Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Paranoid Android]

Amy Klobuchar didn't prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death after previous conduct complaints

Before she became a senator and a top contender for former Vice President Joe Biden's vice presidential spot, Klobuchar spent eight years as the Hennepin County attorney, in charge of prosecution for Minneapolis. And while in that position, Klobuchar declined to prosecute multiple police officers cited for excessive force, and did not prosecute the officer who kneeled on Floyd's neck as he protested, The Guardian reports.

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Her chance at VP is done.

[Louisa Bannon]

Every time one of Bernie's supporters complains about identity politics is a small encapsulation of why the coalition didn't crystallize. Future progressives need to play smarter rather than just being blue Ron Pauls.

The Warren sycophancy is a bit much, and I really liked her just prior to the primaries. There's nothing there that should have caused them not to join forces once the dust settled - except a certain lack of seriousness of purpose.

[Sunseeker]

Of course not.

But hopefully Sanders' successors are a little more in tune with a lot of the issues that the current Bernie coalition has not been about to wrangle; namely their inability to translate a reformist platform that is fundamentally class-based into a political environment that is tainted by significant racial and gender animus.

Every time one of Bernie's supporters complains about identity politics is a small encapsulation of why the coalition didn't crystallize. Future progressives need to play smarter rather than just being blue Ron Pauls.

Y'all buy into the trolls here waaaaay too much. Cause I'm sure as hell not famliar with Bernie supporters whining about identity politics (which ya know, IS ALL POLITICS) outside the obvious trolls on this forum who are clearly not, ya know, actual Bernie supporters.

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Because imbeciles never sleep, never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance.

So, to your mind, the shift from FDR to an ever more greedy, corporatist agenda is naturally how the Democratic party should have evolved over the decades? It's not just overweening greed on the part of Dem politicians that caused that?

I....have no idea what this has to do with what I said about the progressive movement.

Also just as a heads up I really don't find any value in anything you write. So, respond with that in mind.

[Elegiac]

Y'all buy into the trolls here waaaaay too much. Cause I'm sure as hell not famliar with Bernie supporters whining about identity politics (which ya know, IS ALL POLITICS) outside the obvious trolls on this forum who are clearly not, ya know, actual Bernie supporters.

It isn't a function of me, or anyone buying into trolls, really.

It's a function of whether or not progressives can convince racial minorities that white people will vote for them, for one, and whether or not they can keep a rein on the blatantly chauvinistic overtones that are still present in a lot of the more prominent progressive circles.

It is not a coincidence that Bernie did better against Hillary than against Biden. It is also not a coincidence that Bernie's stock was inflated when it looked like the main other challenger this year would be a woman. Both of those have been demonstrated earlier in the thread.

[kaelleria]

It isn't a function of me, or anyone buying into trolls, really.

It's a function of whether or not progressives can convince racial minorities that white people will vote for them, for one, and whether or not they can keep a rein on the blatantly chauvinistic overtones that are still present in a lot of the more prominent progressive circles.

It is not a coincidence that Bernie did better against Hillary than against Biden. It is also not a coincidence that Bernie's stock was inflated when it looked like the main other challenger this year would be a woman. Both of those have been demonstrated earlier in the thread.

Bernie/Our Revolution/Justice Dems aren't the only progressive game in town...

I really wish they weren't seen as the standard bearers by the media and the internet because as people in this thread have said... real progressive change isn't sexy or glamorous, it's hard. Bernie and his followers are activists... it requires a bit more work in the trenches to actually affect change.

[PfeffermintShake]

Bernie/Our Revolution/Justice Dems aren't the only progressive game in town...

I really wish they weren't seen as the standard bearers by the media and the internet because as people in this thread have said... real progressive change isn't sexy or glamorous, it's hard. Bernie and his followers are activists... it requires a bit more work in the trenches to actually affect change.

Calling them activists is waay to generous. I think Bernie's movement was the death of activism. It elevated online commenting and podcasting above activism.
Again, look at the people he elevated to position of power in his campaign. They were mostly cranks from online fan-zines and Susan Sarandons.

If he hired actual activists with ties to the community, he wouldnt have wiped out in South Carolina.

No building any of this over the last 4 years, is the opposite of activism.

[Luwo]

So, a (for me) new candidate for the VP position: Val Demings. What do you all think about her? Ticks a lot of the boxes: female, black, active in the impeachment process.

[Fantrast]

Calling them activists is waay to generous. I think Bernie's movement was the death of activism. It elevated online commenting and podcasting above activism.
Again, look at the people he elevated to position of power in his campaign. They were mostly cranks from online fan-zines and Susan Sarandons.

If he hired actual activists with ties to the community, he wouldnt have wiped out in South Carolina.

No building any of this over the last 4 years, is the opposite of activism.

Sanders got wiped out because Biden had billions of dollars of corporate money and the support of almost the entire media. Sanders policies poll well, Biden is useless, stop pretending there was any other reason. The corporate democrats could have put up a turd and it would have won - in fact it might have done better.

The only interesting question is how Sanders emerged in the first place given you can't do anything in the US without sucking Wall St's dick.

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The LGBTQ movement, in general, is built on inside access to the political process.

Do fuck off. People campaigning in the 70's were actually killed for taking a stand. You only have the freedoms you do know because of them, not some morally bankrupt bureaucrat engaging in transparent virtue signalling now a majority has accepted LGBT rights.

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So, a (for me) new candidate for the VP position: Val Demings. What do you all think about her? Ticks a lot of the boxes: female, black, active in the impeachment process.

During Demings’s time helming the Orlando Police Department from 2007 to 2011, the police department continued a long record of excessive-force allegations and a lack of transparency dating from prior to and throughout her tenure as chief. From 2010 to 2014, the department paid out more than $3.3 million in damages in at least 47 lawsuits alleging false arrest, excessive force, and other complaints

[Elegiac]

Do fuck off. People campaigning in the 70's were actually killed for taking a stand. You only have the freedoms you do know because of them, not some morally bankrupt bureaucrat engaging in transparent virtue signalling now a majority has accepted LGBT rights.

Ok burner.

[Fantrast]

Ok burner.

I LOVE the way every time I tear one of you Biden apologists a new asshole you start crying to the moderators like a little bitch!

You just telegraphed that you can't defend yourself intellectually. You might as well just bend over.

[Elegiac]

I LOVE the way every time I tear one of you Biden apologists a new asshole you start crying to the moderators like a little bitch!

You basically just told everyone you can't defend yourself intellectually. You might as well just bend over.

Ma'am, this is strictly a no malarkey zone.

[ati87]

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Her chance at VP is done.

I doubt that was ever a real contender, replace her with Tim Kaine and you will find almost a carbon copy of a VP that brings nothing to the ticket.
Warren brings something
Kamala Harris brings something

Everybody else should be ignored, they either have no name recognition or just don't have enough to add to the ticket.
CNN's list

If Biden is smart she would go with either harris or warren, both are strong women that can hold there own and can neuter out of touch white males and start putting his potential cabinet out in public with people who are qualified and aren't generic white male politician (because Biden himself almost falls in that category) and have them join the campaign.

Biden currently has the momentum and chance to destroy Trump's re-election chances by putting up the pressure.

[Fantrast]

Ma'am, this is strictly a no malarkey zone.

Hit a nerve obviously.

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If Biden is smart she would go with either harris or warren, both are strong women that can hold there own and can neuter out of touch white males and start putting his potential cabinet out in public with people who are qualified and aren't generic white male politician (because Biden himself almost falls in that category) and have them join the campaign.

Both of those candidates would alienate what remains of the progressive movement still supporting Biden. Harris because of her authoritarian record in law enforcement. Warren because she is widely perceived as damaging Sanders and the progressive movement to further her own career. Progressives really hate her, she'd be a worse choice than an out and out conservative.

Maybe Harris would solidify support for the black community-but she could potentially be a target for Republican ads given her record. I'm not sure if all this "we must elect a woman of colour" is something that actually wins votes. It is kind of patronizing to minorities and alienates the Dixiecrat Democrats that are Biden's natural supporters.

[Elegiac]

Hit a nerve obviously.

Yeah it sure takes a lot of effort to elicit a meme from me. /s

This is some reddit level nonsense, lol.

[Fantrast]

Yeah it sure takes a lot of effort to elicit a meme from me. /s

This is some reddit level nonsense, lol.

Yeah, whatever.

[ati87]

Hit a nerve obviously.

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Both of those candidates would alienate what remains of the progressive movement still supporting Biden. Harris because of her authoritarian record in law enforcement. Warren because she is widely perceived as damaging Sanders and the progressive movement to further her own career. Progressives really hate her, she'd be a worse choice than an out and out conservative.

Maybe Harris would solidify support for the black community-but she could potentially be a target for Republican ads given her record. I'm not sure if all this "we must elect a woman of colour" is something that actually wins votes. It is kind of patronizing to minorities and alienates the Dixiecrat Democrats that are Biden's natural supporters.

So what? You won't win any election if you decided to go for the hardcore Sanders supporters while most voters probably don't give a dam at this point. Furthermore it's not about colour with Harris or even there sex, Biden needs a partner somebody that can stand next to him and as a partner. No generic white male democrat is able to do that frankly, they are boring as hell.

And if you are afraid of negative adds from republicans then I'm pretty sure you could exclude Jezus and Saint Reagen if they where alive.

[Louisa Bannon]

You might as well just bend over.

They have, they intend to vote Biden - one of the least attractive presidential candidates in living memory.

Warren because she is widely perceived as damaging Sanders and the progressive movement to further her own career.

I think many hoped Warren and Bernie would join forces. My initial interest was for Bernie to step aside and run as VP under Warren, mainly because Warren had all those essays in which she articulated what she meant to accomplish and how she intended to proceed on a lot of topics of interest. She had a plan, a whole bunch of plans. In contrast, Bernie didn't always articulate as well as Warren the specifics of what he intended. When Bernie surged and Warren couldn't even carry her own state, I thought they might reverse roles - but then the ID politics stuff (true or not, btw, I don't give a fuck either way). Further, I don't think anyone minds if politicians further their careers, it just cannot be at the cost of the policies they supposedly champion. Warren's turning from Medicare for All so readily is not a good look for her.

[Endus]

They have, they intend to vote Biden - one of the least attractive presidential candidates in living memory.

Stating this when he was one of the more-popular Vice Presidents in living memory just seems really detached from reality.

[Louisa Bannon]

Stating this when he was one of the more-popular Vice Presidents in living memory just seems really detached from reality.

Does it seem? Was I discussing popularity? Hmmm...

Obama was garbage. Biden is garbage. The Clintons were garbage.

Carter is probably one of the last decent Dems, and they persuaded him to implement an austerity program which was not at all ideal.

[kaelleria]

Something something bIdEn Is ThE sAmE aS TrUmp!1!OnE