Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[TexasRules]

AP FACT CHECK: Trump denies tear gas use despite evidence
https://apnews.com/2aa7979e6fb88948895407f127e5e5b6

Law enforcement officials shy away from describing crowd-dispersing chemical tools as tear gas; it evokes police gassing citizens or the horrors of war. But giving those tools a more antiseptic name does not change the reality on the ground.

Federal institutions such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Chemical Defense have listed tear gas as the common term for riot-control agents. Whether the common or formal term is used, the effects on people are the same.

So according to this article, pepper spray is tear gas? I like how this blanket generalization is thrown about. If i blew flour in your eyes and it burned and made you"tear up" is that tear gas too? I guess you got me with your technicality because of what "experts" call tear gas. Anything that makes you cry is tear gas...does that mean Trump is tear gas?

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Better question: Why do you give a shit? You've stated you're voting for Trump who is actively hostile to people of color. Why am I obligated to entertain questions about black welfare from someone who clearly does not care about it?

You lack reading comprehension. You are voting against Trump, I am voting against Biden.

[Edge-]

So according to this, pepper spray is tear gas? I like how this blanket generalization is thrown about. If i blew flour in your eyes and it burned and made you"tear up" is that tear gas too? I guess you got me with your technicality because of what "experts" call tear gas. Anything that makes you cry is tear gas...does that mean Trump is tear gas?

Jesus christ, imagine being just fine with the federal government tear gassing peaceful protesters at a church, including a bishop, to make way for a photo op for Trump, and then being fine with them fucking lying about it despite the reports of dozens of people actually tear gassed, including a bishop of a church.

[Thekri]

So according to this article, pepper spray is tear gas? I like how this blanket generalization is thrown about. If i blew flour in your eyes and it burned and made you"tear up" is that tear gas too? I guess you got me with your technicality because of what "experts" call tear gas. Anything that makes you cry is tear gas...does that mean Trump is tear gas?

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You lack reading comprehension. You are voting against Trump, I am voting against Biden.

Umm, yes. Pepper Spray is literally exactly tear gas. It is the very first thing listed as a tear gas in the Wikipedia article.

What the hell do you think Tear Gas is? Magic? It is a gas that irritates skin and soft tissue. Like... pepper spray, which is the most commonly used type.

[Felya]

It's also fairly typical of Presidents to not criticize the man that supersedes them.

Criticizing? Sure... obsess and blame everything on... no... never... Obama said he wouldn’t persecute Bush, because it would divide the nation. Trump still calls for Obama to be impeached... that’s nearly 12 years of Trump demanding Obama be impeached.

In recent times Bush did it

Not true... read the GOP platform from 2000. That’s great economy that’s puts us at a remarkable time in our history... is 8 years of Clinton.

Clinton did it...

Clinton signed NAFTA, after Bush held a signing ceremony with Canada and Mexico, instead of making him look like fool for doing it.

but not Obama?

I’m sorry, can you compare Trump’s reaction to handling of Ebola by Obama, and tell me with a straight face that Trump isn’t being treated with kid gloves in comparison. You wanted Obama’s birth certificate, but trust Trump’s taxes... what’s up with that?

And how did these"black issues" go under the great uniter? Did they get better, or did the administration foment hatred in places like Ferguson or allow black panthers to not be prosecuted for voter intimidation?

Black panther intimidation is fucked in current context, because black men standing around are not an immediate threat or part of Black Panther.

Wasn't Obama supposed to heal the nation and make it better?

Yes, you were outraged because Obama said Trayvon Martin looked like his kid and because Obama had a beer with a cop and the black man he assaulted, getting into his own home. It’s why we didn’t have shit like this... we had actual leadership trying to unite, instead of inspecting his bunker.

Explain why it got worse under Obama? Explain why Ferguson was exploited and then just swept away.

If it got worse and swept away, how is Trump able to dismantle Obama’s police reform? Wouldn’t there be nothing to destroy and Trump to bitch about?

[TexasRules]

Jesus christ, imagine being just fine with the federal government tear gassing peaceful protesters at a church, including a bishop, to make way for a photo op for Trump, and then being fine with them fucking lying about it despite the reports of dozens of people actually tear gassed, including a bishop of a church.

Please show me where I said I was fine with it. I like how you guys just invent stuff people said. And again the article that was linked has now said anything that makes you cry, like Trump, is now tear gas.

[Elegiac]

You lack reading comprehension. You are voting against Trump, I am voting against Biden.

Fine. You are voting in such a way that is a manifest act of violence against people of colour.

So I ask again; why do you give a shit about their welfare? Because I know the answer is "I don't, I am just using this as a cudgel to attack Biden".

[TexasRules]

Umm, yes. Pepper Spray is literally exactly tear gas. It is the very first thing listed as a tear gas in the Wikipedia article.

What the hell do you think Tear Gas is? Magic? It is a gas that irritates skin and soft tissue. Like... pepper spray, which is the most commonly used type.

You do realize I have the ability to edit Wikipedia...that is how bad Wikipedia is. And there is a lot of pepper spray sold that is not gaseous form. But Trump is now a form of tear gas because when he speaks, people cry. According to that AP article.

[Felya]

So according to this article, pepper spray is tear gas? I like how this blanket generalization is thrown about. If i blew flour in your eyes and it burned and made you"tear up" is that tear gas too? I guess you got me with your technicality because of what "experts" call tear gas. Anything that makes you cry is tear gas...does that mean Trump is tear gas?

Uhm... you just quoted the article saying that the nomenclature, is specifically used to deceive the public, yet you think it confirms your point? If your goal is to deceive the public, as Trump and his administration are doing, than sure... you are correct. But, just understand that people are not buying it and don’t appreciate being treated like idiots.

You lack reading comprehension. You are voting against Trump, I am voting against Biden.

Yeah, I’m voting against Trump, because 100000 dead due to a virus, 20% unemployment and riots in the street... as wallstreet is booming. Why are you voting against Biden?

[Edge-]

Please show me where I said I was fine with it. I like how you guys just invent stuff people said. And again the article that was linked has now said anything that makes you cry, like Trump, is now tear gas.

Your continued defense of this is literally you implicitly saying it is fine, knowing full well how thoroughly dishonest Trump and McEnany have repeatedly told brazen lies that call everything they say into question.

I'm not just talking about stuff like, "Oh, Trump said he golfed 2 rounds WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY 3!!!", but stuff like Trump claiming he spoke with Modi about tensions on the Chinese border recently. They haven't.

[Felya]

Please show me where I said I was fine with it. I like how you guys just invent stuff people said. And again the article that was linked has now said anything that makes you cry, like Trump, is now tear gas.

That’s a bold faced lie... Trump is a different kind of gas cloud...

[Elegiac]

You do realize I have the ability to edit Wikipedia...that is how bad Wikipedia is.

Sure. And if you put nonsense in there, one of the thousands of people who edit those articles to verify the information will rightly ask for a source, and when you fail to provide one they will call you a clown and ban you from editing that article in future.

This isn't 2009, dude, and you aren't a high school history teacher. Grow up.

[Thekri]

You do realize I have the ability to edit Wikipedia...that is how bad Wikipedia is. And there is a lot of pepper spray sold that is not gaseous form. But Trump is now a form of tear gas because when he speaks, people cry. According to that AP article.

Didn't answer the question, what the hell do you think tear gas is then? If it isn't the chemical that is sold as a tear gas, used by law enforcement as tear gas, and acknowledge by news reports, the media, and the fucking dictionary as tear gas, then what the hell is tear gas?

Is it a Rogue ability? You think it is a Rogue ability, don't you?

[TexasRules]

Fine. You are voting in such a way that is a manifest act of violence against people of colour.

So I ask again; why do you give a shit about their welfare? Because I know the answer is "I don't, I am just using this as a cudgel to attack Biden".

I give a shit about my family. Then my church and community. Then my state. If people in democrat ruled cities want to burn down buildings and have the media cover for them, that isn't something I need to care for. My community has tons of people of color, and I am not talking about just Hispanics because I am in Texas. The churches in my area help one another all the time especially during the holidays because the food banks run low. I care...just not about people who are being lawless and rioting just as an excuse. If they want to protest fine, peacefully go right ahead. Looting and rioting is not fine. But you can't sit there and say the Joe Biden speech where he said he can fix things when he hasn't done a damn thing in 40 years. His speech was about systemic racism that he has been a part of for , and i repeat, 40 years.

[Elegiac]

I give a shit about my family. Then my church and community. Then my state. If people in democrat ruled cities want to burn down buildings and have the media cover for them, that isn't something I need to care for.

"I don't, I am just using this as a cudgel to attack Biden."

Called it.

Also did you really just try to pull the "I have black friends" card? You do know there's a reason why people joke that's the quickest way to tell a racist white person, right?

My community has tons of people of color, and I am not talking about just Hispanics because I am in Texas.

[TexasRules]

Your continued defense of this is literally you implicitly saying it is fine, knowing full well how thoroughly dishonest Trump and McEnany have repeatedly told brazen lies that call everything they say into question.

I'm not just talking about stuff like, "Oh, Trump said he golfed 2 rounds WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY 3!!!", but stuff like Trump claiming he spoke with Modi about tensions on the Chinese border recently. They haven't.

So a usual, you guys always want links. I ask for you to back up something you accuse me of saying and I get....nothing? Why am I not surprised? You are like Anderson cooper adding white to something Trump said to make it racist even though Trump never said it.

[Elegiac]

So a usual, you guys always want links.

How put upon you must be that people ask you to provide evidence of your claims. /s

[Felya]

I give a shit about my family. Then my church and community. Then my state. If people in democrat ruled cities want to burn down buildings and have the media cover for them, that isn't something I need to care for. My community has tons of people of color, and I am not talking about just Hispanics because I am in Texas. The churches in my area help one another all the time especially during the holidays because the food banks run low. I care...just not about people who are being lawless and rioting just as an excuse. If they want to protest fine, peacefully go right ahead. Looting and rioting is not fine. But you can't sit there and say the Joe Biden speech where he said he can fix things when he hasn't done a damn thing in 40 years. His speech was about systemic racism that he has been a part of for , and i repeat, 40 years.

About 40 years ago, Biden signed violence against women act, as part of that very crime reform bill. GOP has refused to put the bill for renewal, despite house passing it, since March of last year. This while Trump was chillin with his bro, Epstein... How is Barr’s investigation going about that? Is the persecutor that let him off the hook 15 years ago, still on Trump’s staff?

You need to explain to me the problem you have with the Biden justice bill, because with as many sexual assault accusations... I can guess what part of that bill Trump is afraid of.

Edit: I’m not afraid to take in an unpopular opinion. I’ve asked you twice now, to discuss Biden’s crime bill in full. As that happens, I just want you to be aware that I will bring up the 15000 or so arrests from these protests. Arrests that didn’t happen because of Biden’s crime bill...

[TexasRules]

Called it.

Also did you really just try to pull the "I have black friends" card? You do know there's a reason why people joke that's the quickest way to tell a racist white person, right?

Did I say I have black friends. I like how you only equate people of color to black people. And I am the racist? I said people of color you racist. I guess People from the middle east , South and Central America and Asia are all white? But I'm the racist. Look how you immediately went into attack mode and "called it" yeah it's easy when you are a racist to say called it. Done with you, I am sorry you are a racist

[Elegiac]

Did I say I have black friends. I like how you only equate people of color to black people. And I am the racist? I said people of color you racist. I guess People from the middle east , South and Central America and Asia are all white? But I'm the racist. Look how you immediately went into attack mode and "called it" yeah it's easy when you are a racist to say called it. Done with you, I am sorry you are a racist

Man it's almost as if there's a reason I put "I have black friends" in quotation marks. Must be a commonly used phrase or meme or something.

But no, you're pulling the same card. You living in proximity to people of color and claiming you ostensibly give a shit about them is nice and all, but it's rendered less than worthless by your political views and voting habits which encourage violence against people of color.

[Felya]

Man it's almost as if there's a reason I put "I have black friends" in quotation marks. Must be a commonly used phrase or meme or something.

But no, you're pulling the same card. You living in proximity to people of color and claiming you ostensibly give a shit about them is nice and all, but it's rendered less than worthless by your political views and voting habits which encourage violence against people of color.

Philistine!!! We are about to discuss the Biden crime bill, that no one voting Biden wants to discuss. This reply was just a side swipe... I’m about to really get it... any second... /s

Edit: Another tip about my strategy in defending the crime bill. To attack the crime bill, it exposes the systematic racism, that the bill exposed. Systematic racism, that doesn’t exist according to Trump and GOP. It is an argument, that a Trump supporter cannot make, without admitting that everyone from Clinton to Kapernik to KPop fans are right.

Edit 2: Fuck it... I’ll give up the whole game... If the 3 strikes rule disproportionately impacts minorities, doesn’t that prove systematic racism of our judicial system? Doesn’t the type of crime, show that the issue of black men being incorporated, would still be as disproportionate... due to the nature of crimes Reagan’s drug war created and shitty cops reinforced? Do you think the common story of drugs being planted by cops, has anything to do with the systematic racism that the 3 strike rule exposes?

Edit 3: 15000 arrested protestors, is 15000 strikes...