Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[s_bushido]

Got some rough news for ya. If Bernie supports don't vote for Biden then guess what? It is at least partially their fault if Trump wins. Reality doesn't care if people's feelings get hurt. You own the consequences of your vote or lack thereof. Period.

You know, it often gets said that maybe if Republicans had better policies, people would actually want to vote for them, as opposed to having to rely on voter suppression and low turnouts to win elections. But the same thing applies to Democrats. If they stopped putting forward candidates that were little more than Republicans with (D) next to their name, maybe they wouldn't have to blame those who don't want to vote for that horseshit when they inevitably lose.

[Machismo]

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So, you have a million dollars to wager? I may take you up on it.

[Fabray]

Biden is the better option by far but this turned into another "Trump vs Not-Trump" election where nothing really to vote FOR just something to vote against. Hopefully the ones who voted in the primary come out in the general too.

You’re voting for all of the judges Biden would appoint, you’re voting for whoever his VP is, because they will be the one running in four years. If his VP is someone you like, that’s damn near the same thing as them being on the top of the ticket, as they’ll likely be at Dick Cheney levels of control in the administration. It shouldn’t be hard to get excited for either one of those things, let alone both.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Chris HAyes is maybe the more interesting nightly host on MSNBC. Dashing, progressive, alternates his nightly guests between Bernie and Michael Moore every other night.

Bernie Sanders is on All In just now.


Sanders argued in response that Republicans have no ideology and he wouldn't be surprised if eventually Trump called for guaranteed health care. "His goal and his only goal is to win... he will say and do anything to do that."
"You're hearing it first right here. He may not call it 'Medicare for All' [but] I would not drop dead if, in one form or another, Donald Trump got up and said, 'We're in a terrible crisis... We should guarantee health care to all people."



Wow, Bernard looks really out touch.

• Trump is actively suing to dismantle the ACA
• Trump is continually trying to deny healthcare with Work Requirements
• Just this week Trump denied opening ACA enrollment to let people get emergency coverage
• Trump is withholding medical supplies from the Supplies from the States
• Trump is suggesting people take poison

A Benard goes home to masterbate to his typical fantasy
The libs on their knees, the libs tied-up, the libs abused.

[Ivanstone]

"You're hearing it first right here. He may not call it 'Medicare for All' [but] I would not drop dead if, in one form or another, Donald Trump got up and said, 'We're in a terrible crisis... We should guarantee health care to all people."

What Trump says and what Trump does are two totally different things. I can actually see Trump saying it and then all of the muppets will fall in line including all of the idiots who keep alternating burner accounts on MMO-C.

And if that secures him a second term he'll go right back to doing what he does now: Alternating between golf and getting people killed.

[Grapemask]

Bernie Sanders is on All In just now.

I think you're even more obsessed with Bernie Sanders than the people you guys rage about being in his "cult." You and a few of the folks in the democratic primary thread spend more time drafting creative fan fiction about Bernie Sanders than the rest of us have spent giving him any thought in the last 5 years.

Anyway, this is probably the best place for it now, but Biden has released a plan for undergraduate student loan forgiveness. He has put it in a way that it's in Congress's hands, so, you know, it'll never happen, and he can just shrug and blame Republicans, but I appreciate that he has made the effort. I'm insulted by his healthcare plan because he still just doesn't get it. But I'm tickled by the flood of boomer and upper class tears his debt forgiveness has triggered.

[xChurch]

Sanders argued in response that Republicans have no ideology and he wouldn't be surprised if eventually Trump called for guaranteed health care. "His goal and his only goal is to win... he will say and do anything to do that."
"You're hearing it first right here. He may not call it 'Medicare for All' [but] I would not drop dead if, in one form or another, Donald Trump got up and said, 'We're in a terrible crisis... We should guarantee health care to all people."[/I]

Do you actually contend this point though? I think you'd have a tough time trying to argue that Trump wouldn't come out for guaranteed health care if he thought it'd help him win. Rambling on about stuff he thinks will help him politically is kind of his shtick, no matter how dumb or contradictory it may be. Also, this is the election thread, time to let the Bernie hate go.

[PACOX]

Chris HAyes is maybe the more interesting nightly host on MSNBC. Dashing, progressive, alternates his nightly guests between Bernie and Michael Moore every other night.

Bernie Sanders is on All In just now.


Sanders argued in response that Republicans have no ideology and he wouldn't be surprised if eventually Trump called for guaranteed health care. "His goal and his only goal is to win... he will say and do anything to do that."
"You're hearing it first right here. He may not call it 'Medicare for All' [but] I would not drop dead if, in one form or another, Donald Trump got up and said, 'We're in a terrible crisis... We should guarantee health care to all people."



Wow, Bernard looks really out touch.

• Trump is actively suing to dismantle the ACA
• Trump is continually trying to deny healthcare with Work Requirements
• Just this week Trump denied opening ACA enrollment to let people get emergency coverage
• Trump is withholding medical supplies from the Supplies from the States
• Trump is suggesting people take poison

A Benard goes home to masterbate to his typical fantasy
The libs on their knees, the libs tied-up, the libs abused.

You're a grifter or you're out of touch if you don't think Trump subscribes to populism and will say/do anything for votes.

Trump pushes prison reform because of populism even though it goes against the ideas of old white Republicans.

Trump hasn't actually gutted ACA yet because health issuance is popular.

He ignores NK because Asian conflicts are a no-go for Boomers.

He passed a bad tax cut because tax cuts are popular.

Trump says one thing and does another because he understands populism among people with weak ideologies, that goes for both sides and how he flipped Obama voters.

Trump would definitely say he is for something between ACA and M4A if it means votes.

Trump post bullshit on Twitter because it is popular. People eat it up whether they like him or not.

Trump is a populist with a fiscally conservative filter.

Not taking opposition seriously and the lengths they are willing to go to is how a 'sure thing' was lost in 2016.

Sanders was an outsider who pivoted an entire party. Fighting Republicans is what he does to relieve stress, I think he might know a thing or two about what the GOP will do to win.

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Anyway, this is probably the best place for it now, but Biden has released a plan for undergraduate student loan forgiveness. He has put it in a way that it's in Congress's hands, so, you know, it'll never happen, and he can just shrug and blame Republicans, but I appreciate that he has made the effort. I'm insulted by his healthcare plan because he still just doesn't get it. But I'm tickled by the flood of boomer and upper class tears his debt forgiveness has triggered.

Which is absolutely unacceptable because both Obama and Trump managed impact the student loan industry regardless of Congress. Are we about to elect a paperweight?

[Telogrus]

Got some rough news for ya. If Bernie supports don't vote for Biden then guess what? It is at least partially their fault if Trump wins. Reality doesn't care if people's feelings get hurt. You own the consequences of your vote or lack thereof. Period.

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Trump is losing in every swing state right now.

But keep on smoking whatever you are smoking. This is the second post where you don't call for civil war. The healing is continuing.

It’s also Biden supporters’ fault for discouraging Bernie supporters from voting for Biden

[AntiFascistVoter]

Do you actually contend this point though? I think you'd have a tough time trying to argue that Trump wouldn't come out for guaranteed health care if he thought it'd help him win. Rambling on about stuff he thinks will help him politically is kind of his shtick, no matter how dumb or contradictory it may be. Also, this is the election thread, time to let the Bernie hate go.

I do contend this, because it happens repeatedly. The only long term policy goal that Trump has followed through on are his tax breaks, and appointment of conservative judges.

As people have noted, the election is very much a referendum on Trump.

Bernie and his cadres continually fantasies about Trump making a swing to social services ... well it muddles the picture to Trump's benefit.

Sorry that you guys are in denial about Bernie's bad messaging. It's what cost him the primary two massive primary defeats in a row.

[PACOX]

You know, it often gets said that maybe if Republicans had better policies, people would actually want to vote for them, as opposed to having to rely on voter suppression and low turnouts to win elections. But the same thing applies to Democrats. If they stopped putting forward candidates that were little more than Republicans with (D) next to their name, maybe they wouldn't have to blame those who don't want to vote for that horseshit when they inevitably lose.

Both parties have a hell of a time getting people to vote for them. Even without the villainy, the GOP has an immovable base. Democrats get their votes flipped or can't get people to the polls. It's a mess all around.

A group that prevents people from voting and another that can't get people to vote.

[xChurch]

I do contend this, because it happens repeatedly. The only long term policy goal that Trump has followed through on are his tax breaks, and appointment of conservative judges.

As people have noted, the election is very much a referendum on Trump.

Bernie and his cadres continually fantasies about Trump making a swing to social services ... well it muddles the picture to Trump's benefit.

Sorry that you guys are in denial about Bernie's bad messaging. It's what cost him the primary two massive primary defeats in a row.

It's not about what he does, it's about what he says. The disconnect is there with almost everything he does. Obviously, he won't actually act on the left of Biden when it comes to healthcare, that doesn't mean he won't say that he is. And for the record, I couldn't care less about Bernie, so trying to tar me as a supporter just reinforces my point, time to let the Bernie hate go.

[PACOX]

I do contend this, because it happens repeatedly. The only long term policy goal that Trump has followed through on are his tax breaks, and appointment of conservative judges.

As people have noted, the election is very much a referendum on Trump.

Bernie and his cadres continually fantasies about Trump making a swing to social services ... well it muddles the picture to Trump's benefit.

Sorry that you guys are in denial about Bernie's bad messaging. It's what cost him the primary two massive primary defeats in a row.

Be honest. Was Sanders claiming Trump would adopt socialism or warning Biden about the game Trump is going to play?

Plantation owners did think much indentured servants or slaves but feared the two would revolt. How did beat advocates who would have been been better for both? They gave them servants power over the slaves. - divide, control, conquer. That's the GOP playbook and Trump is good at it. It's what Sanders is warning against.

Biden needs to be proactive and stop Trump from chipping away at his support by appeasing groups hear and there.

Republicans weren't necessarily on board with Trump but some were with conservative judges. And some were with tax cuts, some increased deportations, anti-establishment, some were down with the old man rich white man bigotry. They appeal to stuff their voters 'can't' let pass them by meanwhile Biden surrogates can say right now is "this is a referendum against Trump" as if people cared about being against Trump in 2016.

When one side claims to be more honest than the others, they can't afford to be so blatantly full of shit as some Biden surrogates.

[Blur4stuff]

What Sanders did in two primaries is very impressive. This is a guy with certain positions that should never, ever have done so well given that most democrats are a few steps away from being classic republicans. He should have never gotten past 5% polling or won even a single state.

To an extent it shows how out of touch a bulk of the democratic party is, but the bigger takeaway for me is how clueless both parties are about what people outside of the parties want.

I hope Biden realizes this and takes the appropriate steps to show those voters that he will take the country in the right direction.

[PACOX]

What Sanders did in two primaries is very impressive. This is a guy with certain positions that should never, ever have done so well given that most democrats are a few steps away from being classic republicans. He should have never gotten past 5% polling or won even a single state.

To an extent it shows how out of touch a bulk of the democratic party is, but the bigger takeaway for me is how clueless both parties are about what people outside of the parties want.

I hope Biden realizes this and takes the appropriate steps to show those voters that he will take the country in the right direction.

Trump won by playing the 'outsider' and yet 2020s motto is let's bring back the establishment! Biden needs to go on anything but "I can make things like pre-2016". The exact stuff that flipped Penn, Mich, Wisconsin.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Be honest. Was Sanders claiming Trump would adopt socialism or warning Biden about the game Trump is going to play?

Plantation owners did think much indentured servants or slaves but feared the two would revolt. How did beat advocates who would have been been better for both? They gave them servants power over the slaves. - divide, control, conquer. That's the GOP playbook and Trump is good at it. It's what Sanders is warning against.

Biden needs to be proactive and stop Trump from chipping away at his support by appeasing groups hear and there.

Republicans weren't necessarily on board with Trump but some were with conservative judges. And some were with tax cuts, some increased deportations, anti-establishment, some were down with the old man rich white man bigotry. They appeal to stuff their voters 'can't' let pass them by meanwhile Biden surrogates can say right now is "this is a referendum against Trump" as if people cared about being against Trump in 2016.

When one side claims to be more honest than the others, they can't afford to be so blatantly full of shit as some Biden surrogates.

ahah....really?

The only options here are:
A) Bernie is as delusional as some of his nutjob supporters/staffers.
B) He's trying to make Donald Trump 'permissible' by subtly positioning him to 'the left' of Biden.
C) Gives cover to his army of trolls to vote or withold to the benefit of Trump.

Neither of the options are very flattering. Bad as his messaging on Castro.

Just some honest questions on why would a Socialist do anything to the benefit of Trump and the GOP.

[breadisfunny]

Got some rough news for ya. If Bernie supports don't vote for Biden then guess what? It is at least partially their fault if Trump wins. Reality doesn't care if people's feelings get hurt. You own the consequences of your vote or lack thereof. Period.

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Trump is losing in every swing state right now.

But keep on smoking whatever you are smoking. This is the second post where you don't call for civil war. The healing is continuing.

maybe if you would put forward a good enough candidate you wouldn't be whining about bernie supporters not voting for him. just saying. it will be your camps own damn fault if you lose this election. but of course rather than being an adult and taking responsibility for having a shitty candidate biden supporters resort to blaming everyone else for their candidates lack of appeal. sounds quite familiar almost like we've been down this road before....

[ati87]

Got some rough news for ya. If Bernie supports don't vote for Biden then guess what? It is at least partially their fault if Trump wins. Reality doesn't care if people's feelings get hurt. You own the consequences of your vote or lack thereof. Period.

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Trump is losing in every swing state right now.

But keep on smoking whatever you are smoking. This is the second post where you don't call for civil war. The healing is continuing.

I can't argue this often enough.
Regardless of who and what no candidate owns any vote.

If Biden does a right-ward turn in order to win Trump voters why should anybody vote for him? Because he will be the lesser of two evils? If Biden decides to make his platform of being the lesser of two evils then he will lose rightfully so.

Biden needs to offer a clear message and vision of what he will do different if elected.
Obama provided a clear vision in 2008/2012. Get people healthcare, stop involving yourself with stupid wars and undo every stupid decision of Bush.
McCain ran on ''I'm more experienced, War is good and look at my idiot VP''.
Hillary Clinton ran on ''I'm the most experienced candidate''
Trump ran on ''Build the Wall, kick out brown people (and non whites afterwards) and something about being a rude idiot.

You have to offer a clear vision of the direction you want to go to, instead of doing just lip service.

[Draco-Onis]

ahah....really?

The only options here are:
A) Bernie is as delusional as some of his nutjob supporters/staffers.
B) He's trying to make Donald Trump 'permissible' by subtly positioning him to 'the left' of Biden.
C) Gives cover to his army of trolls to vote or withold to the benefit of Trump.

Neither of the options are very flattering. Bad as his messaging on Castro.

Just some honest questions on why would a Socialist do anything to the benefit of Trump and the GOP.

2018 - Trump promised a huge middle class tax cut that he and the Republican party were working on. Trump has already pulled this shit before.

Are you this thick? You are basically saying hahaha that Bernard he is saying Trump would lie that's silly Trump is so honest

[nonameelf]

So, Democrats made another horrible nomination choice. Somehow even worse than Clinton. And now they expect the rest of us to bail out the Democrats not because their nominee is any good, but because Trump is bad.

And they're already trying to pass off the blame for Biden's inevitable failure onto other people. Great you have so much confidence in your nominee. No, you own that shit. You nominated him, you own it.