Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[JohnBrown1917]

Yeah, a 5-4 Supreme Court packed by trump. Now imagine 7-2.

Or did Biden go back in time and make sure Kavanaugh and Gorsuch got confirmed. And the Obama administration did not appoint Sotomayor and Kagan.

Magic.

You can use this argument for every single president election, gonna be fun.

[Dezerte]

I've said it in the democratic nominee thread and I'll say it here again.

You should choose the lesser evil. A protest vote, or abstaining is more likely to embolden Trump, his supporters and the future development of that ideology.

Yeah, instead of just choosing not to eat shit like normal humans would.

Westerners and their thought processes confuse me sometimes.

The analogy is a bit faulty in this aspect. You can abstain from voting in the election, but there is no actual option for having no president. Though I suppose if voter turnout was very low it wouldn't be valid? Don't know what the laws says about that in the US, but it seems unlikely to happen.

[Lenonis]

You can use this argument for every single president election, gonna be fun.

Or could you acknowledge the unique situation the SCOTUS is in instead of trying to minimize the reality by creating a false generic scenario. But you'd rather see the world burn so yeah...you do you.

[Telogrus]

Biden wins by being competent.

A competent president could have commanded the manufacture of ventilators, tests and masks.

It is that simple.

We are here because an incompetent Trump simply refused to do what was obviously required.

Instead we get Trump's grift.

A competent president doesn't hide for a week when a pandemic starts just to create a disastrous livestream that makes him look like a doddering old fool

[Edge-]

The Truth is Biden or Trump judge goes against what I would like to push for. They are both pro-corporation friendly judges, and they largely have been for the past 50+ years.

So again, this isn't an issue with most voters, and for myself isn't a strong selling point. I expect the Judges that end up on the bench will continue to undermine workers and consumer.

Out of curiosity, which of, say, Kagan or Sotomayor rulings do you disagree with? Would you say it's a majority of them? A minority of them? Are there any that stick out?

Or is this just a general, vague complain?

https://ballotpedia.org/Sonia_Sotomayor

https://ballotpedia.org/Elena_Kagan

Both are qualified as "left", with Sotomayor being even further left than RBG, and looking through their judicial careers I'm not seeing any pro-corporate patterns that stick out.

Now if you could point me to a Judge and say for certain that is who Biden will bring forward. Perhaps that could persuade some people. You can't, and all you are trying to do is make a selling point over something which you have no Fing clue whom he will appoint.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ts-good-thing/

Not from his campaign, but commentary on how, if he wants to pick a woman of color for the SCOTUS, he'll have to "look outside normal channels", and links to some potential candidates if you're interested.

Democrats aren't Republicans. We don't have things like the Heritage Foundation or Federalist Society grooming and curating activist judges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ts-good-thing/Given the Axios list about Biden Cabinet picks gives me cause for concern. [/QUOTE]

Why? Because Bloomberg is on there?

Kerry was a fine Secretary of State for the most part, wouldn't do bad being back in that position.

Rice was a fine NSA as well.

Bloomberg is garbage.

Yates is quality, she'd be a good pick.

Warren would be better in the Senate still IMO, but with her hard pro-consumer stance she's not a bad pick for Treasury.

Dimon...get the fuck outta here. Same with Finucane.

Buttigieg getting a UN Ambassador post isn't really that meaningful. It's a nice title and it can help his political career, but it's not really a position of real influence within an administration.

This is an early spitball list as the article calls out that he hadn't even begun putting his transition team together (apparently he's starting that process now), so this isn't even necessarily reflective of internal discussion within the campaign.

[Egomaniac]

Yeah, instead of just choosing not to eat shit like normal humans would.

Westerners and their thought processes confuse me sometimes.

Not voting isn't "I won't eat that shit" it's "You guys decide what shit i'm going to eat"

[Felya]

So... Cohen is getting released... over a year early, due to corona spreading in prison.

[JohnBrown1917]

Or could you acknowledge the unique situation the SCOTUS is in instead of trying to minimize the reality by creating a false generic scenario. But you'd rather see the world burn so yeah...you do you.

Nothing unique about the situation.

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I've said it in the democratic nominee thread and I'll say it here again.

You should choose the lesser evil. A protest vote, or abstaining is more likely to embolden Trump, his supporters and the future development of that ideology.


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So every single election that the GoP takes part in?

[Felya]

All that ignoring the fact that Merrick Garland couldn't even get a hearing to be confirmed because, "The Biden Rule".

Biden said that the nomination should stop the summer before the election. Republicans argued that March 16th was too late to nominate. But, yeah... that Biden rule... that’s not codified... that’s almost 3 months after Republicans pulled this shit. No wonder they got away with it...

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So every single election that the GoP takes part in?

No, every single one DNC takes part in... /facepalm

[Edge-]

My complaint about the courts is on every single level.

So your problem isn't with Biden, but you're going to blame him anyways? Cool.

There is false sense of impartiality, when it has been proven that the courts favor those already in power, those with expensive lawyers, and have a long history of siding against labor.

That actually begun (siding against labor) when Reagan started packing the courts with pro-corporate activist judges. It continues to be a problem, yes, but it's not an all-encompasing problem.

Again you can't point to a Sotomayor, Kagan, or Ginsberg because you have no way of knowing who Joe Biden will pick. Anyone at or to the right of Merrick Garland is not a selling point.

We have a lot of good ideas on who he'll pick ideologically, and it'll likely be in-line with Obama's appointees. So, what's your beef with Kagan and Sotomayor? Both are largely competent, fair justices.

All that ignoring the fact that Merrick Garland couldn't even get a hearing to be confirmed because, "The Biden Rule".

Jesus fucking christ you're just going to unironically adopt Republican/McConnell talking points?

There never was a "Biden Rule", there was no nominee or opening - https://www.politifact.com/article/2...t-nominations/

Edit: Further, you're even more wrong. His "rule" was about nominating someone after an election was held if the president didn't win. It was not about nominating someone "in an election year".

You're literally repeating debunked, false, Republican propaganda. How progressive of you!

Thanks Joe, his 1990's policies continue to screw Americans, but let's vote him into office.

And here, you're literally blaming Democrats for the behavior of Republicans.

You realize how loony bin that is, right?

You really going to try and make the case Democrats don't have think tanks funding by corporations?

Where did I say that?

How about the Center for American "Progress" funded by,

I'm aware of their existence.

However, unlike the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation, they do not cultivate and train activist judges that I'm aware of, nor are they the de-facto shortlist for Democratic nominees in the way that those two organizations are.

I'm sure Walmart, CitiGroup, and United Arab Emirates all have American Progress and labor rights as their top concern. Then there is the firebrand "progressive" in charge Neera Tanden

And what does the CAP have to do with SCOTUS nominations, specifically?

[Lenonis]

Nothing unique about the situation.

Being proud of ignorance isn't a redeeming trait just FYI.

[Noxx79]

My complaint about the courts is on every single level. There is false sense of impartiality, when it has been proven that the courts favor those already in power, those with expensive lawyers, and have a long history of siding against labor. Again you can't point to a Sotomayor, Kagan, or Ginsberg because you have no way of knowing who Joe Biden will pick. Anyone at or to the right of Merrick Garland is not a selling point.

All that ignoring the fact that Merrick Garland couldn't even get a hearing to be confirmed because, "The Biden Rule".


Thanks Joe, his 1990's policies continue to screw Americans, but let's vote him into office.




You really going to try and make the case Democrats don't have think tanks funding by corporations?

How about the Center for American "Progress" funded by,



I'm sure Walmart, CitiGroup, and United Arab Emirates all have American Progress and labor rights as their top concern. Then there is the firebrand "progressive" in charge Neera Tanden

Biden rule never existed. You’re believing Mitch McConnell’s lie like a good sheep.

Wait, you admit you have no way of knowing who Biden will pick. Why don’t you say that about any of your preferred candidates?

Garbage answer for a garbage argument.

[Dezerte]

So every single election that the GoP takes part in?

If the GOP continues to win, especially with candidates like Trump, then... yes?

[Lenonis]

It feels great being gas-light by a moderator. Good Job.

Says the guy trying to convince us that Biden's judicial picks would be as bad as Trump's. You are unreal.

[Egomaniac]

My preferred candidate had a track record to defend his potential judicial picks. Biden own voting record does the opposite.

Your preferred candidate lost.

Most people can say the same.

[Shadowferal]

Well, Abrams and Warren have both tossed their names in for VP.
Either one gets my vote.

[Egomaniac]

Try and stay on subject then.

Try not to bring up what "your preferred candidate" would do then.

[Milchshake]

Try not to bring up what "your preferred candidate" would do then.

Funny, they didnt mention the latest text that Bernie just sent out to his followers...

Makes you wonder if they really supported the guy. Or just joined some social media bandwagon to troll te libs?

"The DNC is the only official party committee that works to elect Democrats at all levels of government across the country. That's important." - Sen. Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (I-VT)




$27 for Biden

[beanman12345]

Says the guy trying to convince us that Biden's judicial picks would be as bad as Trump's. You are unreal.

Yeah his argument isn't really thought out well.

[Lenonis]

I never said that.

Please stop gaslight us.