Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Theodarzna]

But Trump doesn't act alone...

Do you see how silly some of your points are?

For some people, this is just their substitute for sports and allegiance to the team brand is a ritual of utmost importance.

[Machismo]

For some people, this is just their substitute for sports and allegiance to the team brand is a ritual of utmost importance.

But, it's already been proven where your allegiances lie. This seems like you are simply not practicing any self realization.

[Beefhammer]

@ Felya

Um, get over yourself? Read your posting history? A lot of what you state just isn't that compelling.

1, take you own advise.
2, if he was the least desirable candidate then how the fuck did he get more votes than the rest?
3, seriously read #1 again and apply it.

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Bold is just horseshit.
Sanders problem, what had always been his problem, was that he wasn't a part of the Democratic Party. He was generally just in an alliance with them. He couldn't affect change from within the party since he wasn't part of it.
So this whole paragraph doesn't make sense. If he had wanted to change the party, he would have been a member of it and worked for it. Not for himself.

Not to mention not many liked him in the senate and was notoriously difficult to work with.

[Orange Joe]

For some people, this is just their substitute for sports and allegiance to the team brand is a ritual of utmost importance.

Says the person eating every word Trumps team puts out as gospel.... lmfao..


Your hypocrisy is so blatant it's very amusing when you try to pretend to be impartial.

[Felya]

For some people, this is just their substitute for sports and allegiance to the team brand is a ritual of utmost importance.

If I don’t like Biden and am voting for him to stop Trump... how is it about teams? If it was about policy and not teams, the vote of Tulsi and Bernie supporters is clear. You sacrifice your allegiance to vote Biden, to stop Trump. Sooooo.... hypocrites...

[beanman12345]

For some people, this is just their substitute for sports and allegiance to the team brand is a ritual of utmost importance.

Yes for some people. Those people are you and your fellow hardcore conservative conspiracy theory loving trump supporters, and nobody else.

[Felya]

Your hypocrisy is so blatant it's very amusing when you try to pretend to be impartial.

It’s also a bizarre premise. It creates a paradigm, where the only legitimate choices is to abstain or vote against your interest. Everything else makes you a subservient shill. I think if placed in any other context, it’s a lot more strange. Like drinks... on one hand you have a bottle of piss and on the other is Mountain Dew... I realize that rhetorically both are the same... but, realistically... are you going to risk drinking piss because both choices are ‘the same’?

[AntiFascistVoter]

Justin Amash is out!

Representative Justin Amash of Michigan announced on Saturday that he would not pursue the Libertarian Party’s nomination for president, bringing an end to his extended flirtation with a third-party candidacy that could have introduced a new element of uncertainty into the race between President Trump and former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The remaining third party candidates include:

• An anti-Vaxxer
• An Assad Apologist
• Some nut that wants to blow up what remains of the economy

So if you run into a person that desperately wants a third party. Walk away for your own safety.

[beanman12345]

Justin Amash is out!

Representative Justin Amash of Michigan announced on Saturday that he would not pursue the Libertarian Party’s nomination for president, bringing an end to his extended flirtation with a third-party candidacy that could have introduced a new element of uncertainty into the race between President Trump and former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The remaining third party candidates include:

• An anti-Vaxxer
• An Assad Apologist
• Some nut that wants to blow up what remains of the economy

So if you run into a person that desperately wants a third party. Walk away for your own safety.

Then it looks like the entire race comes down to turn out, although it already did to the most part, this just solidifies it more. Primaries have been a mixed bag so it's hard to gauge enthusiasm, but if turnout is as bad as 2016, trump wins, if it's higher, he'll lose bigly.

[Gray_Matter]

Between Biden and Trump, I simply do not care who wins.

Let's assume for a moment that the current administration wins again. How do you propose to swing a 6-3 or even 7-2 SCOTUS back to the left? Any progressive president would need a more moderate SCOTUS to achieve anything tangible because everything would get blocked by the courts. That's just SCOTUS. The current administration appointed as many circuit court judges in 3 years as Obama did in 8 years. A lot of those judges were appointed in blue states too. All of those are lifetime appointments.

For SCOTUS, the left would be fortunate to swing a 6-3 court back to 5-4 (conservative-liberal) in 10 years. It would probably take 30-40 years to swing a 7-2 court liberal and that would take a lot of luck.

I really don't understand the "burn it all down" mentality. Every time a conservative takes over the progressives end up taking many steps backwards. Climate, etc. all take a big knock.

The Democratic party and the country as a whole has been trending left for a while now. It's not fast but it is happening. From a progressive standpoint, the Democratic nominations to the courts are way left of the GOP's nominations. Just compare RBG to Thomas. These are the people that ultimately decide what is allowed. They are the ones that can ban gerrymandering, etc. The right never split their vote like the left do. All of the hard core conservatives fall in line behind the nominee and they vote in much larger percentages than the left do.

If the youth want people to take notice then they need to get out and vote. Right now, if you have a democratic nominee that has to choose between what the youth want, who have a 30% voter turnout, and let's say, African American woman, who have a > 70% voter turnout in elections, what demographic do you think they are going to tailor their policies towards? The youth need to at least be voting at the same level as the middle age people. Even when they don't like the candidate. If the youth turn out in those numbers then you can be sure that politicians will very quickly be changing their message.

This also applies to down ballot. There are red districts and there are blue districts and there are districts that are purple. Sticking a hard core progressive in a purple district is a recipe for disaster. The moderate candidate might only vote in favor of progressive ideals 70% of the time but that is much better than 10% of the time that progressives will get with a conservative. By all means, push the progressives in blue districts and blue states. California is a good example of a state that can get away with a very progressive candidate. Pushing one in Ohio doesn't make any sense at all.

Who is presently controlling the agenda in US politics? Mitch McConnell. Controlling the agenda is more important than almost anything.

[breadisfunny]

i would like to know how exactly the democratic party has been trending left as whole if they keep trying to run center right candidates trying to appeal to the right/far right. they've been doing this for the last 26 years at least since bill clinton. the only exception being al gore and bernie sanders along with elizabeth warren but the first one didn't win because of electoral shenanigans. and the last two failed to win the primaries so they don't really count.

[Gray_Matter]

i would like to know how exactly the democratic party has been trending left as whole if they keep trying to run center right candidates trying to appeal to the right/far right. they've been doing this for the last 26 years at least since bill clinton. the only exception being al gore and bernie sanders along with elizabeth warren but the first one didn't win because of electoral shenanigans. and the last two failed to win the primaries so they don't really count.

The democratic party can mean different things.

Firstly, if you look at the voters who are in democratic party. Over 50% of them now see themselves as liberal (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...fy-as-liberal/).

Second, we have the politicians. In blue states, more democratic party woman are holding political office (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ot-everywhere/). Woman are more liberal than men on average. Finally, we have people like AOC who are part of the Democratic party. They can't be excluded because they are progressives. You can also look at what blue states are doing compared to red states (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-total-power/). It's chalk and cheese. As a whole, the Democratic party is much more liberal than it was before. Sure, there are still some old conservative codgers in the party but its certainly moving left.

Now, if you ask the question, why didn't a progressive win the nomination this time around, I think that's a different matter. I think the following had an impact:

1. Bernie, and some of his supporters, are polarizing. That's hurts him. He lost a lot of political capital in the 2016 election because he pushed things all the way through to the convention and kept attacking Clinton instead of getting behind Clinton earlier. I am not saying that he was right or wrong in what he did, I am just saying that it had an impact on his support.
2. Bernie made a few tactical errors by attacking the establishment so much when he was ahead. I don't think it was the difference between him winning and losing but I don't think it helped him.
3. There are moderates in the Democratic Party that were very nervous of a Bernie ticket. This is not because of some great conspiracy, it's because it would have made their races much more difficult. They would have been attacked as "socialist".
4. People in the Democratic Party are so desperate to defeat Trump that they preferred more moderate candidates.
5. I think the progressives missed a trick. I really think that Warren would have had a much better chance of winning the nomination if the progressives had gotten behind her around the time that Bernie had his heart attack. She has been very careful not to paint herself as being socialist. She pushed mostly policies that were very popular among the general population. The moderates didn't get behind her when she was peaking because they weren't sure but she was palatable to them as a whole. Much more so than Bernie. Had Warren been in Bernie's position before Super Tuesday then I think she would have won.

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One more thing, this chart will give you a good indication of why moderate candidates are still more popular to the DP.



While the majority of the Democratic party members are liberal. Under 30% of the US population is.

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And this link should be a big incentive to any progressive to turn out and vote for Democratic Party politicians - https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-total-power/

Blue states (that's the ones run by the same Democratic Party that the hard core "burn it all down" supporters hate) are much better for working class people. You can't even compare the two types of states.

[Tuinip]

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Now, if you ask the question, why didn't a progressive win the nomination this time around, I think that's a different matter. I think the following had an impact:

1. Bernie, and some of his supporters, are polarizing. That's hurts him. He lost a lot of political capital in the 2016 election because he pushed things all the way through to the convention and kept attacking Clinton instead of getting behind Clinton earlier. I am not saying that he was right or wrong in what he did, I am just saying that it had an impact on his support.
2. Bernie made a few tactical errors by attacking the establishment so much when he was ahead. I don't think it was the difference between him winning and losing but I don't think it helped him.
3. There are moderates in the Democratic Party that were very nervous of a Bernie ticket. This is not because of some great conspiracy, it's because it would have made their races much more difficult. They would have been attacked as "socialist".
4. People in the Democratic Party are so desperate to defeat Trump that they preferred more moderate candidates.
5. I think the progressives missed a trick. I really think that Warren would have had a much better chance of winning the nomination if the progressives had gotten behind her around the time that Bernie had his heart attack. She has been very careful not to paint herself as being socialist. She pushed mostly policies that were very popular among the general population. The moderates didn't get behind her when she was peaking because they weren't sure but she was palatable to them as a whole. Much more so than Bernie. Had Warren been in Bernie's position before Super Tuesday then I think she would have won.

Every election everywhere in the world some moderate comes up with some bullshit list of rationalizations as to why the "left" puts up some obviously vile being such as Biden, it gets very tiresome to listen to.

The truth is very simple. IT IS ABOUT MONEY. The corporate democrats have corporate money behind them and control the media. So they can brainwash people into voting for them however retarded that option might be. It is not any more complicated than that. People with billions of dollars decide things. The only confusing part is how Sanders got so close to the nomination in the first place.

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I really don't understand the "burn it all down" mentality.

Then a) try being alive for 45 years and seeing how useless "moderates" are in office, and b) getting your information from something other than television.

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And this link should be a big incentive to any progressive to turn out and vote for Democratic Party politicians -

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Corporate democrat shill website thinks corporate democrats are great shock.

[Felya]

The remaining third party candidates include:

• An anti-Vaxxer
• An Assad Apologist
• Some nut that wants to blow up what remains of the economy
• Zombie turbines

Fixed to include Vermine Supreme.

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Corporate democrat shill website thinks corporate democrats are great shock.

Aren’t you a successful, foreign business owner, that doesn’t pay taxes? Shouldn’t people do the opposite of what you claim?

[Tuinip]

Representative Justin Amash of Michigan announced on Saturday that he would not pursue the Libertarian Party’s nomination for president, bringing an end to his extended flirtation with a third-party candidacy that could have introduced a new element of uncertainty into the race between President Trump and former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

The remaining third party candidates include:

• An anti-Vaxxer
• An Assad Apologist
• Some nut that wants to blow up what remains of the economy

So if you run into a person that desperately wants a third party. Walk away for your own safety.

They sound like dream candidates next to an old-school segregationist homophobic anti-abortionist warmonger accused of rape.

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The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell

The fact that you use this quote with no self-awareness at all is deeply ironic.

[Elegiac]

They sound like dream candidates next to an old-school segregationist homophobic anti-abortionist warmonger accused of rape.

Uh huh. And how many rubles per word do you earn, exactly?

[Theodarzna]

Says the person eating every word Trumps team puts out as gospel.... lmfao..


Your hypocrisy is so blatant it's very amusing when you try to pretend to be impartial.

I think I alone can actually prove I've once had anything negative to say about the team people claim I'm on but when tasked with proving their claim can't do so.

[Tuinip]

Uh huh. And how many rubles per word do you earn, exactly?

I imagine if I were a Putin shill I'd support the status quo, which is causing hundreds of thousands of your countrymen die from lack of health insurance.

Come to think of it-how many people have ISIS killed in the US? A tiny fraction of those that died because of nationalized healthcare. Some patriot you are. Neo-liberal apologists have killed way more Americans than your foreign enemies could even dream of. If you want to find America's existential enemy look in the mirror, Jeb.

[Orange Joe]

I think I alone can actually prove I've once had anything negative to say about the team people claim I'm on but when tasked with proving their claim can't do so.

Yet you believe Obama gate with no evidence. Biden assault claims with no evidence. And demand proof for anything bad about Trump.

Your blatant hypocrisy is easy for anyone with an iq of 10 to see.

[Elegiac]

I imagine if I were a Putin shill I'd support the status quo, which is causing hundreds of thousands of your countrymen die from lack of health insurance.

I fail to see how you aren't doing this by supporting an anti-vaxx candidate during the middle of a pandemic.