Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Elegiac]

Yeah I'm sure they weren't brainwashed into voting against their interests by billions of dollars of corporate money, as they have been in every election in living memory.

I'm not sure calling Black voters stupid or ignorant is a winning strategy, hun.

[Gruntwitch]

I'm not sure calling Black voters stupid or ignorant is a winning strategy, hun.

It is the same with most Democratic voters of whatever ethnicity, indeed most voters period, including you. Idiots that vote for corporate interests that work against their own, duped into doing so by the use of clever psychological manipulation.

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And supported other desegregation measures. Stop with your bullshit.

Biden's actual record with reference to the primary sources:

He (Biden) then entered Syracuse University College of Law, later saying he found law school "the biggest bore in the world" and that he
pulled many all-nighters to get by.[27][22][28] During his first year there, Biden
was accused of having plagiarized five of 15 pages of a law review article.

In 1968, Biden clerked for six months at a Wilmington law firm headed by prominent
local Republican William Prickett and, as he later said, "thought of myself as a
Republican"

Biden described himself as liberal on civil rights and liberties, senior citizens'
concerns and healthcare, but conservative on other issues, including abortion
and the draft

Biden became ranking minority member of the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary
in 1981. In 1984, he was a Democratic floor manager for the successful passage of
the Comprehensive Crime Control Act. Over time, the law's tough-on-crime provisions
became controversial on the left and among criminal justice reform proponents, and
in 2019 Biden called his role in passing the legislation a "big mistake"

In 1993, Biden voted in favor of 10 U.S.C. §654, a section of a broader federally
mandated policy that deemed homosexuality incompatible with military life thereby
banning gay Americans from serving in the United States armed forces in any capacity
without exception

The ban was held unconstitutional in Log Cabin Republicans v. United States for
violation of First and Fifth Amendment rights.

In 1996, Biden voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act (1 U.S.C. §7), which
prohibited the federal government from recognizing any same-sex marriage, barring
individuals in such marriages from equal protection under federal law, and allowing
states to do the same.[74] In 2013, Section 3 of DOMA was ruled unconstitutional and
partially struck down in United States v. Windsor. The Obama Administration did not
defend the law and congratulated Windsor.[75] In 2015, DOMA was ruled
unconstitutional in totality in Obergefell v. Hodges.[76]

In the mid-1970s, Biden was one of the Senate's leading opponents of desegregation
busing. His white Delaware constituents strongly opposed it, and such opposition
nationwide later led his party to mostly abandon school desegregation policies.[80]


Following this, some Delaware residents met at the Krebs School in Newport to
protest integration. Biden spoke to the auditorium and said his position on school
busing was evolving, emphasizing that busing in Delaware was in his opinion beyond
court restrictions. The crowd was unconvinced, and heckled him until he yielded
the microphone.[83] This, along with the prospect of a busing plan in Wilmington,
led Biden to align himself with civil rights opponent Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC) in
opposing busing. Biden and anti-busing senators wanted to limit the scope of Title
VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with respect to the federal government's power to
enforce school integration policies.[80] After 1975, Biden took a harsher line on
further legislative action to limit busing.[67] That year, Helms proposed an
anti-integration amendment to an education bill that would stop the Department of
Health, Education, and Welfare (HEW) from collecting data about students' or
teachers' races and thereby prevent it from defunding districts that refused to
integrate. Biden supported this amendment, saying: "I am sure it comes as a surprise
to some of my colleagues ... that a senator with a voting record such as mine
stands up and supports" it.[84] He said busing was a "bankrupt idea [that violated]
the cardinal rule of common sense", and that his opposition would make it easier
for other liberals to follow suit.[67] But he had also supported integrationist
Senator Edward Brooke's (R-MA) initiatives on housing, job opportunities and voting
rights.[82] Civil rights lawyer and NAACP Legal Defense Fund director Jack Greenberg
criticized Biden's support for the bill, saying it "heave[d] a brick through the
window of school integration", with Biden's hand on the brick.[85]


By August 1987, Biden's campaign, whose messaging was confused due to staff rivalries,
[20]:108–109 had begun to lag behind those of Michael Dukakis and Dick Gephardt,[90]
though he had still raised more funds than any candidate but Dukakis, and was seeing
an upturn in Iowa polls.[91][20]:83 In September 1987, the campaign ran into trouble
when he was accused of plagiarizing a speech that had been made earlier that year by
British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock.

A few days later, Biden's plagiarism incident in law school came to public light.[28]
Video was also released showing that when earlier questioned by a New Hampshire resident
about his grades in law school, he had said he graduated in the "top half" of his class,
that he had attended law school on a full scholarship, and that he had received three
degrees in college,[27][97] each of which was untrue or an exaggeration.[27] Advisers
and reporters pointed out that he falsely claimed to have marched in the civil rights
movement.[98]

Biden was a longtime member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. In 1997,
he became the ranking minority member and chaired the committee in January 2001 and from
June 2001 to 2003. When Democrats retook control of the Senate after the 2006 elections,
Biden again assumed the top spot on the committee.[130] He was generally a liberal
internationalist in foreign policy.[77][131] He collaborated effectively with important
Republican senators such as Richard Lugar and Jesse Helms and sometimes went against
elements of his own party

Biden was a strong supporter of the 2001 war in Afghanistan, saying, "Whatever it takes, we should do it

As head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Biden said in 2002 that Saddam Hussein
was a threat to national security and there was no option but to "eliminate" that threat.[140]
In October 2002, he voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq,
approving the U.S. invasion of Iraq.[131] More significantly, as chair of the committee, he
assembled a series of witnesses to testify in favor of the authorization. They gave testimony
grossly misrepresenting the intent, history of and status of Saddam and his Sunni government,
which was an openly avowed enemy of al-Qaida, and touting Iraq's fictional possession of weapons
of mass destruction.[141]

During the 2000s, Biden sponsored bankruptcy legislation that was sought by MBNA, one of Delaware's
largest companies, and other credit card issuers.[18] He allowed an amendment to the bill to
increase the homestead exemption for homeowners declaring bankruptcy and fought for an amendment
to forbid anti-abortion felons from using bankruptcy to discharge fines; President Clinton vetoed
the bill in 2000 but it finally passed in 2005 as the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer
Protection Act, with Biden supporting it.[18] A vociferous supporter, Biden was one of only 18
Democratic senators to vote with the Republicans in favor of the legislation, while leading
Democrats and consumer rights organizations came out in opposition

Biden had also been criticized in July 2006 for a remark he made about his support among Indian
Americans: "I've had a great relationship. In Delaware, the largest growth in population is
Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have
a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking

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In short most of Biden's history suggests a core bigoted, prejudicial view of society with cynical lip service paid to racial harmony when it was politically expedient to do so. It is difficult to know what he believes exactly since his serial plagiarism indicates an individual that is even more deceptive and delusional than Trump, if that is possible. He has only ever showed courage in defense of bigotry as in Delaware, never for civil rights. Note that many controversial right-wing proposals (eg crime, abortion) had disproportionately negative effects on ethnic minorities.

[Felya]

https://politicalemails.org/messages/175231

Joe Biden campaigning off the death of George Floyd.

And Since then Joe Biden did what as Vice President to change this?

The police reform Obama passed, that Trump has dismantled. Seriously... You do know Trump dismantled Obama’s police reform? You can’t ask what Biden did, while knowing Trump dismantled Obama’s police reform. You are making an argument that if more time with Trump passes, he will reverse more to cause even more problems.

TLDR: Trump dismantled police reform from.

My other favorite, like a broken record because NOW.....

Not the last 40 years, not while he was Vice President...but NOW is the time!

Again, Obama passed police reform, but Trump dismantled it. The reason to act now, is because Trump will continue to do shit like that.

Plus, we need Trump to inspect other bunkers... for the health of American bunkers, they all need to be inspected and no one has the experience to do it like Trump. 100000 dead, 20% unemployment, protests raging all over the country, but Trump still had the composure to inspect his bunker. What a man... with a body to bare...

I give credit because it denounce the violence and asked for peaceful protest...but also asked for your money. At the bottom of his email is a link to donate for his election.

Indeed, Biden doesn’t have hotels for you to stay at, so he can’t make money by charging secret service to stay on his property. How much did Biden spend on a drugs that increases mortality rates in those with covid? How many millions?

hahahahaha

It’s much funnier that you refuse to discuss Biden’s crime bill or tear gassing protestors. I’m guessing this is as close as we get to a concession of you being wrong?

[Daelak]

I am literally counting days to the first presidential debate. Biden is gaffe-machine that will be steamrolled by Trump so epicly, I kinda feel embarassed and sorry for Mr. Biden already.

How can Dems willingly support Joe "Poor kids are just as smart as white kids" Biden? That lying dog-faced pony soldier

Biden will do fine. He's one point down to Trump in Texas.

[Machismo]

Yeah I'm sure they weren't brainwashed into voting against their interests by billions of dollars of corporate money, as they have been in every election in living memory.

Bernie spent more than Biden.

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That Biden is an unrepentant segregationist is not something any one is actually contesting except you. His long opposition to racial integration is well known. It was discussed during the public debates which somehow you seem to have missed.

You are simply proving the point that the media and corporate money brainwashed Democrat voters into supporting a candidate they know nothing about.

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Biden is even-money with the bookies. If you are so certain that Biden will win re-mortgage your house and make a 100% return on investment. You won't do that because, as you well know, the race is anything but certain.

(I'm not sure why people always pretend their favoured candidate is a certainty to win. It is just stupid. That's not how probability works.)

Evidence, please.

[Daelak]

https://politicalemails.org/messages/175231

Joe Biden campaigning off the death of George Floyd.



And Since then Joe Biden did what as Vice President to change this?

My other favorite, like a broken record because NOW.....

Not the last 40 years, not while he was Vice President...but NOW is the time!

I give credit because it denounce the violence and asked for peaceful protest...but also asked for your money. At the bottom of his email is a link to donate for his election.

hahahahaha

His campaign message is resonating with the American people. Up 4 in Arizona, down one in Texas, tied in Florida, up in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Republicans losing Texas would mean a party-ending loss. No more multi-million dollar fundraisers since there will be no clear path to win the presidency. Splintering of the party, and radicalization, further marginalizing your ideology. Good times ahead.

[Thekri]

https://politicalemails.org/messages/175231

Joe Biden campaigning off the death of George Floyd.

Oh hey, you are back. What is tear gas?

The fact you use totally unique definitions of words is still problematic. When you say "campaigning" what are you referring to? Because I know what Wikipedia says campaigning is, but we all know Wikipedia is written by evil liberals and can't be trusted. So are you referring to a military campaign? Or is Joe Biden going camping?

Help us out here, where are you getting your words from? What Chemicals are Tear Gas, and what aren't? Is CS a tear gas? Is CN?

[kaelleria]

You can see the problem right here in any Trump base story that tries to make the case for him in the general... Trump's got 86% approval from the GOP... but 92% of the Dems (a larger bloc) are against him. And don't forget indies who are also against him

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/...24350107500545

[cubby]

Ok, burner.

On serious matters, check out this new video by the Lincoln Project. It is entitled 'War Zone'.

Damn - they are really going to town. The lack of any attacks ads from Biden's camp or the DNC in general or really any Dem Super-PACs is purposeful, coordinated. And these productions from the Lincoln Project are great. Hitting Donny Dumb Dumb hard while sowing insurrection within the GOP.

[kaelleria]

2016 polling compared to today

Comparing Monmouth from mid-June 2016 and now... Trump's polling better now than then. But Biden's polling much better than Clinton. Trump had a lot of room to grow with GOPers then. Only at 79% then vs. 93% now. And 37% of indies were third party/undecided then. Today, it's 15%.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/...81033445818373

[Thekri]

2016 polling compared to today



https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/...81033445818373

Are there really no third party candidates in the race this time? That seems off for June.

[kaelleria]

Are there really no third party candidates in the race this time? That seems off for June.

None that have been decided... But you can ignore the individual 3rd parties and just look at the voteshare for independents 2020 vs 2016. Biden is running ahead of Trump among independents significantly and there are only 15% undecided/other compared to being basically tied and 37% who were considering other/undecided.

The final results in 2016 ended up with 12% of Independents voting 3rd party... There's basically no room for Trump to grow with indies.

[cubby]

Are there really no third party candidates in the race this time? That seems off for June.

The last thing we need are third party candidates. Trump won't allow them in his GOP Party, and most/all conservatives are afraid to go against Trump's GOP, because if Trump does win, they are fucked. Any left-leaning 3rd party candidate will just take votes away from Biden.

I know that's shitty - and a death knell to future third party creation (unless the GOP implodes after Trump loses). But the math is clear, and we can't afford to let Trump win.

[TACOshake]

The last thing we need are third party candidates. Trump won't allow them in his GOP Party, and most/all conservatives are afraid to go against Trump's GOP, because if Trump does win, they are fucked. Any left-leaning 3rd party candidate will just take votes away from Biden.

I know that's shitty - and a death knell to future third party creation (unless the GOP implodes after Trump loses). But the math is clear, and we can't afford to let Trump win.

People need to be honest about third party candidates... they're awful. They enable bad GOP candidates to win without the popular vote.
2020 has laid their awfulness bare.

• The Libertarians just announced some random lecturer and a podcaster as their ticket.
• The Greens are still trying to decide between an Assad apologist and a Holocaust denier.

Indulging privileged suburban nuts with protest votes is a bad thing. This is the laziest form of civil disobedience. They can barely handle street level protesting or a simple boycott.
Look at most of the high profile Greens. They spend as much time cheerleading for Trump and sniping at Dems as your average GOP voter.

Im sure beltway pundits are super sad with Biden's growing lead. They really want a a third party to "make things interesting!"

I'm betting in 4 weeks, pundits will start pushing a "Trump Comeback". Just because they're bored. Or Trump will have "a presidential moment" after droning some poor people.

Only to have this narrative collapse in the face of a virus wave or hurricane/wildfire.

[Rasulis]

The electoral map is tilting badly against Donald Trump right now

• If Trump loses Texas (and wins everywhere else he won in 2016), he loses to Biden, 270 electoral votes to 268 electoral votes.
• If Trump loses Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin (and wins everywhere else he won in 2016), he loses to Biden 278 to 260.
• If Trump loses Arizona, Michigan and Pennsylvania (and wins everywhere else he won in 2016), he loses to Biden 279 to 259.
• If Trump loses Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin (and wins everywhere else he won in 2016), he loses to Biden 276 to 262.
• If Trump loses Arizona, Ohio and Wisconsin (and wins everywhere else he won in 2016), he loses to Biden 271 to 267.

Blah, blah, blah, CNN, blah, blah, fake news.

[Muzjhath]

And Joe Biden has been in government for 40 years but is NOW committed to ending systemic racism. Just don't bring up the crime bill or anything else in his past. But do not take my word for it, ask the guy he told about the ain't black comment “I think, you know, Biden’s record in the Senate actually reflects very racist legislation, but he has a chance to correct that by doing right by black people.” See it only takes 40 years

Joe Biden talking about Apartheid. And how the US ought to be on the side who try to pull the system down. In 1986.

[kaelleria]

Joe Biden talking about Apartheid. And how the US ought to be on the side who try to pull the system down. In 1986.

bIdEn Is ThE sAmE aS tRuMp!

Meanwhile Trump in 86....

[Trunditch]

Joe Biden talking about Apartheid. And how the US ought to be on the side who try to pull the system down. In 1986.[/URL]

OK for those who a) weren't alive and b) have never read a history book - By 1986 it was clear apartheid's days were already numbered. Even Reagan sent a black guy as ambassador to South Africa to troll them, the rough equivalent of sending a woman ambassador to saudi arabia.

Literally fucking everybody was against apartheid by 1986 who wasn't in the far right. It was like saying you were against torturing kittens or paedophiles or something, it was kind of a minimum threshold for a decent human being.

At least find a clip of Biden criticizing apartheid when the regime had mainstream support in the west. All you are doing with that clip is proving that Biden is a cynical opportunist who speaks out in favour of civil rights when it requires no courage at all.

[Gestopft]

2016 polling compared to today

Woooooow.

As much as I argued against Biden before and during the primary, I have also maintained that it's entirely possible for the Dems to win by simply not running Hillary. These numbers are good so far: not that I'm counting any chickens. I'm still terrified.

[Edge-]

Literally fucking everybody was against apartheid by 1986 who wasn't in the far right. It was like saying you were against torturing kittens or paedophiles or something.

Not gonna bother with further responses but...

House overrides Reagan apartheid veto, Sept. 29, 1986

Guess Reagan liked torturing kittens, and separately liked pedophiles.

Edit: And Reagan supported economic sanctions -

The Reagan administration had sought to impose a set of economic restrictions under a presidential executive order.