1. #581
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaktar View Post
    Why blame the DNC for what voters chose?


    Straight from a guy that worked for them... I'd argue the simple answer is that the (voting) public is not educated enough and it keeps falling into this "at least our guy is not as bad as theirs" trap instead of actually picking someone that will actually represent their best interest (reform, healthcare, worker rights, etc.).
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  2. #582
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Oh please...you were saying you were never going to vote for Biden long before this sex scandal came out. You're just using it as an excuse now.

    Like I said though...then don't vote. Nobody can force you to.
    Fuck you. I have never fucking said that. I have always fucking said I'll vote for the piece of shit. It was specifically this issue that broke the camel's back.

    Go back and find a single damn time I would have said I wouldn't vote for him before this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    It was specifically this issue that broke the camel's back.
    Your back is too weak for American politics. Trump’s attacks have not even gone full swing. Wait until attacks swing in full gear... who knows what Trump’s investors will find by November.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    This is not a fucking question of who was your first choice anymore.

    The question is are you willing to vote for a senile sex offender or not?

    Based on every single position I held in the past fucking 5 years on this issue... I can't.

    And every single god damn time you and others like you just fucking gloss over the Tara Reade issue it further solidifies my choice not to vote.

    I don't fucking care if most people decide to be fucking hypocrites. I won't be one.

    Just fuck it. Fuck this entire fucking country if this is what we have been reduced to. People who claim to be on the left but now are tacitly looking the other way should all ashamed of themselves.

    But whatever. If "Biden is the candidate" as you put it, I won't vote for him.
    You see, the problem is, that the Tara Reade story has big enough holes in it that Air Force One can fly through it. If she was sexually assaulted by Biden, why did she basically defend him for over a decade?

    She liked Obama tweets praising Joe Biden, wishing him happy birthday, in 2009 she said her husband was offered a job in the Midwest, not that she was forced out after the sexual assault, in 2018 she wrote an article stating that she left the government because she "hated the American Imperialism", and loved "Russia with all her heart". Even going as far as praising Putin himself, this was in 2018, 4 years after Putin annexed Crimea, and had laws that allowed the beating and jailing of gay people.

    She is fucking insane, I would say bipolar, at least. https://archive.is/Vi7Hf#selection-273.0-273.520 That is the thing she penned and now deleted.

    She wrote an article in 2019: https://medium.com/@AlexandraTaraRea...e-dd9ebdfce31b
    That doesn't show that she was sexually assaulted.

    And now in March of this year, she is now claiming that Biden fired her? She is all over the fucking place, and anyone that listens to her, is batshit insane.

    Everything I just stated, came from: https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstei...n-e4cb3ee38460

    If you can read ALL of that, and still believe this crazy woman clearly off her meds, then that is on you. Even her long time friends are saying not to listen to her.

  5. #585
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Your back is too weak for American politics. Trump’s attacks have not even gone full swing. Wait until attacks swing in full gear... who knows what Trump’s investors will find by November.
    Wait... The willingness to vote for a likely rapist is now a sign of supposed political fortitude?

    What the fuck on a stick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    You see, the problem is, that the Tara Reade story has big enough holes in it that Air Force One can fly through it. If she was sexually assaulted by Biden, why did she basically defend him for over a decade?

    She liked Obama tweets praising Joe Biden, wishing him happy birthday, in 2009 she said her husband was offered a job in the Midwest, not that she was forced out after the sexual assault, in 2018 she wrote an article stating that she left the government because she "hated the American Imperialism", and loved "Russia with all her heart". Even going as far as praising Putin himself, this was in 2018, 4 years after Putin annexed Crimea, and had laws that allowed the beating and jailing of gay people.

    She is fucking insane, I would say bipolar, at least. https://archive.is/Vi7Hf#selection-273.0-273.520 That is the thing she penned and now deleted.

    She wrote an article in 2019: https://medium.com/@AlexandraTaraRea...e-dd9ebdfce31b
    That doesn't show that she was sexually assaulted.

    And now in March of this year, she is now claiming that Biden fired her? She is all over the fucking place, and anyone that listens to her, is batshit insane.

    Everything I just stated, came from: https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstei...n-e4cb3ee38460

    If you can read ALL of that, and still believe this crazy woman clearly off her meds, then that is on you. Even her long time friends are saying not to listen to her.
    Holy fuck you are gross. So the mentally ill cannot be victims anymore?

    You realize you are doing the same fucking thing as every Trumpkin did with Trump and Kavanaugh.

    Take a hike man. Solidly fucking disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Wait... The willingness to vote for a likely rapist is now a sign of supposed political fortitude?

    What the fuck on a stick?

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    Holy fuck you are gross. So the mentally ill cannot be victims anymore?

    You realize you are doing the same fucking thing as every Trumpkin did with Trump and Kavanaugh.

    Take a hike man. Solidly fucking disgusting.
    No, I am saying that EVERYTHING SHE CLAIMS, isn't credible at best, based on the evidence provided in the articles you CLEARLY DIDN'T FUCKING READ. And with Trump and Kavanaugh, you didn't have Blasey-Ford praising Kavanaugh like Reade has done with Biden, and then went and starting praising Putin in a complete 180. Blasey-Ford said the same thing basically from the fucking beginning, Reade hasn't. She has like 3 different fucking stories as to why she left government, which one of them is right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Wait... The willingness to vote for a likely rapist is now a sign of supposed political fortitude?
    I didn’t say that, but if you think about it... swallowing your pride for the greater good in politics, is fortitude. Just like any other time you sacrifice, to help others. You think everyone voting for Biden, wants Biden as president? I blame my self for not supporting Hillary due to pride, but I’m not making that mistake again. Been there done that... now I know people who are dead because of what my choices resulted in... not going to happen again...

    What the fuck on a stick?
    Seeing as how you condemn him on the basis of likely... Trump threatens to remove congress from preventing his actions just yesterday, while you talk of likely... I don’t drink, but I think alcohol helps you swallow your pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Holy fuck you are gross. So the mentally ill cannot be victims anymore?
    He isn’t a fucking psychiatrist, this was used colloquially to describe her double talk in links he provided. This is wholly disingenuous virtue signaling.

    You realize you are doing the same fucking thing as every Trumpkin did with Trump and Kavanaugh.
    Well... no... he isn’t complaining how men are afraid to hire attractive women, because of the horrors that Kavanaugh had to go through. By the way... Can you name a single woman, other than Ford, who came forward just like Reade. There were several... in your indignation, can you name one... without googling.

    Take a hike man. Solidly fucking disgusting.
    Doubling down on virtue signaling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    No, I am saying that EVERYTHING SHE CLAIMS, isn't credible at best, based on the evidence provided in the articles you CLEARLY DIDN'T FUCKING READ. And with Trump and Kavanaugh, you didn't have Blasey-Ford praising Kavanaugh like Reade has done with Biden, and then went and starting praising Putin in a complete 180. Blasey-Ford said the same thing basically from the fucking beginning, Reade hasn't. She has like 3 different fucking stories as to why she left government, which one of them is right?
    Ford is a bad example... there were several women who also filed complaints about Kavanaugh... Because Reade isn’t taking this to court, those women... whose names people attacking Biden don’t even know... are a far better comparison. But, they don’t really care...
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  8. #588
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    I didn’t say that, but if you think about it... swallowing your pride for the greater good in politics, is fortitude. Just like any other time you sacrifice, to help others. You think everyone voting for Biden, wants Biden as president? I blame my self for not supporting Hillary due to pride, but I’m not making that mistake again. Been there done that... now I know people who are dead because of what my choices resulted in... not going to happen again...



    Seeing as how you condemn him on the basis of likely... Trump threatens to remove congress from preventing his actions just yesterday, while you talk of likely... I don’t drink, but I think alcohol helps you swallow your pride.

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    He isn’t a fucking psychiatrist, this was used colloquially to describe her double talk in links he provided. This is wholly disingenuous virtue signaling.



    Well... no... he isn’t complaining how men are afraid to hire attractive women, because of the horrors that Kavanaugh had to go through. By the way... Can you name a single woman, other than Ford, who came forward just like Reade. There were several... in your indignation, can you name one... without googling.



    Doubling down on virtue signaling?
    It was clear Mihalik didn't read the links provided. You can clearly see that Reade is at best bipolar, at worst, paid off to change her story over time. She went from praising Biden for over 15 years to having a deep love for Russia, and Putin specifically. Even her friends are like, yeah, this didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    It was clear Mihalik didn't read the links provided. You can clearly see that Reade is at best bipolar, at worst, paid off to change her story over time. She went from praising Biden for over 15 years to having a deep love for Russia, and Putin specifically. Even her friends are like, yeah, this didn't happen.
    That’s the thing... not only was she saying Biden wouldn’t lie just within the last couple of years, her own friends are saying this is a liar. That did not happen with Ford... it did happen with one of the other accusers, that also had people come out call her a liar... but, not Ford...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    That’s the thing... not only was she saying Biden wouldn’t lie just within the last couple of years, her own friends are saying this is a liar. That did not happen with Ford... it did happen with one of the other accusers, that also had people come out call her a liar... but, not Ford...
    Yep, Ford had been saying it for years even decades that Kavanaugh raped/assaulted her. Meanwhile Reade can't keep a single story straight about why she left government. Even going as far as praising Biden for at least 15 years since the incident supposedly happened. I am just stating, that if she was fired like she claimed, she could probably get records of the firing, FOIA requests are a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faldasi View Post
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    Did you just compare double talk, to dressing provocative? What the actual fuck... this isn’t about how she looked, but the merit of her actions. You do understand the difference between how someone behaves and how they look? Right? You don’t look at people’s clothing to determine they are liars? Do you?

    Edit: This might be the only good part in all this. The fake outrage is funny, because you can clearly see they don’t understand the indignation they are supposed to be showing. Just copying what was said in another case, without understanding what was wrong with it.

    Just to reiterate, someone saying you are honest after a date for nearly 20 years, then recanting it months after last saying it. Is a contradiction that’s worth examining... something wholly different than ‘she was asking for it’ with her clothes. That’s barbaric on your part...
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  12. #592
    Quote Originally Posted by faldasi View Post
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    How would you know? Considering you are a new account. And you know what Trump did to try to pull us out of that war? NEGOTIATE WITH FUCKING TERRORISTS. Something we don't do.

    And no, I am not "smearing a sexual assault victim", her story simply doesn't check out. And I don't want Biden, I wanted Bernie, I am just not stupid enough to believe something when the evidence CLEARLY shows that she is batshit insane.

    Also, what the fuck is with your 2nd post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by faldasi View Post
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    Let’s check your honesty... what would be Trump’s reaction, if Hussein Obama, signed a peace treaty with Taliban? Ignoring that they attacked the next day and claimed it had no interest in complying. Let’s pretend Hussain Obama, signed a peace treaty with Taliban, which was a success. What would Trump’s reaction be? Celebration? Proof that Hussain Obama is in muslim brotherhood? Which do you think?

    Just a reminder... Trump claimed Obama was trying to kill Americans with Ebola. 2 Americans died, Trump posted over 100 times on Twitter, demanding Obama be punished for it.
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    NEW: Libertarians view Amash as potential 2020 game changer for party https://t.co/zjEb5pArMO https://t.co/HEzMOo0J3H
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...796464640?s=19

    Hey remember when people cheered (including me) Amash for breaking with Trump and the Republican Party.

    Well here we go with the self-destructive ego. Especially if some political party endorses him.

    So he wants to help Trump with four more possible years.
    "Buh dah DEMS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Pretty much this we are basically back to the Hillary Clinton conundrum Biden is the lesser of two evils.
    That's the nature of a two party system. It's going to be rare to get your candidate to be the perfect match to you. The political purity tests that people are bringing into the general election are incredibly self-defeating. The ideological purity belongs in the primaries. That's over now -- political reality has to set in and people need to realize what's at stake and not let perfect be the enemy of good -- or even just mediocre in this case.

    Also, people need to stop being unreasonable. This meme that a Biden presidency would be indistinguishable or even worse than another term of Trump is so laughable it's frightening anyone is using that argument seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deianeira View Post
    the DNC for bringing Dems such a shitty choice.
    Um. Last I checked Sanders was in the primary and his base didn't show up. "The DNC" didn't bring Biden -- the voters did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I won't fucking reduce myself to a piece of shit hypocrite and do the same out of political expediency.
    Then you are dooming those less fortunate than you to even more suffering. You are setting back the progressive agenda decades. You are enabling fundamental changes to the judiciary that will likely strip rights away from minority groups. You are likely ending the right to choose.

    All while preaching about morality.

    You are already a hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    So he wants to help Trump with four more possible years.
    I'm not following the dots here... The libertarians are overwhelmingly a right wing group -- how would Amash split the Dem vote more then the Republican vote?
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    It's called resistance / rebellion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Yep, Ford had been saying it for years even decades that Kavanaugh raped/assaulted her. Meanwhile Reade can't keep a single story straight about why she left government. Even going as far as praising Biden for at least 15 years since the incident supposedly happened. I am just stating, that if she was fired like she claimed, she could probably get records of the firing, FOIA requests are a thing.
    Her story broke on a podcast run by a Assad apologist and a racist.

    Warren and Bernie (40 years of consistency) see right through this charade. Why cant the poster that used to "support" them?

    Moar benefits from the Warren Endorsement!
    Elizabeth Warren raised more than *$100 million* without doing traditional big-money fundraisers for her presidential campaign.
    As part of her endorsement, she allowed Joe Biden to send a note to her full donor list today.



    /geuss who just got a note from Biden
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Moar benefits from the Warren Endorsement!
    He might even pick her as his VP. She has lady parts, which is apparently the only qualification he's looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1...796464640?s=19

    Hey remember when people cheered (including me) Amash for breaking with Trump and the Republican Party.

    Well here we go with the self-destructive ego. Especially if some political party endorses him.

    So he wants to help Trump with four more possible years.
    That party only attracts GoP voters, I don't see what problems it could cause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    It's a bad argument for future policy, but an entirely compelling argument with regard to people that already made choices operating on the basis of understood agreements. People who made conscious, deliberate decisions to pay down loans will be worse off for it than people that chose to pay the minimum, who are worse off than people that elected to defer indefinitely. This is more or less a defining example of a perverse outcome - people that behaved the way that everyone should be encouraged to (saving, paying their debts) being worse off than people that simply didn't plan at all.
    I’ll make sure my children use 2400 baud modems on commodore 64s with no hard drive space. After all, why should other people benefit from the advancement of computing since I’ve been born?

    The point is for parents to make sure their children are better off. If you can’t look past “I had to do it, fuck you” the you shouldn’t be having children, or even benefiting from society.

    Hell let’s make sure nobody benefit is from anything in the future. No tax lowering. I had to pay higher taxes, nobody else should pay lower. Taxes can only go up, sorry. Everything must be more difficult for the next generation, otherwise it’s not fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasRules View Post
    You're right. It's not incredibly selfish for people to act irresponsibly with their finances and then expect their debt to be forgiven and not have to pay. Someone who paid off their debt and now has their taxes raised to pay for other people's disregard for responsibility is extremely more selfish. You win.
    Make sure you’re using a 2400 baud modem. It’s not fair for You to benefit from advancements in technology.

    In fact, get off the internet. It’s not fair that your parents had no internet, so nobody should.

    Can’t lower taxes. It’s not fair that my parents paid higher taxes so nobody should.

    Can’t benfefit from medical science. It’s not fair that my parents didn’t live in an environment with our current technology.

    “I had to, so fuck you” is a disgusting worldview to have, and only disgusting, selfish, special snowflakes have that pony of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxx79 View Post
    I’ll make sure my children use 2400 baud modems on commodore 64s with no hard drive space. After all, why should other people benefit from the advancement of computing since I’ve been born?

    The point is for parents to make sure their children are better off. If you can’t look past “I had to do it, fuck you” the you shouldn’t be having children, or even benefiting from society.

    Hell let’s make sure nobody benefit is from anything in the future. No tax lowering. I had to pay higher taxes, nobody else should pay lower. Taxes can only go up, sorry. Everything must be more difficult for the next generation, otherwise it’s not fair.
    This is a failure to address what I actually wrote. I'm not opposed to reforming the system going forward, I'm opposed to rewards people that behaved worse in the past.

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