Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[cubby]

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/22/2...-2020-election

Accurate. And it appears to be both the front page and he's going to blast ads in videos. I can't blame his campaign, that's a smart play.

But I WILL blame Congress and Google for this kind of bullshit. Money has no place in politics, and all candidates should get the same airtime and ad budgets, letting the "best" candidates win rather than giving an edge to those that raise more money.

And what are those DNC ads? The only ones I've seen going after Trump have all been from conservative groups like the Lincoln Project, at least the ones good enough to remember.

I agree about the money in politics. If we adopted Canada's election cycle right now I'd be thrilled.

I think I'm confusing the Lincoln Project group's ads with the so-far-non-existent DNC ads.

[Orange Joe]

Those are closer to the socialist values the liberals have imho. Trump wants the country to be a new normal. A self sufficient country not relying on any other nation for anything. We can be. I dont know of one thing another country produces that we cannot. We also have more scientific advances due to our military spending than any other country.

Say goodbye to most of your technology. There is a reason most tech is made in China and not a single smart phone is made in the US.

[Louisa Bannon]

Going into the election it must be understood that Trump has something like 45% of the electorate locked in. Sure, maybe we can finesse that number, but its going to be close to that regardless. It doesn't matter if he lies, shits the bed, grabs pussy, etc - his zombies will vote for him! What part of the shocking lack of information on the part of the average Trump zombie still surprises any of you? Over the weekend, this greedy, clearly secular asshole was rambling on about the need for "more prayer, not less." Reality has nothing to do with voting for Trump.

Biden utterly fails to create any enthusiasm for his candidacy whatever. He bumps around in his basement creating problems more than engaging anyone with whatever the hell he supposedly stands for except shit like:
* No medicare for all (during a pandemic!)
* (To Wall Street in a time of historic economic inequality) Nothing will fundamentally change
* If you don't vote for me, you ain't black

You can already see the Trump bounce because of how the pandemic is being turned into a political football. Apparently, Trump zombies will proudly die of Covid-19 just to "own the libs."

And hey, folks like Endus, when and if the jackass gets his second term. It will be the people having chosen him, right?

[Edge-]

* No medicare for all (during a pandemic!)

There are many reasons for that.

M4A enjoys broad, majority support. In theory. And all the polling backs that up. You see upwards of 70% of Americans on-board with the idea of M4A.

The rub comes in when you start talking about plans - the cost to taxpayers (even if you clarify this is shifting the costs from after the fact to before), the overall cost of the package, the potential loss of plans people may like now, potential impacts on access to things like elective surgeries and care, worries about wait times etc. etc. etc.

And to be honest, "during a pandemic!" isn't really a meaningful statement either. This wouldn't be anything that could be done quickly as it would require massive work to rework the health care payment and delivery systems, and would functionally kill off a large industry that employs millions. It's an industry that needs to go away, but it's also something you have to address so you don't suddenly have millions of newly unemployed people...alongside the millions that are currently newly unemployed. Couple that with the fact that hospitals would have to drastically alter how they operate both financially and in their delivery of care, and it's even more insane.

Whether or not you were suggesting some form of immediate implementation or not, that's a reality and I'm throwin it out there.

M4A is great, and I hope to see it in my lifetime. But I'm not expecting it anytime soon, nor should anyone else.

* (To Wall Street in a time of historic economic inequality) Nothing will fundamentally change

Depressingly, this is pretty accurate. It was also the general consensus of primary Democrats that they were fine with this, which is why Biden got the nomination.

* If you don't vote for me, you ain't black

As dumb and indefensible as that comment was, it's not as significant as folks are making it out to be in the longrun.

You can already see the Trump bounce because of how the pandemic is being turned into a political football.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

? His overall approval rating remains in the low 40's, and he's lost the "bounce" he got in early April.

Don't get me wrong, Biden isn't generating much enthusiasm and it's hurting him with the younger demographic specifically (though they don't vote much, anyways). But I don't think that enthusiasm would be there period this cycle. None of the candidates were able to generate and sustain meaningful enthusiasm, at least outside of their core bases, not even Sanders.

[Endus]

And hey, folks like Endus, when and if the jackass gets his second term. It will be the people having chosen him, right?

That's how democracy functions, yes. Did you think this was some kind of witty gotcha, or something?

That doesn't mean he's a good person, or the best choice. But I never made those arguments, so I have no idea why you'd call me out by name for that.

[Ginedast]

That's how democracy functions, yes.

No, it isn't. Democracy doesn't exist when a small elite controls the flow of information.

[Draco-Onis]

Going into the election it must be understood that Trump has something like 45% of the electorate locked in.

Actually the die hard Trump supporters are 33-35%, I haven't seen any polling showing otherwise so feel free to link it. Even among republicans there is a 5-15% swing in his support, the 45% number is the percentage of vote he got against Hillary in 2016 not his hardcore base.

[Deja Thoris]

Say goodbye to most of your technology. There is a reason most tech is made in China and not a single smart phone is made in the US.

Yea but not really. The "technology" is the operative work here, which the US and UK have for microchips, its what China lacks. China has cheap labour but can't make chips. America doesn't have cheap labour but could absolutely make phones if push came to shove.

[Orange Joe]

Yea but not really. The "technology" is the operative work here, which the US and UK have for microchips, its what China lacks. China has cheap labour but can't make chips. America doesn't have cheap labour but could absolutely make phones if push came to shove.

My understanding is rare earth metal production is the major hurdle. China provides 80% of our supply.

[Beefhammer]

Those are closer to the socialist values the liberals have imho. Trump wants the country to be a new normal. A self sufficient country not relying on any other nation for anything. We can be. I dont know of one thing another country produces that we cannot. We also have more scientific advances due to our military spending than any other country.

You do realize that China owns or holds all the rights to the precious mineral mines that make all the tech work right? Ain't nobody making much if that shit unless China give them supply.

[Edge-]

It's nice that twitter is starting to fact check Trump's twitter. He seems pretty OK with it...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...55835124539392 lies about mail-in ballots being fact checked.



Apparently telling people you're lying is stifling free speech now.

I...but it's "happening", so he's not stopping it?

Why won't someone DO SOMETHING?!

Fucking hell Twitter is the dumbest platform. This is why you don't treat Trump with kid gloves and like he's remotely serious. I hope their executives who backed this cowardly approach are all squirming in their seats.

[Elegiac]

Jack doesn’t squirm. He slithers.

How does one slither without a spine?

[Sunseeker]

You do realize that China owns or holds all the rights to the precious mineral mines that make all the tech work right? Ain't nobody making much if that shit unless China give them supply.

China does not own the rights to all the precious mineral mines. JFC.

[Elegiac]

China does not own the rights to all the precious mineral mines. JFC.

No but you see the Chinese have their sacred tree on top of the biggest vein of unobtanium so that's why we need to bomb the blue rabbit people. /s

[Felya]

No but you see the Chinese have their sacred tree on top of the biggest vein of unobtanium so that's why we need to bomb the blue rabbit people. /s

Your /s indicates you have not heard of the ‘giant ancient tree’ conspiracy theory... You have to be careful in the tide pod time line, there are people who think this is a tree stump:

[Elegiac]

Your /s indicates you have not heard of the ‘giant ancient tree’ conspiracy theory... You have to be careful in the tide pod time line, there are people who think this is a tree stump:

Lol I saw that post going around on social media back when it first came to prominence.

Do not cite the deep magic to me, witch. I was there when it was written.

[Felya]

Lol I saw that post going around on social media back when it first came to prominence.

Do not cite the deep magic to me, witch. I was there when it was written.

Ha! I just heard about it recently... current conspiracy theory age is like the modern version of a circus. Come see the dumb ass who thinks the sky is projected from Antarctica... over here we have a dog faced boy, but don’t mind that, the true horror is what he exposes about NASA...

[Elegiac]

Ha! I just heard about it recently... current conspiracy theory age is like the modern version of a circus. Come see the dumb ass who thinks the sky is projected from Antarctica... over here we have a dog faced boy, but don’t mind that, the true horror is what he exposes about NASA...

Oh honey you really just opened a whooooooooooooooooooole can of worms with the "Internet is a Modern Day Freak Show" line of thought...

[Felya]

Oh honey you really just opened a whooooooooooooooooooole can of worms with the "Internet is a Modern Day Freak Show" line of thought...

I already watched the full hour and a half, then linked it here at least once. I related the hunt for cringe to the modern political climate. Every Trump post desensitizes people to his cringe, needing something more and more cringe, just to get the same reaction.

Like the Biden cringe... what he said was bad enough, but notice that the vast majority claim he said ‘those that don’t vote for me’, which is more cringe than what he said... but, he never said vote.

[DKjaigen]

How does the US economy and the establishment democrats "fucking over the working class" affect you, my German friend?

I cannot have sympathies for my fellow working class in another country?