course it's a social construct. So are laws about murder. So is the language we're using to discuss this. So is the concept of art. So? Why does that matter?

[Gelannerai]

My point is that nothing is a "universal law". It's all social constructs. Every single thing about humanity that has allowed us to develop beyond living in caves and hiding from predators boils down to "social constructs". That something is a social construct does not mean it's less "real" than any other. Saying "but ethics is just a social construct" is no different than saying "but pedophilia is just a social construct". It isn't a defense of whatever you're trying to argue. Of course it's a social construct. So are laws about murder. So is the language we're using to discuss this. So is the concept of art. So? Why does that matter?

It boils down to moral relativism, which any philosopher worth their salt will tell you is an absolute non-starter as far as a platform for debate is concerned. It attempts to argue from a stance of moral authority that, er, there are no moral authorities. It’s a completely self-defeating argument that some people desperately cling to to avoid actually having to face the shitty choices that they’ve made/supported.

[TigTone]

It boils down to moral relativism, which any philosopher worth their salt will tell you is an absolute non-starter as far as a platform for debate is concerned. It attempts to argue from a stance of moral authority that, er, there are no moral authorities. It’s a completely self-defeating argument that some people desperately cling to to avoid actually having to face the shitty choices that they’ve made/supported.

Sounds like cognitive dissonance.

[cubby]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is on fire this week, calling for Sen Cruz and Hawley to resign. Stating that the Georgia elections proved that southern states aren't "red" states but in fact suppressed states. Her statements sound more and more statesman-like as she grows into her role.

[S]he said that Democrats’ U.S. Senate wins in Georgia were a result of “multi-racial” and “multi-cultural” grassroots organization and a sign that “southern states are not red states, they are suppressed states. Which means the only way that our country’s going to heal is through the actual liberation of southern states,” she said. “The actual liberation of the poor, the actual liberation of working people from economic, social, and racial oppression. That’s the only way.

Hard to disagree.