Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Edge-]

Because there isn't an acceptable context to keep kids in cages like animals?

No, because you're continuing to intentionally ignore all context.

Jill shot a man.

Jon shot a man.

Jill shot a man who was trying to kill her in an act of self defense and Jon shot a man because he wanted to kill someone for funsies. Based on your posting, they're both terrible awful no good people and there's no difference between them.

[Thee ANCOM]

You are voting for Joe Biden and calling other people Conservative? That is some Cringe mate.

I'm voting for Biden because I'm not some accelerationist weirdo.

[Theodarzna]

I'm voting for Biden because I'm not some accelerationist weirdo.

You are voting for kids in cages, prison industrial complex lady, who took actual money to start her career from Trump. You are voting for nothing.

[Thee ANCOM]

You are voting for kids in cages, prison industrial complex lady, who took actual money to start her career from Trump. You are voting for nothing.

as opposed to all the awful things the Trump administration is doing? which includes running the economy into the ground and allowing for what could end up being millions of Americans dead from COVID-19? are you being serious right now?

[Edge-]

as opposed to all the awful things the Trump administration is doing? which includes running the economy into the ground and allowing for what could end up being millions of Americans dead from COVID-19? are you being serious right now?

The stakes in the election are low for people who have very little at stake, personally, so the outcome isn't terribly important.

[Draco-Onis]

are voting for nothing.

And your alternative is Donald white power Trump and Mike torture the gays Pence.

[Adam Jensen]

You are voting for kids in cages, prison industrial complex lady, who took actual money to start her career from Trump. You are voting for nothing.

I'll take that over a fucking traitor who let 160,000 Americans die and can't figure out what year the 1918 Flu pandemic occurred in.

[Benggaul]

seriously, I don't get why people feel the need to defend this crap.

Context is important.

The shelters were hastily thrown together because there was a HUGE spike in asylum seekers/immigrants at the border--including many unaccompanied children--and the standard facilities couldn't handle it. The Obama administration did not separate children from their families. On the contrary, they got the children reunited with their parents (or, when that wasn't an option, proper caregivers) as fast as possible for the most part. That's not happening under Trump. Children are being separated from their families at the border (a Trump policy, not an Obama one) and transported from facility to facility or, as we've read recently, held secretly in hotels under guard using private security...which isn't shady at all.

This is wildly off-topic but I'm pretty fed up with the whole "zomg OBAMA did it too!" bullshit I keep being spread by the same bad actors. Obama's admin might have built the facilities, but Trump's admin has been using them for a far more nefarious purpose.

[Theodarzna]

as opposed to all the awful things the Trump administration is doing? which includes running the economy into the ground and allowing for what could end up being millions of Americans dead from COVID-19? are you being serious right now?

You are voting for that but with decorum, who the hell claims to be some uber leftist and votes for the "Nothing will fundamentally change" and "Larry Summers and Jamie Diamond will run the economy" guy?

Like, credit where it is due, I can respect say this guy or gal:

As a Bernie Bro *sic, who will vote for Biden (tho I believe him to be a senile rapist neolib) I repeat what I have said before.

There are degrees of terrible. I will throw up in my mouth and feel disgusted with myself for years to come but I will vote for Biden to save America from dying in a pandemic/economic collapse/fascist power grab. Only as recently as April I wouldn't have voted for Biden.

Mihalik isn't trying to gaslight or paint some rosy picture, and while I think he or she is being to damn willing to believe in "Degree of terrible" which sounds too much like "Look, Liberals are just moderate Socialists" which is not true in the slightest, I can at least respect that he or she acknowledges the utter vile disgust in their choice and doesn't try and pretend this is some noble choice or even a good thing and certainly isn't trying to make others play along with such a charade.

Nobody is trying to square a circle with that, and I can at least commend someone for not trying to play that game.

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Wrong. Nazi and fascist are two different things. And they weren’t her first donors, just people who donated to her before Trump decided fascism was better than democracy.

pfffftttt The cop out for the Queen of All Cops is the most amazing thing about this election cycle. Its only form of entertainment.

[Thee ANCOM]

You are voting for that but with decorum, who the hell claims to be some uber leftist and votes for the "Nothing will fundamentally change" and "Larry Summers and Jamie Diamond will run the economy" guy?

Democrats are velvet glove authoritarians which is what characterizes centrist liberals. Republicans are outright fascists, they elected a fascist, they overwhelmingly support a fascist, and support fascist policies. this isn't hard for someone with even a modicum of guiding principals or consistency.

[Ivanstone]

Democracy has been dead in the US long before Trump. Your problem is your inability to remember anything prior to Trump, or the latest MSNBC news cycle.

Also:

Trump, Ivanka donated to Kamala Harris campaign in California


(source)

Your girl, your Queen Kamala got her political career started with LITERAL NAZI money. Give me a break with this moral preening.

Her political career started in 2003 with her election to the San Fran DA. She was an ADA starting in 1990.

Furthermore her fundraising was around 7.5m for the 2010 race. Trump was a tiny component of that.

You do understand that Trump contributing to her political campaign is a strike against him right? Its honestly the best reason for her choice as VP.

[starlord]

Democrats are velvet glove authoritarians which is what characterizes centrist liberals. Republicans are outright fascists, they elected a fascist, they overwhelmingly support a fascist, and support fascist policies. this isn't hard for someone with even a modicum of guiding principals or consistency.

barking up the wrong tree there.

[Blur4stuff]

It's truly disturbing how many republicans want the US to be an authoritarian dictatorship with fake christians sprinkled on top.

[Endus]

Democrats are velvet glove authoritarians which is what characterizes centrist liberals. Republicans are outright fascists, they elected a fascist, they overwhelmingly support a fascist, and support fascist policies. this isn't hard for someone with even a modicum of guiding principals or consistency.

Plus, it bears repeating that democracy isn't about getting exactly what you want or throwing a hissy fit and sulking in the corner about it. Democracy is a bus. The bus goes where most of its passengers need it to. The bus may not drop you off right at your door, but if you've got two buses to pick from, you pick the one that drops you off the closest to home.

Refusing to pick a bus just leaves you where you are, no closer to home at all.

It's supremely ironic that the ones who rant about "puritanism" and start threads about such among the Left are in here, demanding ideological puritanism over practical democracy.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Another thing these spoiled brats dont get.

Voting isnt a marriage.
Voting is more like public transportation. You get on a train/bus with a bunch of strangers and head in the same direction.


Oh wait, spoiled people might not understand public transportation. Other than being another thing a Paypal Billionaire is trying to destroy.

[Omega10]

This latest attack on Biden, and mostly Harris, seems to be pretty good news for Biden/Harris.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bo...more_headlines

Title: Billionaire investor predicts a Trump victory, says Kamala Harris is ‘a little too charismatic’

Excerpts:

Harris, he said, won’t likely change that because she’s “a little too charismatic” and her personality “might be a little bit dominant.”

Basically, he replaced racist themes with sexist ones. He is laying the groundwork for republican attacks on Harris due to her being a strong competent female, which I believe will massively backfire.

[draynay]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with refusing to vote if you have your own reasons not to.

Great, but since this thread is about the election, I don't really care to acknowledge anyone not participating. There are plenty of other threads to not participate in.

[Nurasu]

The only childish thing is trying to shame people into voting one way or another. Maybe if you guys left this centrist democratic bubble once in a while you would understand that.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with refusing to vote if you have your own reasons not to.

No party is entitled to any person's vote. They have to earn the votes and be worthy of those votes.

If they're not: tough luck, next time they can try better to appeal to those votes they didn't get.

It's as simple as that.

You don't have to worry; the rest of us will vote for Biden so you can have the privilege of maintaining ideological purity while also not dying on the street from COVID and starvation in 4 years.

[Rasulis]

This latest attack on Biden, and mostly Harris, seems to be pretty good news for Biden/Harris.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bo...more_headlines

Title: Billionaire investor predicts a Trump victory, says Kamala Harris is ‘a little too charismatic’

Excerpts:



Basically, he replaced racist themes with sexist ones. He is laying the groundwork for republican attacks on Harris due to her being a strong competent female, which I believe will massively backfire.

I would not put too much value in his predictions.

In 2019 - housing market will crash. LOL! Dollar would weaken. Another LOL! Don't invest in Europe market. EZU up almost 30%.

[Nurasu]

What an absolute terrible analogy. Rosa Parks was on a bus once. I guess she should have just rode along with everyone else.

Are these guys going to organize for change, or are they just going stay home and let whatever happens to them happen to them? I have a feeling it'll be the latter. The ship has already sailed this election for Bernie to run as an Independent and likely get a third party on some ballots after Trump's next 4 years.

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I would not put too much value in his predictions.

In 2019 - housing market will crash. LOL! Dollar would weaken. Another LOL! Don't invest in Europe market. EZU up almost 30%.

They glossed over the fact that he 'predicted' Biden would be unelectable in the article as well.