Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[beanman12345]

I cannot have sympathies for my fellow working class in another country?

You can, but you quite clearly don't.

[Elegiac]

I cannot have sympathies for my fellow working class in another country?

Sure you can.

But there's a difference between having sympathy with your fellow comrades, and not understanding that their political environment is fundamentally different and casting aspersions because people have to make strategic voting or policy choices.

Also, y'all just don't get how race relations work in the US if I'm entirely frank. This is why Bernie lost South Carolina.

[Louisa Bannon]

And to be honest, "during a pandemic!" isn't really a meaningful statement either.

What is meant is simply that if there ever was a time that the argument could easily be made for this shift in how we handle our healthcare in the U.S., this is that time. It's not about what it would take to ramp it up, it's about how not having a national health service is leaving us vulnerable every time a pandemic tries to take off (about every 6-7 years it seems to me, going back over 20 years now).

The upshot is that Biden is failing to distinguish himself from Trump, except that he isn't Trump. He's just going to be Trump lite.

I understand that voters may be fed up with Trump and be willing to make this change, but it doesn't persuade anyone looking at the issues from the perspective of the average voter.

[Deadite]

Your /s indicates you have not heard of the ‘giant ancient tree’ conspiracy theory... You have to be careful in the tide pod time line, there are people who think this is a tree stump:

You are saying that is not the remains of Teldrassil??

[Vyndistal]

Sure you can.

But there's a difference between having sympathy with your fellow comrades, and not understanding that their political environment is fundamentally different and casting aspersions because people have to make strategic voting or policy choices.

Biden is a neo-liberal literally in the pay of Wall St, who spent most of his life fighting progressive change. Any one who votes for him is the political enemy of the left. I don't care whether they think they are a hero in their own mind or something.

Btw The "you just don't understand my country" crap is something conservatives do. You aren't special magical flowers or anything. It is a conservative argument that depends on a belief in primitive tribalism left-wingers evolved past centuries ago. You just confirm my suspicion that you are a reactionary at heart with stuff like that.

[Elegiac]

Biden is a neo-liberal literally in the pay of Wall St, who spent most of his life fighting progressive change. Any one who votes for him is the political enemy of the left. I don't care whether they think they are a hero in their own mind or something.

Uh huh, and this is again why Bernie lost South Carolina; you are calling black people political enemies of the left despite the fact that they are one of the most vulnerable demographics in this country.

And the reason you feel that you're entitled to do so is because you don't understand why black people and a lot of other oppressed minorities don't vote for progressives. Because you don't fundamentally understand the American political arena and how racial animus colors ever facet of its existence by virtue of looking at the world through a lens of European leftism.

Btw The "you just don't understand my country" crap is something conservatives do. You aren't special magical flowers or anything. It is a conservative argument that depends on a belief in primitive tribalism left-wingers evolved past centuries ago. You just confirm my suspicion that you are a reactionary at heart with stuff like that.

It's not a function of being special or magical. It's a function of having a federalist political system with byzantine and antiquated system of checks and balances and an electoral system inherently designed to cater to special interest.

That necessitates hard choices.

[Trunksee]

I already watched the full hour and a half, then linked it here at least once. I related the hunt for cringe to the modern political climate. Every Trump post desensitizes people to his cringe, needing something more and more cringe, just to get the same reaction.

Like the Biden cringe... what he said was bad enough, but notice that the vast majority claim he said ‘those that don’t vote for me’, which is more cringe than what he said... but, he never said vote.

No he literally said "think" which is actually worse.

[Machismo]

Sure you can.

But there's a difference between having sympathy with your fellow comrades, and not understanding that their political environment is fundamentally different and casting aspersions because people have to make strategic voting or policy choices.

Also, y'all just don't get how race relations work in the US if I'm entirely frank. This is why Bernie lost South Carolina.

Forgive the dude who pretended to be an American, then got busted. He's admitted to being a sub-expanse dweller in the past, just to shitpost for everything Trump.

[Daelak]

But a country and its policies should exist to benefit the people inside the country and so being a nationalist is about supporting their own interest.

This stance didn't make sense a 100 years ago. The best policies that benefit people in a country are always multi-lateral on a global basis. The best modern analog to this is the TPP. Pressuring China from multiple sides both economically and geographically ensures US consumers enjoy the economic leverage partnerships created. Isolating US consumers by leaving trade deals and enacting tariffs removes leverage.

[Beefhammer]

China does not own the rights to all the precious mineral mines. JFC.

80%. More than enough effectively control the markets.

[Machismo]

Biden is a neo-liberal literally in the pay of Wall St, who spent most of his life fighting progressive change. Any one who votes for him is the political enemy of the left. I don't care whether they think they are a hero in their own mind or something.

Btw The "you just don't understand my country" crap is something conservatives do. You aren't special magical flowers or anything. It is a conservative argument that depends on a belief in primitive tribalism left-wingers evolved past centuries ago. You just confirm my suspicion that you are a reactionary at heart with stuff like that.

Was this you last night? It sure looks like you:

maybe these fucking monkeys shouldn't fuck with people? maybe these monkeys should do as the cops say? maybe these monkeys should just stop being criminal monkeys? maybe these monkeys shouldn't resist arrest?

what the fuck did they expect would happen? criminal monkeys get treated like criminal monkeys, how is this a surprise to ANYONE?

You and your adorable "random" names.

[JohnBrown1917]

Sure you can.

But there's a difference between having sympathy with your fellow comrades, and not understanding that their political environment is fundamentally different and casting aspersions because people have to make strategic voting or policy choices.

The excuse the dems use for every single election.

Also, y'all just don't get how race relations work in the US if I'm entirely frank. This is why Bernie lost South Carolina.

By it voting for a former segregationist? lol the US is broken. Out of all the choices?
And also ignoring how Sanders won Nevada by being really popular among Latino people.

[Machismo]

The excuse the dems use for every single election.


By it voting for a segregationist? lol the US is broken.

And, what country do you live in?

[JohnBrown1917]

And, what country do you live in?

Oh no, I criticized dear beloved US for having shitty labour rights.

[Machismo]

Oh no, I criticized dear beloved US for having shitty labour rights.

And, you didn't answer my question. I love random people from random countries trying to nation bash.

[JohnBrown1917]

And, you didn't answer my question. I love random people from random countries trying to nation bash.

Oh right, I forgot its only acceptable to do that to China, Cuba etc.. here. But don't anybody dare say anything about the most powerfull country on earth whose foreign policy shapes how the world functions.



Why are you so hellbent on getting people in the US to vote for Biden?

[Machismo]

Oh right, I forgot its only acceptable to do that to China, Cuba etc.. here.



Why are you so hellbent on getting people in the US to vote for Biden?

Well, another dodge...how adorable. Communists trying to complain about other people's corruption... I do love the irony.

Also, where's your evidence for that last claim?

[Felya]

The excuse the dems use for every single election.

Which should make you wonder if that’s part of the foundation of American 3 branches of federal government. What you call an excuse, is a function. In fact, the issue with Trump that gets him called an authoritarian, is systemic removal of these checks and balances. Democrats doing the same, would put democrats on the other side of the authority scale. Something you should have understanding, from your experience that lead you to your name... it just implies you don’t understand why “Stalin isn’t a real communist” has to be cried so often.

By it voting for a former segregationist? lol the US is broken. Out of all the choices?

You are free to remove your self from an active electoral process. Just don’t complain when both parties fight over the elderly, because your demographic doesn’t have national support and is unreliable even in places where they do.

And also ignoring how Sanders won Nevada by being really popular among Latino people.

Yeah, and then what happened?

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Why are you so hellbent on getting people in the US to vote for Biden?

Because no president in history has given corporations and wallstreet as big a tax break, removed as many regulations. We know Trump’s plan for recovery is more tax cuts on the wealthy and tax increases on middle class. We know it will be losing worker rights to sue their employer. We know that violence against women act, will continue to be blocked. We know that he spoke about running up the debt, to then default on it.

If you paid attention to current events, instead of dragging up 40 year old history that contradicts current events, you’d be hellbent as well. Instead, you’ll just remove your self from the election process... again... then in 4 years wonder why neither candidate gives a shit about your fickle vote.

[Milchshake]

Remember kids, Third Parties in the US are basically vanity projects for privileged people. That want to brag out loud about their purity.

In 2016 the Libertarians ran two former governors.
In 2020, this is the Libertarian ticket. A failed congressional candidate, and a podcaster...




Soon they might over take the Greens; who in the past nominated Assad apologists, anti-vaxxers, and a holocaust denier.

[GreenGoldSharpie]

Yeah, and then what happened?

You'd think with what's going on in NYC and Minneapolis some of these guys may realize that social issues have an actual impact when minorities vote.