Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[AntiFascistVoter]

I'm still amused by Kaisich supporters that went hard for Bernie in the primary.

Anti-Democrat aesthetics created this Frankenstein monster by fusing parts from Brooklyn, Bergen County, and suburban America.

[Thekri]

Apparently Trump doesn't get to have any more rallies. He "Postponed" his New Hampshire rally that was supposed to be tomorrow "for one or two weeks". The reason for this was actually fairly solid, the remements of a Tropical Storm will be passing over New Hampshire at the time, so it will be pretty nasty weather, and it was an outdoor rally. Still, I don't see this rally actually being postponed, my guess is that it is never coming back.

He really doesn't want to repeat Tulsa, and New Hampshire isn't nearly as fond of Trump as Oklahoma was. New Hampshire's GOP governor refused to attend, which gives some indication of the level of Republican enthusiasm for this rally. A Governor didn't want to appear at a rally with a President of his own party, that is some Trump levels of failure.

His only other scheduled rally was in Alabama, and Alabama canceled it on him on the grounds of "We don't want to die".

[wunksta]

the link of using chips to influence birth control isn't a conspiracy. i havent said a single conspiracy theory

Why bring up birth control chips in a conversation about vaccines?

Just for reference, here is the size of the birth control chip:

[Bodonius]

My main question is who will take over when biden have to retire. If Biden quits before the election democrats might win, with creepy uncle biden i dont really see a win.

[Rasulis]

Lets see where Senate GOP super PAC (Senate Leadership Fund) is spending its advertising dollar.

The initial ad reservations: $21.8 million in North Carolina, $12.6 million in Iowa, $10.8 million in Kentucky, $9.2 million in Arizona, $7.2 million in Maine and $5.5 million in Colorado.

Aren't the three highlighted supposed to be solid red and safe states?

[Machismo]

If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

Trump increased taxes, you love him for it.

Trump increased spending, you love him for it.

Trump caused the deficits to skyrocket, you love him for it.

Trump has insulted law enforcement for years, you fucking love him for it.

Nobody buys your bullshit.

[cubby]

My main question is who will take over when biden have to retire. If Biden quits before the election democrats might win, with creepy uncle biden i dont really see a win.

I don't know how you can post something like this with a straight face. Do you even understand how a primary election works in the United States? Your *feels* don't beat out actual votes. Or are you one of those people that still can't understand how Bernie lost?

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If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

Nothing in here is even remotely correct. Or did you forget about 2018? You Trump supporters are just beyond ridiculous at this point.

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Lets see where Senate GOP super PAC (Senate Leadership Fund) is spending its advertising dollar.

The initial ad reservations: $21.8 million in North Carolina, $12.6 million in Iowa, $10.8 million in Kentucky, $9.2 million in Arizona, $7.2 million in Maine and $5.5 million in Colorado.

Aren't the three highlighted supposed to be solid red and safe states?

North Carolina is solid GOP, but the intense gerrymandering is mainly the reason behind it. Governor Cooper is a Democrat, but their House and Senate are still GOP controlled - which tells you a lot about how awful their gerrymandering has become. For Nov 2020, NC is officially a battleground state, although it has gone red the last few elections.

Iowa - not sure.

Kentucky is weird. All GOP except about half the time they elect a Democratic Governor - which they just did. But in the same election, five other state-wide seats went GOP (Grifters of Politics).

[Thee ANCOM]

If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

I love that this post ignores all other events happening in the world, its the only way republicans can fool themselves into thinking they have a chance this time around. make no mistake, if this was normal year, it would a Trump lay up victory agasint Biden. do yourself a favor? don't for one minute think you know how things are going to play out in a year much less four. no one does.

[Machismo]

I love that this post ignores all other events happening in the world, its the only way republicans can fool themselves into thinking they have a chance this time around. make no mistake, if this was normal year, it would a Trump lay up victory agasint Biden. do yourself a favor? don't for one minute think you know how things are going to play out in a year much less four. no one does.

He's also a complete and total liar on the issue, because he used to swear he wasn't a Trump supporter, until he got caught.

Yes, this is the same dude:

Poor Bowling Green just keeps getting massacred.

At this point Trump or anybody in his administration could deny the Holocaust and his supporters would back him up or spin it however they please.

To those saying this isn't a Muslim ban because it doesn't include countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, etc...I guess you are partially right. But isn't that where the "extreme vetting" comes into play? Will that be used as a prop to delay/deny entry to anyone they deem too brown or too Muslim-ey?

What do you think happens after the initial 30/90 days are up? Gets renewed or just goes away?

This is immensely more important than any stupid wall or travel ban.

By leaps and bounds.

It did read like something out of North Korea or something....betrayal of our great leader, nation, etc.

What's next? Is Trump going to send in the Feds to cities that don't comply with the travel ban? Is this going to play out like the movie, "The Siege" ?

Ironic, since Trump himself campaigned on such a pessimistic tone that the US and the world were falling apart and "only he could fix it."

But now the anti-trumpers are the paranoid ones? Pick a consistent stance FFS.

We're already neck deep in hypocrisy with all the conservative talking heads bashing "snow flakes" etc when they cried incessantly for 8 years prior and their reps slowed the government to a grind.

For some reason I don't think a similar response from Democrats this go around will work as you think, Wells. I think it only fuels the "crybaby" narrative from the right and further empowers Trump's base. The Dems are on life support right now...they desperately need a new strategy.

Well I guess it's justified since I bet about 80% or more if Trump voters probably don't even have a financial advisor...so it doesn't hurt his base all that much.

I kind of wish they would have reversed the ruling and allowed the ban to stand...here's why:

Unfortunately, when/if the next Orlando or San Bernardino happens (nevermind the fact that both were done by citizens), you just KNOW that Bannon will seize this opportunity to play to people's fears..."SEE, I TOLD YOU SO, YOU DIDN'T LET US PROTECT YOU!"

They will use it as a springboard to roll out even more extreme measures, that's when the REAL trampling of civil liberties begins. That's when they start targeting actual American citizens, all in the name of safety. The Constitution is only as good as the people who uphold it, and with people like Bannon and Conway in Trump's inner circle, I can see some sort of power grab, martial law, etc put into place. Just watch.

Not to hijack your thread, but on a very related note (meeting with the sheriffs), Trump also erroneously claims the murder rate in the US is the highest it has been in "45-47 years."

Alt facts for this alt reality we live in.

Why, because they didn't vote the way you would have liked? But when/if Trump fills the Supreme Court with a bunch of conservative justices and they vote in favor of something you like, then it's ok because they voted your way?

I'll never understand the lengths at which Trump supporters will go to defend him. I'm not even talking about this one potential story...but in general. Some of them wouldn't even defend their own mothers with this kind of fervor. Not even Mother Theresa had such a loyal following.

It's ok to criticize or be critical of the person you voted for. It doesn't make you less American.

If all this was just a "headstart" on foreign policy....why only Russia. Why not...you know....one of our actual ALLIES???

Also, the reports suggest a high volume of repeated contact, more than typically is considered the norm. Is THAT much communication needed before you even take office?

But..but..but Trump said the administration was like a well oiled machine.

Trump supporters, would you agree to a state-run media ala Iran or NK if Bannon suggested it?

Be honest.

They will start their own news network and claim it is the "official voice of the state" and phase out everyone else.

Mark my words.

Trump supporters have killed more people in North America since his inauguration than any Muslim radicals have.

What was the final tally in civilian deaths? I know, brown lives don't matter, they were all terrorists in training, etc. Just curious what the count was.

Everything out of his mouth since the very beginning has been bullshit. And for the record, he's been doing this the entire time he's posted in the politics forums. Everything he posts is disingenuous.

[Omega10]

If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

False. Biden will win, and his Vice President will serve the next two terms.

[Thelxi]

If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

You seem very optimistic about the fate of the GOP. To begin with, I'm not sure at all what the split from Trump will look like for them; I don't think anyone does. Second, if the dems control the house, senate and WH, you can be sure that some serious guardrails will be installed that will make another populist fiasco like this much harder to occur again. You can also be sure that the dems will remember exactly how far the GOP was willing to go and sell their souls to cling onto power, and don't count on the dems taking the high road any time soon post-Trump. Expect anti-corruption measures like never before, because no matter how much democrats also benefit from it they would never go as far as the GOP did with Trump. Don't expect the surviving GOP to want a repeat of Trump either.

Basically the GOP is in a hole that is much, much deeper than you seem to realize and they will have to jump through many hoops to get back on their feet. They will get there, but it will be an arduous and very hard to predict road that could take a long time.

[Felya]

If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

If Trump wins with even the low end death and infection toll that’s predicted, it’s a travesty of US political system. If Biden wins and doesn’t bring forth a form of universal coverage, it’s a travesty of US political system.

Trying to point out the the bar is and has to be different for the two. I hope people don’t mistake the above conclusions, to think I mean they are the same.

[Draco-Onis]

If we stay at this pace we’ll hit 150K by August.

If we stay the course we will hit 200-250k by November and that's the low ball estimates. That's near WW2 levels of death for the US.

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If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

Roflmao oh no the rich and mega corporations will have to pay Obama level taxation or heaven forbid Bill Clinton level. How will they be able to survive

[Fahrenheit]

If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

I’m somewhat concerned you have brain worms.

[Draco-Onis]

At the rate we’re going we could easily hit 200K by September. Nearly 1000 new families have lost loved ones most days this week and that was before hospitals hit capacity. With hospitalizations and positivity rates on the rise shit’s going to get worse before it gets better. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another shutdown in the near future.

The way things are going a shutdown seem inevitable but republican governors have swore they won't close. This is where the hammer meets the road it will be really hard to maintain that stance while the bodies are pilling up.

[CastletonSnob]

It's hard to be optimistic about America's future, because even if we do elect Biden, the Republicans might get someone as evil or more evil than Trump, but more competent.

This country can't make any meaningful progress towards issues like healthcare, education and climate change, because we'll just elect another Republican who will undo everything the previous president did.

[wunksta]

Nobody wants immense taxes

Nobody? Are you sure?

Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich
Among the 4,441 respondents to the poll, 64% strongly or somewhat agreed that “the very rich should contribute an extra share of their total wealth each year to support public programs” - the essence of a wealth tax. Results were similar across gender, race and household income. While support among Democrats was stronger, at 77%, a majority of Republicans, 53%, also agreed with the idea.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1Z9141

[Kaleredar]

It's hard to be optimistic about America's future, because even if we do elect Biden, we might get someone as evil or more evil than Trump, but more competent.

This country can't make any meaningful progress towards issues like healthcare, education and climate change, because we'll just elect another Republican who will undo everything the previous president did.

Incorrect.

Republicans are on their way out. The older, predominantly white, voter base that they rely on are becoming a smaller percentage of the American population, and republicans are doing absolutely nothing to attract other demographics. Women? No. Minorities. No. Young people? No.

[SirBeef]

If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

No one really had immense taxes ever. And spare me the 91% marginal tax rate. That was on taxes in excess of multi millions back then. Rich were still filthy rich. There was a much better thriving middle class becasue business owners decided to reinvest into their business instead of paying high marginal tax rates. So the working class made more and had much greater buying power, which just fueled the economy. It all came crashing down around Regan when he cut taxes on the rich and the top marginal tax rate by almost 50%, he had to bilk the working class by raising their taxes 11 times including doubling the payroll taxes that only working class pays.

But go on point to where these immense taxes were and show us how it hurt people.

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It's hard to be optimistic about America's future, because even if we do elect Biden, we might get someone as evil or more evil than Trump, but more competent.

This country can't make any meaningful progress towards issues like healthcare, education and climate change, because we'll just elect another Republican who will undo everything the previous president did.

BS fearmongering.

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I’m somewhat concerned you have brain worms.

They would starve.

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If we stay the course we will hit 200-250k by November and that's the low ball estimates. That's near WW2 levels of death for the US.

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Roflmao oh no the rich and mega corporations will have to pay Obama level taxation or heaven forbid Bill Clinton level. How will they be able to survive

Just go back to FDR levels and make corporations prove they improve the communities they exist in to keep their licenses.

[Zan15]

If they don't win this year they are probably finished on the national level for a long time. Nobody wants immense taxes, underfunded police and hollowed out cities like Chicago and Baltimore. And even if Biden wins, it will be short lived as he'll bring about all the above andd all but guarantee a hard right candidate winning in 2024 and beyond.

Roflmao oh no the rich and mega corporations will have to pay Obama level taxation or heaven forbid Bill Clinton level. How will they be able to survive

The horror of paying those taxes vs the huge trump tax cut i wonder what would happen to these companies and their stock prices....
https://www.macrotrends.net/2482/sp5...e-by-president