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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    I was just reading through this thread of FBI interviewing suspects in the Capitol terrorist attack. They're all just soooooo fucking stupid.
    Well I mean, the main operant factor is that they're Trump supporters, sooooo...

    I guess if nothing else it makes the FBI's jobs incredibly easy. Hell, this likely could have been avoided entirely (for as much as these rubes were talking about it prior to it happening) if requisite policing bodies had actually taken the notion seriously. But as has been said... they didn't figure white people with guns would be an issue, obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Uh, that's not true at all. The House still advances the interests of the more populous states, simply because those interests are naturally the same as those of the people who reside in those states.



    There have been examples given in this discussion already. But it could be anything, though quite often it would be seen in the disparity of government support for industries found in low- and high-population areas. More tax-cuts for companies that do well in big cities, but none for those who operate in more rural areas, that kind of thing.

    It doesn't happen that often these days because of the Senate's existence.



    Why do I need to repeat everything we've just been talking about?

    Without the Senate, there's no check on the power of the majority. Without the House, there's an imbalance of power favoring the minority. With both, they have a tendency to oscillate, as too much in one direction tends to force a push back in the other, keeping things balanced.

    Honestly, I'd be fine if the Senate had some less authority/power than the House, as long as they could provide the same check to the House, because I think the majority is more often correct than the minority, though not always.

    Counter question: why do you think the majority is always correct? What's the worst thing you can imagine with only a population-representative legislature?
    Yeah, this is pointless, without examples I can't actually talk about this at all. Sorry for wasting your time, I don't have the time to search this thread for examples of house and or senate votes on state matters. The only thing I can take from this is that your system seems to be a bit broken if there's a disparity in government support depending on where those industries are compared to how fucked they are.

    I don't think the majority is always correct, I just think that the senate/house system is outdated and not a good check&balance anymore. Senators in my mind have way too much power. There should be an independent apolitical group that checks every legislation before (or depending on the urgency, after) it's going to the votes for key issues like discrimination and overall impact.

    Also, the time between handing-over of office should be as short as possible without the "losing" party being able to still implement laws and regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Well I mean, the main operant factor is that they're Trump supporters, sooooo...
    The issue with this type of blanket reductive criticism is summarized pretty well by Russell Brand here (link to relevant time slot). Sure these people are kind of dumb, a lot are racists and they lack any critical understanding of how Trump was for them personally. BUT, as an expression of existential anger at vast amounts of wealth being stolen from them I have a hard time disagreeing with that aspect of their movement:

    youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY?t=268

    I find it sinister the way this issue is marginalized so people go back to their favourite subject: identity politics. Blacks think black, whites think white and the ruling class cleans up by thinking green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voicelander View Post
    The issue with this type of blanket reductive criticism is summarized pretty well by Russell Brand here (link to relevant time slot). Sure these people are kind of dumb, a lot are racists and they lack any critical understanding of how Trump was for them personally. BUT, as an expression of existential anger at vast amounts of wealth being stolen from them I have a hard time disagreeing with that aspect of things:

    youtu.be/orad8gIfCiY?t=268

    I find it sinister the way this issue is marginalized so people go back to their favourite subject: identity politics. Blacks think black, whites think white and the ruling class cleans up by thinking green.
    Vast amount of wealth are being stolen from them, so they voted in the millionaire grifter that spent 4 years stealing as much money as possible, and the conservative party who's modus operandi is to fuck the general population and enrich the rich even more.

    As Keleredar said, the entire group is dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Vast amount of wealth are being stolen from them, so they voted in the millionaire grifter that spent 4 years stealing as much money as possible, and the conservative party who's modus operandi is to fuck the general population and enrich the rich even more.

    As Keleredar said, the entire group is dumb.
    Yes but you people want to vote in a democrat party that wants to fuck the general population and enrich the rich even more. You didn't give those people any alternatives or even pretend to address their concerns. What did you expect? Of course if you write that group off then they are going to support any narrative which addresses their concerns-whether its dumb or not. This was like a ghost dance for under-educated white people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voicelander View Post
    Yes but you people want to vote in a democrat party that wants to fuck the general population and enrich the rich even more. You didn't give those people any alternatives or even pretend to address their concerns. What did you expect? Of course if you write that group off then they are going to support any narrative which addresses their concerns-whether its dumb or not. This was like a ghost dance for under-educated white people.
    lol, wut? The Democrat party is the one talking about raising the taxes, especially those taxes of the rich. What you're saying makes absolutely no sense unless you've been brainwashed and normally reside in an echo chamber consisting of Shitfart and Faux News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voicelander View Post
    Yes but you people want to vote in a democrat party that wants to fuck the general population and enrich the rich even more. You didn't give those people any alternatives or even pretend to address their concerns. What did you expect? Of course if you write that group off then they are going to support any narrative which addresses their concerns-whether its dumb or not. This was like a ghost dance for under-educated white people.
    Democrats in the House led by Pelosi put a bill that was a $2k stimulus bill for the general population. Republicans in the Senate led by McConnell blocked it. This is not the only example of democrats trying to funnel money to Trump supporters as well as non-Trump supporters throughout the country and republicans blocking it, it is only the most recent example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voicelander View Post
    Yes but you people want to vote in a democrat party that wants to fuck the general population and enrich the rich even more. You didn't give those people any alternatives or even pretend to address their concerns. What did you expect? Of course if you write that group off then they are going to support any narrative which addresses their concerns-whether its dumb or not. This was like a ghost dance for under-educated white people.
    Democrats have been campaigning on raising the minimum wage, providing affordable or free healthcare, forgiving college loans, making higher education more accessible, and paying for it all by raising taxes on the wealthy.

    How do you keep voting for the Sheriff of Nottingham and then turn around and call Robin Hood an elitist? Christ, Republican voters are dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    Democrats have been campaigning on raising the minimum wage, providing affordable or free healthcare, forgiving college loans, making higher education more accessible, and paying for it all by raising taxes on the wealthy.

    How do you keep voting for the Sheriff of Nottingham and then turn around and call Robin Hood an elitist? Christ, Republican voters are dumb.
    I don't think he's a republican voter. I think that's the guy who attacks anyone who in the UK isn't sucking off Jeremy Corbyn metaphorically and anyone slightly to the right of Corbyn is a far right loon in his eyes.

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    Twitter asshole Baked Alaska has been arrested for being part of the Capitol riot.

    So on the whole I'd say it's a pretty good start to the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Twitter asshole Baked Alaska has been arrested for being part of the Capitol riot.

    So on the whole I'd say it's a pretty good start to the weekend.
    It’s always hilarious when someone livestreams a crime and then tries to hide from the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    Twitter asshole Baked Alaska has been arrested for being part of the Capitol riot.

    So on the whole I'd say it's a pretty good start to the weekend.
    The FBI is also using his livestream he did while in the Capitol to track down others involved in this. Their own stupidity is backfiring on them hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    The FBI is also using his livestream he did while in the Capitol to track down others involved in this. Their own stupidity is backfiring on them hard.
    Gotta love that. I especially enjoyed women using dating sites to get men to not only admit they were at the Capital Issurrection, but to send them pictures of them there, which the women then turned over to the FBI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It’s always hilarious when someone livestreams a crime and then tries to hide from the consequences.
    It's a leftover from following their dear leader, who has lived his entire life breaking any law he feels is in his way, entirely without consequence.

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    American Thinker apologizes to Dominion after getting letter from defamation attorneys

    Conservative opinion website American Thinker on Friday issued a statement apologizing for printing false claims about Dominion Voting Systems after the voting machine company’s lawyers accused the blog of defamation.

    American Thinker editor and publisher Thomas Lifson posted an online statement saying that the website had received a “lengthy letter from Dominion's defamation lawyers explaining why they believe that their client has been the victim of defamatory statements.”

    Lifson said that, “Having considered the full import of the letter,” he admitted that several pieces on the website “falsely accuse” Dominion “of conspiring to steal the November 2020 election from Donald Trump.”


    Translation: "Please do not sue us for billions of dollars like you did with Powell."

    Trump next. I bet Dominion is just waiting until he step down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Gotta love that. I especially enjoyed women using dating sites to get men to not only admit they were at the Capital Issurrection, but to send them pictures of them there, which the women then turned over to the FBI.

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    It's a leftover from following their dear leader, who has lived his entire life breaking any law he feels is in his way, entirely without consequence.
    What kind of strikes me is... why they thought they were going to get away with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    American Thinker apologizes to Dominion after getting letter from defamation attorneys



    Translation: "Please do not sue us for billions of dollars like you did with Powell."

    Trump next. I bet Dominion is just waiting until he step down.
    ...Does begrudgingly apologizing because your arm got twisted get you out of a lawsuit? It's not like the damage to Dominion's reputation wasn't done, or undone by this admission.

    Hell, they even admitted to the wrongdoing. Hopefully Dominion goes full-speed ahead on suing their asses. The only thing that'll scare these tabloid rags masquerading as news is to see another one of their own sued into oblivion.
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    Kaleredar is right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    What kind of strikes me is... why they thought they were going to get away with it?
    That is a little disconcerting. I mean, if this was all planned ahead of time, which the FBI is starting to see in the larger picture (including help from inside the Capital Building), then perhaps they did expect to get away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    American Thinker apologizes to Dominion after getting letter from defamation attorneys



    Translation: "Please do not sue us for billions of dollars like you did with Powell."

    Trump next. I bet Dominion is just waiting until he step down.
    Legally speaking they are Totally Fucked. That is a term of art btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    American Thinker apologizes to Dominion after getting letter from defamation attorneys



    Translation: "Please do not sue us for billions of dollars like you did with Powell."

    Trump next. I bet Dominion is just waiting until he step down.
    They also apparently closed their comments section across the site, likely because they knew their conspiracy loving base would freak out at being told point blank that they were being lied to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    That is a little disconcerting. I mean, if this was all planned ahead of time, which the FBI is starting to see in the larger picture (including help from inside the Capital Building), then perhaps they did expect to get away with it.
    Not sure how much thought was occurring at the mob/livestreaming level. I think a lot of those people were just in a frenzy of anger, ignorance, and arguments like "it's the people's house!!11"

    For the people who clearly planned ahead of time and brought things like zip tie handcuffs, or did things like reconnoiter the capitol building and rip out panic buttons... That implies a level of forethought that definitely includes consideration of the consequences. They were gambling that they would win, Trump would be president, and there would be no consequences for the people who caused that to happen by killing elected officials. There's probably some overlap between the two groups because if you think you're going to get away with it, then you want to document it for the history books and grandkids, right? It's sickening to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    That is a little disconcerting. I mean, if this was all planned ahead of time, which the FBI is starting to see in the larger picture (including help from inside the Capital Building), then perhaps they did expect to get away with it.
    Well I don't even necessarily mean "they thought they'd be successful in installing Trump as the president." I'm sure some of them thought that was possible, but I have to think most of them were just there to try and make a fuss and impotently protest the election results in some feeble attempt to save face at Trump having lost, whether that take the form of generic protest, property destruction, or even planned violence. I think most of them were just there to make noise, and I'd think that most of them knew that.

    By "getting away with it" I mean more that, by simply breaking into the capitol, and then dispersing (after which they continued to brag,) and then being surprised when the Feds come knocking, they thought what... they'd just get a mulligan on it? The FBI would look at what they did in breaking into a federal building and go "Oh those Trump supporters, always causing mischief!" and just sort of let the whole thing go by? Clearly, these are not people who are used to facing consequences for their actions in their lives. They thought that their "true patriotic actions" would give them free reign to do whatever.

    But of course maybe I'm giving them too much credit. It's almost as if these stooges don't plan or think things through. Hence them voting for Trump, of course. They're the personification of the "Step 3: ???, Step 4: Profit" meme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    That is a little disconcerting. I mean, if this was all planned ahead of time, which the FBI is starting to see in the larger picture (including help from inside the Capital Building), then perhaps they did expect to get away with it.

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    Legally speaking they are Totally Fucked. That is a term of art btw.
    It would more disconcerting to me if it was NOT planned. I’d hate to think they got that far without planning and prefer it if that’s as far as they could get with planning.

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