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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    No one gives a shit about burnouts because they're not reliable and they're incredibly toxic. His supporters hurt bernie at the polls with too many other voters. I caucused for bernie in 2016, so it's not like I don't want someone who's more progressive than biden. I'm just not an idiot who thinks bernie and his supporters are a vehicle capable of effecting any change.
    Bernie’s campaign has been taken over by a faction that believes US is comfortably numb and needs a jolt to wake up from its corporate stasis. As a result, when Bernie, the way to achieve their change through voting, failed. The believe that another 4 years of Trump, is the wake up call America needs, so someone like Bernie is voted in next time. Outside of it failing once in 2016, since Bernie did worse after 3 years of Trump, they believe this time it will work.

    Edit: The problem being... Trump is farther away from Bernie on the authoritarian -> libertarian scale, than the wide economic one. Meaning, the major authoritarian changes by Trump, will make it more difficult to achieve economic goals in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    So he is pretty much saying he won't try. So even worse than Obama? Whats even the point if all the bombings/drone striking will go, if guantanamo wont be shut down? If the US will keep on backing coups/fascist governments?
    Stop confusing people with policies. Only personalities matter to the double-digit IQ crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    So he is pretty much saying he won't try. So even worse than Obama? Whats even the point if all the bombings/drone striking will go, if guantanamo wont be shut down? If the US will keep on backing coups/fascist governments?
    Stop confusing people with policies. Only personalities matter to the double-digit IQ crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hathlast View Post
    Stop confusing people with policies. Only personalities matter to the double-digit IQ crowd.
    Are you trying to make a point. or what?
    This forum makes it way to easy to make alt-accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    About the same as they where in 2016. lol! And he can loose say Michigan, Penn, and if he wins all the rest, he still gets to 270. He will win Indiana and Ohio I am pretty sure.

    But I was wrong in 2016. I felt pretty sure he was going to loose.
    It is "lose", fucktard. Did they have books in your schools Jeb? Or did you just go straight to fucking livestock and incest down there in Hicksville?

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardi...16200334737408
    Lol so does this confirm that The Other Biden is running 3rd party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulsi2024 View Post
    https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardi...16200334737408
    Lol so does this confirm that The Other Biden is running 3rd party?
    Listen here Jack. Cut the malarkey. He obviously did not expect to be on the call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulsi2024 View Post
    https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardi...16200334737408
    Lol so does this confirm that The Other Biden is running 3rd party?
    Oh ffs. He said “Be Joe Biden”
    “Who else should he be”

    It’s a common way of saying “I’m going to be myself”. For instance in 2015 when the Royals won the World Series, they won by playing small ball, and with aggressive base running. They didn’t try to be a power slugging team. It was common to say that the Royals needed to be the Royals to win.

    This isn’t hard. Try criticizing Biden for something real, like his stupid “not black” remarks. (Although the people who have the vapors over this didn’t seem to have the vapors over Trump saying that Jews who vote Democrat aren’t real Jews)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Believe women when they make an accusation. Support them. But investigate the credibility of their claims. In this instance, they seem quite questionable, at least the more extreme allegations that Biden digitally penetrated her. I doubt you'll find anyone who would argue that he did "nothing" at all, and the claims that he made her feel uncomfortable with some of his behavior are perfectly reasonable given his public behavior. But that does not rise to the level of a crime...
    I am on the record as being no great fan of this ID politics stuff, so I generally agree with what you have up there. That said, I DO have a problem with the insane degree of hypocrisy currently on display with everyone involved in the Democratic party. I'm just going to link one thing below, but there have been dozens of op-eds, etc about how one can still vote Biden even though he's been accused of sexual assault. Of course, there was some MSNBC talking head that said no accused person should hold public office, and of course now she works for Biden. It's just stupid to blindly support this terrible, awful candidate in this fashion. It renders any genuine concern for the "me too" movement generally and victims of sexual assault more specifically as something done with the utmost insincerity and purely for the sake of political expediency.

    Aforementioned link:
    We Should Take Women’s Accusations Seriously. But Tara Reade’s Fall Short.

    "I would vote for Joe Biden if he boiled babies and ate them. He wasn’t my candidate, but taking back the White House is that important....I cannot believe that a rational person can grasp the disaster that is Donald Trump and withhold their support from Biden because of Tara Reade."

    https://www.thenation.com/article/po...e-allegations/
    Okay, Biden zombie. Noted.

    I'm still not voting for this guy:
    https://www.reddit.com/user/ubmt1861...opypaste_with/

    Scroll down for the easy hyperlink version after the text version. That's a long, long, long history of some deeply offensive Biden bullshit and not just telling off some black fellow the other morning. Although, it is interesting that the Dem best and brightest is an endless gaffe machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louisa Bannon View Post
    I am on the record as being no great fan of this ID politics stuff, so I generally agree with what you have up there. That said, I DO have a problem with the insane degree of hypocrisy currently on display with everyone involved in the Democratic party. I'm just going to link one thing below, but there have been dozens of op-eds, etc about how one can still vote Biden even though he's been accused of sexual assault. Of course, there was some MSNBC talking head that said no accused person should hold public office, and of course now she works for Biden. It's just stupid to blindly support this terrible, awful candidate in this fashion. It renders any genuine concern for the "me too" movement generally and victims of sexual assault more specifically as something done with the utmost insincerity and purely for the sake of political expediency.

    Aforementioned link:


    Okay, Biden zombie. Noted.

    I'm still not voting for this guy:
    https://www.reddit.com/user/ubmt1861...opypaste_with/

    Scroll down for the easy hyperlink version after the text version. That's a long, long, long history of some deeply offensive Biden bullshit and not just telling off some black fellow the other morning. Although, it is interesting that the Dem best and brightest is an endless gaffe machine.
    If Republicans can ignore Trump's racist and sexist gaffs why should Democrats care about Biden's shortcomings? There isn't a third party or candidate that's going to win so what's your alternative? You can hem and haw about Biden's character but who really gives a shit at this point? Conservatives don't care so why should Democrats, especially when it comes at the expense of the re-election of someone with worse character and behavior than the guy you're railing against?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louisa Bannon View Post
    I am on the record as being no great fan of this ID politics stuff, so I generally agree with what you have up there.
    Then you're always going to be on the outside. The Democratic Party is a coalition party that works on a number of different axes, and trying to blow that up in favor of focusing on class and economics just shit the bed. Either coalition up or get left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulsi2024 View Post
    https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardi...16200334737408
    Lol so does this confirm that The Other Biden is running 3rd party?
    He said 'be' not 'beat'. Now continue on pretending to be a leftist or whatever your shtick is.

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    I never knew I wanted to see a fist fight between Joe Biden and Joe Biden before now.

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    Bad enough that Biden said what he did during the interview about, if you do not vote for me, you are not black, but he also flat out lied about the NAACP endorsing him every single time he has ran for office......https://www.naacp.org/latest/naacp-s...ent-joe-biden/

    Derrick Johnson, president and CEO of the NAACP, made the following statement about a remark by former Vice President Joe Biden during his Friday morning interview on “The Breakfast Club.”

    “Yesterday, former Vice President Joe Biden made a comment about the NAACP’s endorsement. We want to clarify that the NAACP is a non-partisan organization and does not endorse candidates for political office at any level. Persons affiliated with the NAACP at the national, state, and local levels are free to make candidate endorsements in a personal capacity, but they do not reflect support by the NAACP as an organization. The NAACP has one mission and that is fighting for and advancing our Black communities towards an equitable reality. Our primary focus at this moment is to ensure that our communities that have been victims of domestic terrorism and disproportionately impacted by this pandemic have the opportunity to cast their powerful vote come November.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    If Republicans can ignore Trump's racist and sexist gaffs why should Democrats care about Biden's shortcomings? There isn't a third party or candidate that's going to win so what's your alternative? You can hem and haw about Biden's character but who really gives a shit at this point? Conservatives don't care so why should Democrats, especially when it comes at the expense of the re-election of someone with worse character and behavior than the guy you're railing against?
    Except it has been the Democrat's whole position to claim to be better than the GOP. That's why they have been virtue signaling all this time whenever a Republican fucks up. This whataboutism of "hurr hurr GOPs ignore all of Trump's shit" is absurd. Biden isnt running against Trump in a GOP primary.

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    McConnel: " Im going to fight to stop federal aid and let companies take no blame for their poor standards"

    Im fascinated by the people who pretend to be above identity politics and about class attempt to justify why the GOP is even getting votes

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    McConnel: " Im going to fight to stop federal aid and let companies take no blame for their poor standards"

    Im fascinated by the people who pretend to be above identity politics and about class attempt to justify why the GOP is even getting votes
    Same reason people vote for neo-liberals, they only care about themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunksee View Post
    Yup I am because this is the exact thing that if Trump said it you would attack and laugh about.
    Seeing as Trump has said similar stuff is this you admitting trump is a racist? I mean Trump just said this about a known anti semitic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spanishninja View Post
    Except it has been the Democrat's whole position to claim to be better than the GOP. That's why they have been virtue signaling all this time whenever a Republican fucks up. This whataboutism of "hurr hurr GOPs ignore all of Trump's shit" is absurd. Biden isnt running against Trump in a GOP primary.
    Republicans don't claim to be better than Democrats? They don't claim to be centered on a christian moral code? Get the fuck out of here.

    All of the conservative concern trolling and faux outrage over Biden's gaffs is absurd considering the shit Trump gets away with. If you want to try to claim the moral high ground, don't elect a reality TV show and rent-seeking conman to office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunismWillWin View Post
    Same reason people vote for neo-liberals, they only care about themselves.
    Yes, while your not voting is for whom exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spanishninja View Post
    Except it has been the Democrat's whole position to claim to be better than the GOP. That's why they have been virtue signaling all this time whenever a Republican fucks up. This whataboutism of "hurr hurr GOPs ignore all of Trump's shit" is absurd. Biden isnt running against Trump in a GOP primary.
    Comparing what Biden has even been accused of doing, to what Trump has done, as something remotely similar, is defending all the shit Trump has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    Seeing as Trump has said similar stuff is this you admitting trump is a racist? I mean Trump just said this about a known anti semitic.
    Similar? Trump said we are vicious and have no choice, but to vote for him, because we love money. He literally said that despite us not liking him, he doesn’t have to appeal to us, because we will vote for him because of money. Trump also never apologized...
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