Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[AntiFascistVoter]

How much of Sander’s support is that fickle?

It's just projection from reactionaries that never had any intent of voting against Trump.

Actual voters, already made up their minds.

Joementum .. is it real? Is it durable?

After the Sanders, Warren, and Obama endorsements, Biden's favorability takes a large jump.



Former Vice President Joe Biden's favorability enjoyed a nearly double-digit gain after Democratic Party figures, including former President Barack Obama and Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, offered their endorsements last week.

New polling data released Tuesday shows Biden with the support of 68 percent of primary voters under age 45 and holding a 5-point lead over President Donald Trump, 47 to 42 percent, among registered voters of all political affiliations. The April 13 endorsement from Sanders, who dropped out of the Democratic race just days before, has helped Biden gain the support of many younger voters who previously supported the progressive Vermont senator.

Several polls released Sunday also show Biden leading Trump by at least 5 points in hypothetical head-to-head matchups. A Morning Consult/Politico poll conducted between April 18 and 19 showed that three-quarters of Democratic voters were at least aware that Sanders, Obama and Warren had put their support behind Biden.

Thanks Obama!

[Felya]

It's just projection from reactionaries that never had any intent of voting against Trump.

That’s the thing, he was insulting Bernie supporters, while complaining you insulted Bernie supporters. It’s... strange... I still want him to explain...

[Zaktar]

Would you mind restating your argument or point in this thread? It seems to have gotten lost in the current discussion. I’d like to take the ol’ crack at it...

Their point is to vent frustration while trying to bait otherwise good posters into saying things to get them banned. I notice they never responded to you, since you asked a simple question in good faith.

[Felya]

Their point is to vent frustration while trying to bait otherwise good posters into saying things to get them banned. I notice they never responded to you, since you asked a simple question in good faith.

I think there is a simple disagreement. One person thinks Bernie supporters are fickle, while the other thinks it’s not really Bernie supporters. Be it fake or fickle, they both agree there is something not quite right about Bernie supporter response.

[Zaktar]

I think there is a simple disagreement. One person thinks Bernie supporters are fickle, while the other thinks it’s not really Bernie supporters. Be it fake or fickle, they both agree there is something not quite right about Bernie supporter response.

We're talking about the person who keeps making new accounts, right? They leap from point to point and engage with anyone they can. Don't think they are making a good faith argument.

As to what you're talking about, some people are definitely fickle, and some people in this forum were clearly always going to vote Trump whatever they claim now. To me, the folks blasting Sanders supporters while trying to troll the disingenuous are at best just giving fickle people an excuse to be mad and fickle against them. And spending their own credibility with reasonable, non-fickle people who don't like trolls.

[Felya]

If that is the case then why are you making all these gloating posts? Since everyone has already made up their minds.

Oh... for people like me... “we” enjoy them...

[Felya]

We're talking about the person who keeps making new accounts, right? They leap from point to point and engage with anyone they can. Don't think they are making a good faith argument.

I know, but I’ve been watching a lot of their YouTube and debunking of it. The appeal is 100% a facade of being rational. Despite them screaming and saying absolute gibberish half the time, the insistence and even barbaric attempts at appearing ration, seem to be their allure. I’m trying to present what I think is rational, in hopes if not convincing, it will at least seem like a glitch in the red pill matrix.

As to what you're talking about, some people are definitely fickle, and some people in this forum were clearly always going to vote Trump whatever they claim now. To me, the folks blasting Sanders supporters while trying to troll the disingenuous are at best just giving fickle people an excuse to be mad and fickle against them. And spending their own credibility with reasonable, non-fickle people who don't like trolls.

Oh totally, it’s a mix... trolls, disingenuous, misguided... All of it... but, as long as the reply is rational, it will be the same.

Yes that is what I thought. You do understand that you are probably helping Trump to win though, right?

I’m a Trump supporter then... that’s how much I care...

Edit: That’s an interesting point you make. What if I pretended to be a Trump supporter, just to make all my criticisms of Trump, seem more rational. Seem more like it comes from criticism of his support, thus genuine. While if a Trump supporter agrees Trump is shit, that means centrist can do the same. Ha... well... I hope no orange faced baboon figures out my dastardly plan...

[Felya]

I've genuinely no idea what you think about anything, it doesn't seem to be very rational at all. How exactly do you intend to vote and what voting patterns are you trying to encourage, if any?

I wouldn’t expect you to... *wink* *wink*

Pragmatism... want to know how pragmatic I am? I know that saying “pragmatism” is 10 characters... so, if someone asks such a basic question... I can say... pragmatism... without the lazy “/10char”... Proof presented, ahead of request! /bow

This is a very common strategy on the internet. It doesn't work generally because of the high degree of self-contradiction involved. Actual Trump supporters believe everything Trump says, however stupid, without exception.

Would you say that they would even believe contradictory statements made by Trump, in the everything they believe? Because... that shows experience, in what you claim is too difficult. Although, being see through, doesn’t seem to stop them...

[Poopymonster]

Ok. Let's get down to brass tacks.

I think that Biden is senile, dishonest, corrupt, and just plain evil. If he gets elected he will govern a lot more conservative than he is campaigning, just like Obama did. And if he gets elected, after he finishes doing everything possible to dismantle every semblance of liberalism in the US, his failures will be blamed solely on liberals leading to a republican renaissance following him. Just like the republican renaissance that started even while Obama was still President.

To me, it would be a disaster if Biden were elected President. Even worse than Trump. A vote for a third party might be a vote for Trump, but a vote for Biden is a vote for BIDEN

And oh yeah, Biden IS actively hostile to progressives. He DID promise to veto M4A should it pass congress. How much more actively hostile do you want?

Make sure he has a fucking solid progressive VP. Biden wins, he idles a bit, blanks, whatever, boom, 25th amendment. You now have a real progressive in the oval office.

[Felya]

Yeah that's the thing. There's a hundred different things like that Biden could do to get the progressive vote. He could easily go back on it later. He's not doing any of those things. He really seems to want to cut his support in half.

Like what?

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You have an uncanny ability to make people look foolish so I'm not buying that at all, lol.

But, notice that in like 10 years, I only pulled that shit on you twice. Take that as a compliment, it’s intended as such...

By the way... have you heard Corpse Flower? The whole album is good:

[Gestopft]

Just goes to show that progressivism became a meaningless word co-opted by centrists.

Pishycaca.

You guys are stealing progressivism from "the centrists".

You're both sort of right, in a weird way, since "Progressive" has different meanings/connotations depending on who is using it.

[downnola]

Like what?

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But, notice that in like 10 years, I only pulled that shit on you twice. Take that as a compliment, it’s intended as such...

By the way... have you heard Corpse Flower? The whole album is good:

I haven't until just now but I'm enjoying it so far! I was supposed to see Faith No More this summer at Blossom but someone had to risk it all and eat bats so it might not happen .

[Felya]

You're both sort of right, in a weird way, since "Progressive" has different meanings/connotations depending on who is using it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

To meet the ideological requirements of English Socialism (Ingsoc) in Oceania, the ruling Party created Newspeak, a controlled language of simplified grammar and restricted vocabulary, meant to limit the freedom of thought—personal identity, self-expression, free will—that threatens the ideology of the régime of Big Brother and the Party, who have criminalised such concepts into thoughtcrime, as contradictions of Ingsoc orthodoxy.

Language is very powerful...

I haven't until just now but I'm enjoying it so far! I was supposed to see Faith No More this summer at Blossom but someone had to risk it all and eat bats so it might not happen .

Give Teri Gender Bender a shot. All of her projects are pretty solid:

[PACOX]

Looking at the way Trump has people protesting for their right to spread the plague has me less optimistic about November.

[Thepersona]

Looking at the way Trump has people protesting for their right to spread the plague has me less optimistic about November.

Maybe Trump is our deacon Mamon? corrupted by nurgle?

[Gestopft]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
Language is very powerful...

Well, it's not even that. I think that within Democratic circles, "progressive" sort of has a generationally different connotation. People who were in Democratic circles in the late 80's and 90's often called themselves "progressive" because Conservatives had practically turned "Liberal" into a dirty word. But this also happened while the party was moving to the center-right on economic issues, so for them "progressive" mostly refers to the socially liberal and social equality based aspects of the party. Meanwhile, the younger generation, more in line with the Sanders/Warren wing also calls themselves "Progressives" as a movement- a movement which is both socially liberal and economically left, but often puts more emphasis on the economic aspects of the platform.

[Felya]

Looking at the way Trump has people protesting for their right to spread the plague has me less optimistic about November.

It hits the elderly the hardest, which happens to be GOP strong hold. This is killing GOP’s largest voting block and they don’t seem to give a shit.

[lockybalboa]

Well either way we're fucked. A pompous buffoon vs a senile old man who can't even string a proper sentence and differentiate between his wife and sister.

[PACOX]

It hits the elderly the hardest, which happens to be GOP strong hold. This is killing GOP’s largest voting block and they don’t seem to give a shit.

Yeah but Boomers seem to just pop out of the woodwork

[AntiFascistVoter]

It hits the elderly the hardest, which happens to be GOP strong hold. This is killing GOP’s largest voting block and they don’t seem to give a shit.

Polling shows that seniors are abandoning Trump over this.

Trump’s crisis mismanagement alienating seniors
Older voters have been a pivotal part of the president’s base. But they’re beginning to turn on him over the coronavirus.

Clinton LOST seniors by 7 points to Trump, 52-45%
Biden LEADING Trump with seniors by 9, 52-43%.

Seniors:

• Most concerned about health
• Dont care about Twitter
• Vote in larger numbers

That might be the ballgame.