Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Masark]

Where will the votes come from no one can be convinced to change their 2016 vote?

The ~102 million who didn't vote last time?

[Milchshake]

The ~102 million who didn't vote last time?

Ironic that people who withhold their vote ... cant comprehend where votes come from lol.

[Antiganon]

I maintain that voting should be compulsory, with fines attached for failure to vote, and that election day should be a paid holiday for everyone. Add a "none of the above" option so there is no issue with compelled speech.

[DarkTZeratul]

I maintain that voting should be compulsory, with fines attached for failure to vote, and that election day should be a paid holiday for everyone. Add a "none of the above" option so there is no issue with compelled speech.

I'm fully behind making election day a holiday, but I really don't want to force people to vote. It wouldn't result in more informed voters, it would result in more people making choices either at random or based on undesirable pretexts.

[Antiganon]

I'm fully behind making election day a holiday, but I really don't want to force people to vote. It wouldn't result in more informed voters, it would result in more people making choices either at random or based on undesirable pretexts.

You can solve that by giving out informational pamphlets containing the basic positions of each candidate with the ballots. For ballots done at a polling place, give out the pamphlet when they get in line, instead of waiting for them to reach the booth.

I'm tired of my country being run by kleptocrats thanks to the actions of the ignorant and the inaction of the apathetic.

[eschatological]

Voting should definitely be on a weekend, and there should be de facto mail-in ballots in the week prior.

There's a reason most democracies manage like 60%+ participation, while we barely get 40%.

[PACOX]

The ~102 million who didn't vote last time?

No kidding? How. If the same rhetoric in 2016 didn't get them to the polls, why will the same rhetoric work in 2020?

[DarkTZeratul]

You can solve that by giving out informational pamphlets containing the basic positions of each candidate with the ballots. For ballots done at a polling place, give out the pamphlet when they get in line, instead of waiting for them to reach the booth.

There's no reason we couldn't do that now, but you can't force people who don't want to vote or to read them.

I'm tired of my country being run by kleptocrats thanks to the actions of the ignorant and the inaction of the apathetic.

If someone chooses to be ignorant and apathetic, forcing them to vote under penalty of law won't change that. You'll just have people making ignorant and apathetic choices that carry real consequences, and that's hardly a better option.

[tho]

You can solve that by giving out informational pamphlets containing the basic positions of each candidate with the ballots.

If that were done it would become apparent that both candidates are essentially the same.

(cue blather about trans people in the military or some other issue no one cares about, or florid democrat rhetoric unmatched by any kind of actual policy).

[SirBeef]

Well,

That is how you engage in effective politics.

Tbh, it hurts the Democrats more to post and repeat positive polls than that it helps them, because plenty of people will tell to themselves: "Oh Biden is polling ahead, so I don't have to go out and vote anyway."

Obviously you haven't paid attention to jack shit since Trump became president. Polls have done nothing ut look good for Dems for the midterms, local, and special elections and turnout is higher than ever. Enthusiasm has been higher than before, more Dems have been turning out to vote despite good polls, and pretty much everywhere I see people don't let this be another 2016.

So save me the concern trolling here. As for GP, the dude was here all the time eatin and gloating when extremely biased polls favored Trump but is nowhere to be seen in politics OT when the shit hits the fan. Sorry if facts bother you.

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Exactly. The irony is that polls are never wrong - or, more appropriately, they are always wrong because they never guarantee accuracy.

They are always right. The problem is people. Polls reflect that exact snapshot in time about the specific questions asked from the specific people they were asked of. As of the polls being wrong, flip MI, WI, and PA blue in 2016, all three states won by Trump by around 70K votes each. Well within the margin of error, and Clinton has her victory. That doesn't negate those polls though.

[JohnBrown1917]

Voting should definitely be on a weekend, and there should be de facto mail-in ballots in the week prior.

There's a reason most democracies manage like 60%+ participation, while we barely get 40%.

Even 60% is low, we get like 80% on a weekday here.
Lots of people who get targeted by voter surpression also have to work on the weekends.


What would really fix the problem is putting up way more polling places. Make it a natnional holiday or put the polling places in trainstations so people can vote during commutes.

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If that were done it would become apparent that both candidates are essentially the same.

(cue blather about trans people in the military or some other issue no one cares about, or florid democrat rhetoric unmatched by any kind of actual policy).

Nah, even with how shit Biden is, he is still a lot less racist than Trump. Its conservatism vs outright fascism.
...So pretty much the same boat Poland is in.

[Shadowferal]

You list all the % chances of winning. Guess what every single one of them were right. they had Trump possibly winning the election. That means the polls were right.

So basically you asked the question so you can split hairs...what a waste.
Still salty after the loss...

[Machismo]

If that were done it would become apparent that both candidates are essentially the same.

(cue blather about trans people in the military or some other issue no one cares about, or florid democrat rhetoric unmatched by any kind of actual policy).

You've claimed many times, on many accounts that both parties have the same policy... but never managed to back it up.

[Levelfive]

No kidding? How. If the same rhetoric in 2016 didn't get them to the polls, why will the same rhetoric work in 2020?

Because this time it's being said by a man.

[Milchshake]

Lindsey Boylan and the Chapo Fanclub gonna be pissed....

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[cubby]

They are always right. The problem is people. Polls reflect that exact snapshot in time about the specific questions asked from the specific people they were asked of. As of the polls being wrong, flip MI, WI, and PA blue in 2016, all three states won by Trump by around 70K votes each. Well within the margin of error, and Clinton has her victory. That doesn't negate those polls though.

Agreed. The bandwagon people jump on shrilling about the "polls being wrong about Hillary" in 2016 is tiresome at this point. They were right up and until the election, because it was that close - with Donnie Dipshit losing the popular vote by almost 3,000,000.

[cubby]

No kidding? How. If the same rhetoric in 2016 didn't get them to the polls, why will the same rhetoric work in 2020?

You do realize that 2020 is different than 2016, right? I mean, if you don't understand that basic tenet of the current electoral picture, I'm not sure if you're ready for the next conversation.

[cubby]

They overstated the popular vote also fuckwit.

Ok, burner.

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I maintain that voting should be compulsory, with fines attached for failure to vote, and that election day should be a paid holiday for everyone. Add a "none of the above" option so there is no issue with compelled speech.

That would be interesting - the compulsory part. I can agree with the rest and definitely see the merits of it being required. Add mail-in ballots as well and I think we'd be good to go.

[Hobb]

No kidding? How. If the same rhetoric in 2016 didn't get them to the polls, why will the same rhetoric work in 2020?

Thing is it's not 2016, people now know what damage Trump is capable of doing.

You do realize that 2018 was the largest turn out in voters in history for a midterm election? It was also the third largest defeat for the republican party.

[Omega10]

The business community lines up behind Trump.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-i...161803655.html

Title: Why investors should be more terrified of a 'blue wave' of Democrats than Trump being re-elected

Note the wording. terrified is the word they used.

Another four years of President Trump may not excite everyone, but it could be way better than having what’s known as a ‘blue wave’ of Democrats taking control over the House and Senate in November — at least from an investor standpoint.

They say that 4 more years of Trump could be way better than having what's knows as a 'blue wave'

“I think the markets will be most concerned of what they call the blue wave, not just the executive branch going Democratic but certainly the Senate swings as well,” said Wells Fargo Investment Institute chief investment officer for wealth and investment management Darrell Cronk on Yahoo Finance’s The First Trade.

Cronk joins a yawning list of Wall Street strategists voicing concerns on a Joe Biden presidential win unleashes that blue wave in the House and Senate.

The mainstream media is very good at tilting messages and such. No doubt they will work hard to support the business community in their attempt to reelect Trump.