Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[breadisfunny]

I'll say you and bullshit, given that you're too craven and dishonest to even say what country you're from.

i thought he said once he was from the netherlands or something?

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I love all the new Trump supporters who don’t understand that anything but a vote for Biden is a vote for Trump at this point. Being childish will get you 4 more years of this bullshit. Grow up, suck it up, and do the right thing.

biden is not entitled to get my vote. he needs to convince why he deserves it.

[breadisfunny]

Anger.

When you get people angry enough they just want to see the world burn.

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There is nothing to link, it was in the news report by the Hill. The video posted a few posts before my comment.

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The Democratic Party are seen as career politicians.

They are thus held responsible for any decline or hardship that working class people had to deal with for the past few decades.

This might obviously not be factual, but elections are about sentiments and messages, not about facts or logic (else Ben Shapiro would be president right now *ba-dum-tish*)

ben shapiro president....../shudder. almost as bad as trump.

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I'd rather just treat the election as a mature adult.

so now we've devolved into calling non biden voters children? really THIS is how your going to argue to vote for biden?

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Sums up the Biden Campaign very well, but hey he isn't Trump.

I'm still waiting for his VP pick, and a lot is riding on that for myself.

i'm in pretty much the same boat. if he picks bernie i would hesitantly vote for him. if not then no dice. i will likely then just sit it out or maybe vote third party if the green party brings up anyone of interest.

[Adam Jensen]

I keep trying to get this point across but people keep acting like I won't vote for Biden, so let me say up front....I'm voting for Biden. I'd vote for a used condom from a meth head before i'd vote for Trump.

However, you guys need to be more receptive to actual liberalism. If you're only worry is beating guys like trump, just like with W, the Democratic party will keep moving towards the right.

I don't like Biden, I wish Bernie had won. This country needs serious progressive change. But with the shitty two party system we have now and the two candidates we have to pick from, one will be a milquetoast lackluster president who'll take us neither forward nor backward, the other is a fucking moron who's stupidity and narcissism has actually gotten Americans killed.

I hoping that, if progressivism lost the presidency (which it obviously did) that maybe we can make headway in Congress instead.

[Themius]

ben shapiro president....../shudder. almost as bad as trump.

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so now we've devolved into calling non biden voters children? really THIS is how your going to argue to vote for biden?

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i'm in pretty much the same boat. if he picks bernie i would hesitantly vote for him. if not then no dice. i will likely then just sit it out or maybe vote third party if the green party brings up anyone of interest.

Any person who doesn't vote for Biden but did support Bernie, doesn't give a fuck about Bernie's policies.

[Orbitus]

What will happen if Biden have to pull out of the race? Who will be the democrat? To be honest I can see that happen.


(And it probably be someone that everyone likes more then Biden)...

If Biden has to pull out of the race, then Trump would have been removed via the 25th 2 fucking years ago.

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If Trump dont win something really big would have to had happen between now and election.
Death is pretty much the only thing that would stop Trump now.

Or, you know, spurring on retards to "take to the streets" to watch thousands of people to die.

[Theodarzna]

Perhaps the Democrats should have thought about that in 2013 when they paved the way for the Nuclear Option. A decision that would later be used by the GOP controlled Senate and Executive to green light a lot of judges. Still it's pretty simple, the Democrats just need to win control over the Senate and they won't have to worry if Trump is elected.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/22/polit...ngs/index.html

If Replacing RBG is so critical, and these people will "Vote Blue no Matter Who" why not run Sanders and please everyone?

[Orbitus]

Well 4 years of Biden sounds worse lol

Not even close. You have to be ignorant of current events, to see that Biden is worse than Trump. At least Biden wouldn't push a drug that probably isn't working as a cure. And he would listen to scientists and doctors over his own uneducated gut.

[Theodarzna]

Not even close. You have to be ignorant of current events, to see that Biden is worse than Trump. At least Biden wouldn't push a drug that probably isn't working as a cure. And he would listen to scientists and doctors over his own uneducated gut.

Biden's Neo-Liberal ideology and the policies it produced led us to Trumps presidency, what untold horrors will chugging even more of that poison do?

[Adam Jensen]

Not even close. You have to be ignorant of current events, to see that Biden is worse than Trump. At least Biden wouldn't push a drug that probably isn't working as a cure. And he would listen to scientists and doctors over his own uneducated gut.

Biden at minimum would at least listen to and take the advice of medical experts in this crisis. Trump rambles incoherently from one stupid idea to the next while bragging about TV ratings and ranting about reporters.

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Biden's Neo-Liberal ideology and the policies it produced led us to Trumps presidency, what untold horrors will chugging even more of that poison do?

Okay, so another 4 years of grift and stupidity from Trump then?

[Orbitus]

Biden's Neo-Liberal ideology and the policies it produced led us to Trumps presidency, what untold horrors will chugging even more of that poison do?

How about HUNDREDS of thousands, possibly even MILLIONS dying because of this. It is clear he isn't trying to get rid of this virus. Not to mention, Trump is literally raiding the tax payers' coffers to pay for his businesses that are failing because of how shitty he is.

[shimerra]

If Replacing RBG is so critical, and these people will "Vote Blue no Matter Who" why not run Sanders and please everyone?

Let's just ignore the person not smart enough to realize that if sanders "pleased everyone" he'd be the nominee.

[Felya]

What am I making up?

That elections are about sentiments rather than facts and logic?

The thing you called “obviously not factual”? Why perpetuate the lie?

I'm also pretty sure that I'm not making up the strong discontent and feelings of anger among the working class people right now towards 'whomever is in charge' or seen as to be in charge (the deep state etc.) One of the reasons why Trump got elected to begin with...

This is obviously not factual, since fucking Trump is in charge. Wtf?

Not directly. I'm assuming that if the Hill reports that Democrats aren't scoring well among working class voters, worse than Hillary did, that they must be basing it on something.

Could it be based on “obviously not factual”?

I mean, I could look deeper into it, but to me it rings true so there is no real passion or desire for me to look further into it.

Yes, bias...

Walks like the truth, quacks like the truth, must be the truth.

Accept, you fucked up and called it “obviously not factual”.

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If Replacing RBG is so critical, and these people will "Vote Blue no Matter Who" why not run Sanders and please everyone?

Uhm... because he didn’t appeal to democrats...

Let's just ignore the person not smart enough to realize that if sanders "pleased everyone" he'd be the nominee.

It’s absurd... The last two pages are people willfully and admittedly spreading lies, to support an oligarch.

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Biden's Neo-Liberal ideology and the policies it produced led us to Trumps presidency, what untold horrors will chugging even more of that poison do?

No, they lead us to 8 years of Obama. The last 4 years have been brought by people who claim Trump will stop corporate elites.

[Themius]

That makes no sense. Biden hasn't adopted any of Bernie's main policies or the Democratic Primary voters policies for that matter.

Democratic primary voter EXIT POLLING SHOWS THEY WANT M4A so you’re wrong on that last point.

Secondly he has... the main thing with Biden is that he can evolve on issues and will go with what the house decides. Which means you need to fucking vote down ballot to make sure the house is acceptable.

For some reason these anti Biden people who loved Bernie forget about the fucking down ballot votes as if that has anything to do with the presidency.

“We didn’t get Bernie, that’s sad, now tell me why you’re refusing to vote for the progressives down ballot?”

Not voting and allowing trump an easier win is madness. Biden is a stall or a marginal step forwards. Trump is a monumental step back. There is no logic to going against Biden and ignoring down ballot votes and measures.

[Felya]

There is no logic to going against Biden and ignoring down ballot votes and measures.

Trump trolls Bernie supporters, urging them to turn against Joe Biden
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/09/tru...nst-joe-biden/

The response I got was largely a bunch of scoffing. How could a Republican like Trump attack Biden — or Sen. Bernie Sanders or Sen. Elizabeth Warren or any potential Democratic nominee — from the left? He's to their right! No one will fall for that, people told me, confident in their belief that it was un-possible for Trump to be shameless enough to argue that one should throw the election to him in order to advance progressive goals, or that anyone on the left would be stupid enough to fall for that tactic. I got into a series of frustrating social media arguments with people, mostly older men, talking at me like I was a silly child for even imagining such a thing was possible.

So... yeah...

Edit: It’s subversive... basically a way to support Trump, without having to justify it, as supporting Trump. You know... because that would be ludicrous... even Trump supporters know better.

[Kasierith]

Trump trolls Bernie supporters, urging them to turn against Joe Biden
https://www.salon.com/2020/04/09/tru...nst-joe-biden/



So... yeah...

Edit: It’s subversive... basically a way to support Trump, without having to justify it, as supporting Trump. You know... because that would be ludicrous... even Trump supporters know better.

Just last night had someone no one had ever seen before come into a big law and politics discord I'm in claiming to be a Sanders supporter, but ending up talking about how powerful and charismatic Trump is. And the only hope for the left was to find a Trump of the left, and Biden had no hope of winning. At one point he even said verbatim centrists must die. A few other members mentioned they've seen similar people popping up in other discords, with very similar rhetoric. Seems like something is going on.

[beanman12345]

I think you've completely gone off the rails here or misunderstood me.

I explained that people's voting behavior isn't based on facts. That is what I meant with "might not be factual".

That the Democratic Party scores horribly bad with working class people... That is something that the Democratic Party should work on, but seems to refuse to do...

Also, is the Hill that bad? They seem pretty reliable to me, or at least I've not noticed any particular bias on their reporting the past few years. They've been criticizing Trump's incompetence plenty. Taking a moment to also point out the incompetence of the Democratic Party doesn't suddenly make them boogeymen or bad journalists...

John Kennedy pushed some bullshit about Ukraine hacking the DNC, which the The Hill claimed was russian disinformation campaign and false, and then pushed and repeated the lie 9 times two days later on twitter. This was shortly after the whole John Solomon bullshit they crapped out. That site lost all credibility and is just a complete mess.

[Telogrus]

That new interview....

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-stumble...192859533.html

It’s just his stutter! He’s always had it! Nothing to see here!

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Barely though.

Speaking as a non-tribalistic observer.

Let’s be honest even Trump is more articulate than Biden. At least with Trump you get the gist of what he’s saying. With Biden, half the time it’s completely incoherent, and half the time it’s barely coherent

[breadisfunny]

It means those 40% are part of the suppressed votes that support the GOP. It’s either a passive vote or an active vote. Make your choice and stop pretending you’re somehow taking the high ground by doing what the GOP wants.

so because they don't vote they support the gop? wtf. i would say 'what kind of logic is this?' but this has no basis in logic.

[Themius]

Biden has shown repeated he doesn't want Universal Health Care and to the point he said he'd Veto it.

I'll be voting and I will research each candidate, even for local elections in my tiny ass town. If Biden has not convinced me to vote for him then I will leave the top of the ticket blank. Before you get too upset, I live in a solid blue state, plus every Presidential Election has been called before my state had even finished counting. So yeah my votes never really mattered in a general election.

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Did the GOP want Obama to win 2008 and 2012? More Americans didn't vote then either.

Your logic is so one sided its difficult t take seriously. This isn't a sports game it does no good to view that way.

No 40% of Americans voters aren't suppressed . They just know neither political party gives a shit about them really. So they don't vote.

So voter suppression doesn’t exist? Despite what we know to be suppression?

Also stop spreading lies and half truths.

Biden’s actual answer raised a lot of doubts about the hypothetical situation but wasn’t quite that plain.

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Here’s what O’Donnell asked Biden: "Let’s flash forward — you are president. Bernie Sanders is still active in the Senate. He manages to get Medicare for All through the Senate in some compromise version, the Elizabeth Warren version or other version. Nancy Pelosi gets a version of it through the House of Representatives. It comes to your desk. Do you veto it?"

"I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now," Biden said.

"If they got that through by some miracle, there was an epiphany that occurred, and some miracle occurred that said okay, it passed, then you got to look at the costs. I want to know, how do they find the $35 trillion? What is that doing? Is it going to significantly raise taxes on the middle class, which it will. What’s going to happen?"

It’s a shit answer. It isn’t a “I will veto” it is a “what’s the cost can it be paid for will it raise taxes on the middle?” Which should hint at if it can be paid he wouldn’t veto it but let’s continue lying?

[Felya]

Just last night had someone no one had ever seen before come into a big law and politics discord I'm in claiming to be a Sanders supporter, but ending up talking about how powerful and charismatic Trump is. And the only hope for the left was to find a Trump of the left, and Biden had no hope of winning. At one point he even said verbatim centrists must die. A few other members mentioned they've seen similar people popping up in other discords, with very similar rhetoric. Seems like something is going on.

Yeah, that’s why I linked the article. I didn’t want to just be anecdotal or point at posters. It is happening and being pushed by Trump him self.

You have to remember, as long as Biden is running against Trump, Trump can’t win. As a result, Trump is doing both, running against the deep state instead of Biden, while also trying to make it a three person race with Bernie write ins. It’s exemplified in all the ‘vote oligarch to stop the establishment’ nonsense...

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It’s a shit answer. It isn’t a “I will veto” it is a “what’s the cost can it be paid for will it raise taxes on the middle?” Which should hint at if it can be paid he wouldn’t veto it but let’s continue lying?

While the alternative is...



Uhm... the lyrics are surprisingly political... for a wrestling entrance theme... I never paid attention beyond “no chance in hell”...

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At least with Trump you get the gist of what he’s saying.

Yes, that’s why there are so many White House press releases, that explain what Trump really meant. Bigly covafefe...