Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

I think you've completely gone off the rails here or misunderstood me.

No, simple misunderstandings don’t result in telling someone they “gone off the rails”. When it’s that aggressive of a response... the layman term is “hit a nerve”.

I explained that people's voting behavior isn't based on facts. That is what I meant with "might not be factual".

Oh I understand, ‘isn’t’ and ‘might’ are not synonymous and I believe I responded to “isn’t”.

That the Democratic Party scores horribly bad with working class people... That is something that the Democratic Party should work on, but seems to refuse to do...

But, that’s not factual. Do you want Democrats to put on a show or parade? I’m not sure what you want Democrats to do, when they propose policy to help the middle class, while Trump is giving corporations a 15% tax cut. Expanding healthcare and education, isn’t something establishment cares about... because they are not the ones that can’t afford it. So, why the misrepresentation?

]Also, is the Hill that bad? They seem pretty reliable to me, or at least I've not noticed any particular bias on their reporting the past few years. They've been criticizing Trump's incompetence plenty. Taking a moment to also point out the incompetence of the Democratic Party doesn't suddenly make them boogeymen or bad journalists...

No, I said nothing of the hill. I asked you to verify your assertions, instead of going off a quote, without any source. Why is that so offensive and why the need to shift blame to the hill? You do have personal autonomy? It’s not like I told you get an abortion... lol?

[Theodarzna]

Let's just ignore the person not smart enough to realize that if sanders "pleased everyone" he'd be the nominee.

If Sanders were the nominee would you not vote for the Democratic ticket?

[Endus]

If Replacing RBG is so critical, and these people will "Vote Blue no Matter Who" why not run Sanders and please everyone?

1> That isn't how primaries work. The DNC isn't choosing the candidate, based on a whim. It's based on votes.
2> Not enough people wanted Bernie Sanders. A lot more wanted Biden. That's why Sanders is out, and Biden is the candidate.

The DNC ignoring the votes and declaring Sanders the candidate by fiat would do far more damage than continuing to abide by the will of their constituents, as they always have.

We're talking about a vocal subset of Sanders supporters, who were themselves a minority among Democrats to begin with. They do not represent the majority, in any respect whatsoever.

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But, that’s not factual. Do you want Democrats to put on a show or parade? I’m not sure what you want Democrats to do, when they propose policy to help the middle class, while Trump is giving corporations a 15% tax cut. Expanding healthcare and education, isn’t something establishment cares about... because they are not the ones that can’t afford it. So, why the misrepresentation?

The argument seems to be that the rubes prefer comforting lies to uncomfortable truths, so the Democrats need to start lying their asses off to the working classes rather than proposing actual policy to address their needs.

It doesn't make any goddamned sense.

[Machismo]

If Sanders were the nominee would you not vote for the Democratic ticket?

If Sanders were the nominee, would you vote for him, or would you still stick with your boy, Trump?

[shimerra]

If Sanders were the nominee would you not vote for the Democratic ticket?

Sure I would. I feel embarrassed for you that I have to point this out I am not every voter. And I don't feel I should have to point this out but apparently I do: just look at the Bernie whiners like yourself. Well maybe not you but the ones who didn't forget they spent years basically shilling for Trump. But you said it'd make everyone happy. A clearly dumb statement because it obviously wouldn't. Just as Biden has pissed off some Bernie supporters Bernie, the loser through his own fault of the primary, definitely will have some who will be as vitriolic towards Bernie.


Your statement only works if everyone who's fine with voting Biden, because he's better than Trump or any other reason, is automatically a blue no matter who. Something a toddler would be able to discern is not the case. And again using the evidence that Bernie has now run such poor campaigns relying on young voters, who don't show up in the general let alone the primary, and giving a finger basically to everyone who clutches their pearls and says dumb shit like "keep your socialism out of my medicare" he couldn't even win an election overwhelmingly populated by left wing(American left wing) voters let alone one with a significant amount of Republicans even you would have to conclude you'd just changing one problem for another and arguably a much worse problem because again Bernie lost.

I have no issues with Bernie's platform. I'd actually support it even if his cult of personality doesn't seem to like he's light on the how to get there but full on the promises. But he'd be a mediocre actual president if we want anyone other than a seat warmer to slap out executive orders and judge nominations. But I'd still happily vote for him because maybe he'd get lucky and slip through a few things he's pushing for and he'd in every way be better than Trump. Just like Biden.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Infighting like this is why Trump won last time. Swallow your pride and vote for the guy who isn't Hitler with dementia. Anyone who doesn't vote because "Waaah, Sanders was out and Biden was in" doesn't get to complain if Trump wins again.

It's sickening. Trump is literally getting people killed because of the way he and his administration has done things. Putting refugees in cages because they weren't white. Calling Covid a hoax and ignoring advice from professionals who warned about it a head of time.

But because Biden isn't as far left as Sanders, you won't vote. Sanders himself has said "I support Biden." If he'll swallow his pride, I wish his followers would. The US is going to burn while some people do nothing but complain.

[JohnBrown1917]

Infighting like this is why Trump won last time. Swallow your pride and vote for the guy who isn't Hitler with dementia. Anyone who doesn't vote because "Waaah, Sanders was out and Biden was in" doesn't get to complain if Trump wins again.

Oh, they'll vote, but for the green party.

But because Biden isn't as far left as Sanders, you won't vote. Sanders himself has said "I support Biden." If he'll swallow his pride, I wish his followers would. The US is going to burn while some people do nothing but complain.

The difference is that Biden is right-wing, and as you might know, those who supported Sanders are not a cult.


As for those us outside the US, I don't think many care what party is dropping the bombs.

[breadisfunny]

Infighting like this is why Trump won last time. Swallow your pride and vote for the guy who isn't Hitler with dementia. Anyone who doesn't vote because "Waaah, Sanders was out and Biden was in" doesn't get to complain if Trump wins again.

It's sickening. Trump is literally getting people killed because of the way he and his administration has done things. Putting refugees in cages because they weren't white. Calling Covid a hoax and ignoring advice from professionals who warned about it a head of time.

But because Biden isn't as far left as Sanders, you won't vote. Sanders himself has said "I support Biden." If he'll swallow his pride, I wish his followers would. The US is going to burn while some people do nothing but complain.

what's truly is disgusting is attitudes like this that is pretty much tribalism and "do as we tell you or else." you more you tell something to do something the less likely they are to do said thing. they have to make up their own mind.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Breaking!!!
So the Green and Libertarian Party will likely not be on the ballot in WI and PA - where they played spoiler in 2016 and helped put Trump in office.




I hear Putin and Assad apologists are very upset, the GOP as well

[Telogrus]

Breaking!!!
So the Green and Libertarian Party will likely not be on the ballot in WI and PA - where they played spoiler in 2016 and helped put Trump in office.




I hear Putin and Assad apologists are very upset, the GOP as well

Anyone who planned on voting 3rd party would just write their names in if they weren’t on the ballot

[Santti]

what's truly is disgusting is attitudes like this that is pretty much tribalism and "do as we tell you or else." you more you tell something to do something the less likely they are to do said thing. they have to make up their own mind.

I don't see this as tribalism, at all. This is getting an insane gorilla out of the White House. And Biden is now the only one in place to do that. Of course you have to make up your own mind. D'oh! But if you'd rather ignore all the reasoning behind why voting for Biden is a good idea, and rather focus on the "Don't tell me what to do, waaah!", then that's on you.

[JohnBrown1917]

Breaking!!!
So the Green and Libertarian Party will likely not be on the ballot in WI and PA - where they played spoiler in 2016 and helped put Trump in office.

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I hear Putin and Assad apologists are very upset, the GOP as well

Don't you have anything better than "Anybody who is not a democrat is a russian bot"?

[JohnBrown1917]

No they really don't. They aren't even interesting in hearing or discussing opinions. Notice how they said both the Green and Libertarians played spoiler rolls, as if Hillary stood a chance in hell at getting the Libertarian vote or that even without Jill Stein Hillary still would have lost. You could give Hillary every one of Jill Stien votes, which would never happen, and Hillary still would have lost Wisconsin. It's clear logic never comes into play as does them checking the math in their own assertion. The Truth of the matter in both Wisconsin and Pennsylvania Gary Johnson got a larger portion of the vote and probably took more votes from Trump then Jill Stein did from Hillary.

Well, it must be hard for him, Sanders dropped out, so he has to shitpost about another left-wing politician.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

what's truly is disgusting is attitudes like this that is pretty much tribalism and "do as we tell you or else." you more you tell something to do something the less likely they are to do said thing. they have to make up their own mind.

Tribalism has nothing to do with it. I absolutely hate voting Democrat. I was a life-long Republican until the last election. But I saw Trump for exactly what he is and voted for Hilary. She was the only one who stood a chance in the end. And idiots who decided their pride was more important than electing a demented lunatic with zero morals either with-held their votes or voted for a 3rd party, which generally hasn't worked.

This isn't some silly threat of "If you don't vote for x, then I'll do x to you." This is me saying "If you're going to waste your vote, you're not helping anyone and if Trump wins, you should know better than think you did anything to help get him out." This is black and white. Trump is evil, period.

[Thepersona]

Well, it must be hard for him, Sanders dropped out, so he has to shitpost about another left-wing politician.

Sanders dropped out, and endorsed Biden. Right now Biden is the only alternative that the planet has to get rid of the orange cancer. And Biden is adoptinc policy positions from Sanders (which was an obvious outcome, but nevertheless).

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Tribalism has nothing to do with it. I absolutely hate voting Democrat. I was a life-long Republican until the last election. But I saw Trump for exactly what he is and voted for Hilary. She was the only one who stood a chance in the end. And idiots who decided their pride was more important than electing a demented lunatic with zero morals either with-held their votes or voted for a 3rd party, which generally hasn't worked.

This isn't some silly threat of "If you don't vote for x, then I'll do x to you." This is me saying "If you're going to waste your vote, you're not helping anyone and if Trump wins, you should know better than think you did anything to help get him out." This is black and white. Trump is evil, period.

And this. Trump is evil, is an incompetent evil man, with 40k corpses on his lap.

[Machismo]

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Evidence, please. I would love to see these "objective measurements."

[Kasierith]

Remember when Trump got a lot of people on board talking about Clintons supposed warmongering, and that he would keep the US out of conflicts by giving a tough guy act that meant US soldiers wouldn't need to put boots on the ground?

Lies back then and lies now.

[Felya]

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Uhm... Trump has bombed far more than Obama did.

Under Donald Trump, drone strikes far exceed Obama’s numbers
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/20...bama-s-numbers

The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama’s tenure, according to a count by The Associated Press and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

Experts also say drone strikes under President Trump have surged in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

And, as was the case during Obama’s presidency, these strikes have resulted in untold numbers of civilian casualties. According to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, U.S. drone strikes in Afghanistan killed more than 150 civilians in the first nine months of 2018.

Amnesty International reports drones have killed at least 14 civilians in Somalia since 2017.

As of January of this year, U.S. drone strikes fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria have killed at least 1,257 civilians, according to the Pentagon, and a monitoring group, Airwars, estimates the number to be as great as 7,500.

[Machismo]

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So, you made claims, refused to back them up... then whined about evidence that refuted your baseless claims.

Does that pretty much cover it?

[Felya]

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What are you basing this on, outside of bias?

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When presented with facts that your assertions are wrong, you dismiss them without a legitimate reason. Then you tell me you don’t give a fuck either way. Then you have the gull to think I am endorsing anyone? At least I don’t ignore reality, to maintain indignation, that you also don’t give a fuck about.

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Does that pretty much cover it?

He also both said he didn’t care, then acted indignant. As if calling republicans “retarded” excuses the behavior he is exhibiting...

For fuck’s sake... you can’t act indignant, after saying you don’t care. Pretending you don’t care, then to ask the equivalent of ‘what is wrong with your for nothing caring as much...’ is absurd... I care a million times more than he does... I know that for a fact, because according to him... his care is 0...

Edit: Had a solid prostitute joke earlier, now nailed a math joke... damn... today was a good day...