Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

I said your question was dumb, becasue it was. I answered your question, you ignored it to try and get some weird gotcha out of it and it blew up in your face. can we move on now?

I didn’t ignore it, in fact I responded that I didn’t see it. That’s far from ignore it, since I responded once I did see it. I simply told you, that instead of calling the question dumb, you should have answered in the first place.

Since then, you have said you feel comfortable going after dems, which even when ignoring your tact... makes the question valid, since you choose to go after dems, instead of Trump. In case you haven’t noticed, Texas is also repeating left twitter statements about her being a DA and relating her to a cop. Texas, also claims to not be a Trump supporter.

FYI... when I move on, you’ll be able to tell, without me trying to have the last word.

[starlord]

So not the STATE leaders, but just Trump. Trump who offered them help, and they took it up until they did not want help. So just Trump.

So Joe Biden is responsible for the cities being looted and riots. He is the leader of the democratic party and they run Chicago, Seattle, New York, Minneapolis. Joe Biden is responsible for Seattle business closing due to protesters stealing from them. Joe Biden is responsible for Chicago. Because Trump offered help and they told him to pound sand, they got it. The democrat party has it under control, so Joe Biden.

trump did not feel it was necessary to make a coordinated federal response even though it was in his power. he chose to twiddle his thumbs and try to shift blame to the states in a moment of crisis.
thats very weak leadership.
he very well could have "redeemed" himself in the eyes of many if he had just.... done his actual job instead of posturing and blustering.
trump's blown this pandemic spectacularly & the death count is still rising.

[RadasNoir]

Trump sharing a BLM video, instead of a supporter screaming “White Power”............ by “accident”...

He's already made it clear how he sees Biden and the Democrats, despite supposedly not wearing "HATE" glasses, so I am genuinely curious how he actually sees Trump. Some sort of poor, misunderstood victim?

[Thee ANCOM]

Since then, you have said you feel comfortable going after dems, which even when ignoring your tact... makes the question valid, since you choose to go after dems, instead of Trump.

this topic isn't about Trump.

[TexasRules]

Trump send Federal "law enforcement" Troops in unmarked vans, uniforms, and non-conforming regalia, to kidnap U.S. citizens off the streets. And as soon as those federal thugs left, the violence stopped.

TexasLies

More name calling, it's hard to take you seriously when you only post your view of a story. Federal agents are still there. Still there. Kidnapping seems harsh, I am sure there would be lawsuits filed by these victims, please feel free to link me where the victims filed suits after kidnapping. Unmarked vans used by law enforcement, non conforming regalia ...shocking that law enforcement would use such tactics. I wonder how they do undercover operations with their black and white cars with police written all over them. Or try to bust drug dealers with their uniforms blazing POLICE everywhere. How do they stop such criminals?

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trump did not feel it was necessary to make a coordinated federal response even though it was in his power. he chose to twiddle his thumbs and try to shift blame to the states in a moment of crisis.
thats very weak leadership.
he very well could have "redeemed" himself in the eyes of many if he had just.... done his actual job instead of posturing and blustering.
trump's blown this pandemic spectacularly & the death count is still rising.

Soooo when state's refuse Trump's help, it is still his fault. At no point have you countered that argument, you just keep saying it's his fault. Everythign is Trump's fault and in no way does a state that refuses help share any burden of blame. Just Trump.

[Benggaul]

All I have to do is point at the * that was quoted along. I put it there because:

A. I was waiting for someone to post the follow-up image.
B. I was also expecting reactions such as these.

I know I probably blew your mind right now with my vast capabilities of predicting the predictable.

Oh no, you've been predictable from the start. I'm sure it's at least part of the reason you decided to change your name--to try to sneak away from the shell of your former avatar that has consistently been crushed by people successfully picking your brittle arguments apart piece by piece. Every time you do one of three things: switch arguments once you start losing and focus on something completely different, ignore arguments that disprove your point and push your bullshit narrative through, or just claim you've been playing 4d chess and all of this is what you meant all along.

Yeah, yeah, we get it: "omg both sides r teh same!" Except they aren't and no attempts by you to try to force reality to match your delusion have ever born fruit. But that doesn't stop you from playing that same song over and over...

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[Edge-]

Unmarked vans used by law enforcement, non conforming regalia ...shocking that law enforcement would use such tactics.

You're right, it is.

I wonder how they do undercover operations with their black and white cars with police written all over them.

These were not undercover operations. And even in undercover operations, when they make an arrest they declare who they are rather than simply vanish people into vans.

Actually, that's not even true, as we've seen departments like NYPD have long used unmarked vans to pick protest leaders off the street for the dangerous crimes of *checks notes* vandalism, without any "undercover" operations - https://gothamist.com/news/video-sho...r-unmarked-van

[cubby]

Name calling as is the coin of liberal debate Please link me where Coumo did not have sick people put in nursing homes? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/n...ronavirus.html Here's an article talking about the state directive that sent positive patients to nursing homes, link me where he did not do this.

Awwwwww, look at you lying again about what name calling means. Remember, calling someone what they are isn't an insult, it's accurately describing them. Your ilk think it's an insult because you can't bare to face what you really represent.

Let's take your whine that Trump is responsible for everything that happens. If Trump offers help but democrat controlled states and cities REFUSE the help, how is that his fault?

"Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."
-Donald J. Trump

Trump's own words. The United States' failure to address the global pandemic is 100% his fault. His. Own. Words.

I linked proof what you are saying is not remotely true, you say I am outright lying but prove nothing but use your words and name calling..."Exactly the answer we expect from people like you when faced with facts and logic. Keep on truckin' though - just know you're making the world worse with every post. Congrats! "

So far we're the only ones dealing in facts and logic - all your side has is hatred, lies, false links, undated tweets, and an inability to understand that Trump is a plague on this world. You just chug his kool-aid and remain a traitor to this country by backing him. Congrats on making the world worse.

[TexasRules]

You mean, me who showed you an example of opportunistic grifting in the style of Kamala, not only by my own posts, but by making half a post and waiting for someone else's reaction to have it come full circle. Me, who was able to predict the replies and can proove it by pointing back to a mark I made in the first post, a mark which I never used before in any other posts?

Of course the mental gymnastics of the people that walked into the trap and those who claimed that my screenshot must've been doctored is also amusing. Me, the intellectual that can appreciate such humor by making people post exactly what I wanted?

Kamala Harris was picked to shore up the Clinton wing of the party, aka still not progressive. They will lose votes for not being more progressive. This is a struggle within the democratic party. It's going to get even bigger if they lose. Kamala Harris is a bad pick, that is why she dropped like a rock when Tulsi brought up 1, just 1 fact about her days as an AG. Wait until they show the light on everything she did. She is fake, that is why people dumped her for President. She is going to get lit up by the 5000 non violent offenders she did not release at the urging of the supreme court.

[cubby]

More name calling, it's hard to take you seriously when you only post your view of a story. Federal agents are still there. Still there. Kidnapping seems harsh, I am sure there would be lawsuits filed by these victims, please feel free to link me where the victims filed suits after kidnapping. Unmarked vans used by law enforcement, non conforming regalia ...shocking that law enforcement would use such tactics. I wonder how they do undercover operations with their black and white cars with police written all over them. Or try to bust drug dealers with their uniforms blazing POLICE everywhere. How do they stop such criminals?

You lie so much you can't even see them any more. Remind us again, were those federal thugs busting drug dealers?

You don't even understand undercover operations. Or do police not identify themselves prior to arrests? How far back do we have to go to explain this stuff to you?

[Benggaul]

So you haven't even bothered to read the thread then. Thanks for letting us know.

Hah it's back to its old bullshit, eh? Hell, I myself posted that I feared her background would get her treated unfairly. Of course it might have me on ignore, but I know I wasn't the only one to voice that concern.

[starlord]

More name calling, it's hard to take you seriously when you only post your view of a story. Federal agents are still there. Still there. Kidnapping seems harsh, I am sure there would be lawsuits filed by these victims, please feel free to link me where the victims filed suits after kidnapping. Unmarked vans used by law enforcement, non conforming regalia ...shocking that law enforcement would use such tactics. I wonder how they do undercover operations with their black and white cars with police written all over them. Or try to bust drug dealers with their uniforms blazing POLICE everywhere. How do they stop such criminals?

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Soooo when state's refuse Trump's help, it is still his fault. At no point have you countered that argument, you just keep saying it's his fault. Everythign is Trump's fault and in no way does a state that refuses help share any burden of blame. Just Trump.

whining that everyone should take pity on trump after he said "i take no responsibility" for a pandemic he let spiral out of control isn't a good look for his "alpha" image.

[Draco-Onis]

More name calling, it's hard to take you seriously when you only post your view of a story. Federal agents are still there. Still there. Kidnapping seems harsh, I am sure there would be lawsuits filed by these victims, please feel free to link me where the victims filed suits after kidnapping. Unmarked vans used by law enforcement, non conforming regalia ...shocking that law enforcement would use such tactics. I wonder how they do undercover operations with their black and white cars with police written all over them. Or try to bust drug dealers with their uniforms blazing POLICE everywhere. How do they stop such criminals?

There are several criminal and civil lawsuits including by the DA because of their behavior, undercover work is not public works which has a set of guidelines. There are federal officers in every state but they have limitations these federal officers operated outside of the law which is why they were trying to trick people into giving up their constitutional rights.

You know it's funny the right wing rants about tyrannical behavior but when it happens you guys cheer, it's obvious that it's only if the "tyrant" is a democrat. It should not be a partisan thing, these officers were not trained for the situation. It is also a fact that they were outside their limitations since they are only allowed to arrest people if they have proof that they damaged federal property and they were picking up people at random.

Feel free to keep defending this, it is amusing watching people like you give up any semblance of ethics and morals for a man who spent most of life as a democrat.

[RadasNoir]

Okay, so this is probably going to get lost in all of the vitriol being tossed backed and forth, but I have a question for both @Arch-Angel and @TexasRules:

As a voter, I am currently most concerned about the ongoing pandemic. I have other concerns as well, about the environment, better health care, funding for NASA, police reform, and a whole host of other, mostly liberal concerns. However, the pandemic and the rising death toll in America is currently my biggest concern, to the point of out-weighing pretty much everything else.

Given your own feelings in regards to both Trump and Biden (and his recent VP pick), who do you think I should vote for come November?

[starlord]

Kamala Harris was picked to shore up the Clinton wing of the party, aka still not progressive. They will lose votes for not being more progressive. This is a struggle within the democratic party. It's going to get even bigger if they lose. Kamala Harris is a bad pick, that is why she dropped like a rock when Tulsi brought up 1, just 1 fact about her days as an AG. Wait until they show the light on everything she did. She is fake, that is why people dumped her for President. She is going to get lit up by the 5000 non violent offenders she did not release at the urging of the supreme court.

what progressive policies are on trump's platform?

[Draco-Onis]

Well, Trump did consider himself a Democrat for his entire life and only switched sides in 2016 when it became clear they wouldn't give him a platform to run for president.
The Democratic Party and Trump also have a long history of intertwined interests and mutual support.

Of course, in the world of establishment politics everything is about opportunism and everything changes at the drop of a dime if you can no longer provide a benefit for someone's cause.

The democratic party has no history of interests and mutual support with Trump any more than any rich guy that goes to fund raisers and takes pictures. Trump has spend his entire life trying to be with the it crowd whether politics or entertainment. He saw that the right wing were primed for a racist leader when he became a birther and ran with it. I posted that as a joke you clearly have no idea what you are talking about since again you think Tim Pool is a prominent socialist liberal, I am still laughing at that by the way thanks.

[Edge-]

Kamala Harris was picked to shore up the Clinton wing of the party, aka still not progressive.

Was moderate Biden not enough to shore that wing up? I mean, moderate Biden is literally who the Clinton wing picked to be the nominee, my dude.

Kamala Harris is a bad pick, that is why she dropped like a rock when Tulsi brought up 1, just 1 fact about her days as an AG.

Man, do you actually believe that Tulsi "I don't exist in polling" Gabbard had any meaningful impact on Harris's third tier campaign?

She is fake, that is why people dumped her for President.

Yeah, that's why Biden was an anchor on the Obama campaign after his own 2008 primary campaign floundered hard. I mean, there's just no way a nominee can win an election with a VP pick who was a former primary opponent.

[wunksta]

Soooo when state's refuse Trump's help, it is still his fault.

People were telling Trump about the possibility of a pandemic for months before it happened, he ignored it in favor of saving money. When they told him about the outbreak in China, he ignored it in favor of promoting his trade deal. When they told him it was already in the US, he downplayed it and said it would go away. How do you not blame him for that?

[Draco-Onis]

Why the hell would you need to sure up the Clinton wing of the party when you have one of the most conservative democrats at the top of the ticket? Joe Biden entire Career was him being a conservative Democrat. Which is the real reason the Kamala pick was so bad and like Tim Kaine pick. It didn't sure up shit.

According to conservative media Kamala Harris is the new AOC, that's news to everyone including Kamala, AOC and anyone with a brain.

[Thee ANCOM]

Why the hell would you need to sure up the Clinton wing of the party when you have one of the most conservative democrats at the top of the ticket? Joe Biden entire Career was him being a conservative Democrat. Which is the real reason the Kamala pick was so bad and like Tim Kaine pick. It didn't sure up shit.

it won that major swing state California.