Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Xarkan]

I'm just wondering if the UN will be sending in election observers to ensure that the Trump administration and Republican Party don't start dumping/stuffing ballot boxes.

OSCE might

They were apparantly looking for people

https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/457582

[they are invited by the US btw.. that seems to be standard]

[Omega10]

The US has never cared about the UN unless it was convenient.

That is entirely true. And it would be VERY inconvenient for Trump to have them here. Oh I just had a fleeting fantasy of something good happening in the upcoming election But yeah you are 100% correct.

[PACOX]

That is entirely true. And it would be VERY inconvenient for Trump to have them here. Oh I just had a fleeting fantasy of something good happening in the upcoming election But yeah you are 100% correct.

Thats kind of my argument and frustration with the House just watching this unfold...and the writing on the wall has been there for a while. Even if they can't directly block Trump they can make it hard. They can be loud. They can make it clear to Trump they see the game and inform the American people about what's going on even if they can't stop it. At least tell people what's going on and how to navigate around it. Worst-case scenario some people Trump as a cheater and make it a goal to vote him out.

[Omega10]

Thats kind of my argument and frustration with the House just watching this unfold...and the writing on the wall has been there for a while. Even if they can't directly block Trump they can make it hard. They can be loud. They can make it clear to Trump they see the game and inform the American people about what's going on even if they can't stop it. At least tell people what's going on and how to navigate around it. Worst-case scenario some people Trump as a cheater and make it a goal to vote him out.

I agree. However, I will give Pelosi credit for a few things.

Number one, she has dealt with the crap that Trump supporters throw at her fairly well. She dishes it out, and done has some nice counter-troll actions that were quite good.

She has gotten the House to pass a lot of bills that reflect fairly progressive ideas. They get ignored by the Senate, and also mostly get ignored by the media.

I also would like the House to ... be louder. I am just not sure what more they can actually do. She really did impeach the President.

Right now, Pelosi SHOULD be President due to Trump being in jail and Pence being sent back to his home state. She would be a MUCH better President than Trump. We would have the virus mostly controlled and the beginnings of an economic recovery. A good chunk of the 6 trillion that Trump sent to his cronies would have been divided up among middle class, working class, and poor Americans. We would not be a declining power, but instead would be stable.

But in reality world, the people that are benefiting from Trump's destruction of America have enough power to muzzle people like Pelosi that could make things better for us.

[Xarkan]

I wonder if Trump does really fuck up with the elections in a glaring manner, will nations across the world dare to say something about it like they are doing with Belarus?

China would.. it would serve their purposes

[Xarkan]

I don't think China ever does that kind of intervention. It's more the EU that likes to issue sternly worded letters that mean nothing.

They would say something, use it as an example of how the west talk the talk but wont walk the walk or however that expression goes

[Omega10]

I wonder if Trump does really fuck up with the elections in a glaring manner, will nations across the world dare to say something about it like they are doing with Belarus?

They may or may not SAY it, but they will definitely THINK it. And since Trump has telegraphed that he absolutely intends to do all he can do to fuck it up, people will automatically assume the worst.

[Draco-Onis]

Those are mostly said for internal consumption and/or as comments from officials; rarely as official positions of the state.

That has changed though especially with the US actions on Hong Kong, they have made it official positions of the state.

[Edge-]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KCN25C0VO?il=0

Relevant given the situation, but Pelosi is bringing the House back early to address the USPS funding shortage.

The Senate is still on break unless McConnel decides to do something other than ram through judicial confirmations, for once.

[Zan15]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KCN25C0VO?il=0

Relevant given the situation, but Pelosi is bringing the House back early to address the USPS funding shortage.

The Senate is still on break unless McConnel decides to do something other than ram through judicial confirmations, for once.

but but both sideessssssssssssss......

He'll shield the trumphead from having to veto it.

[Eviscero]

OSCE might

They were apparantly looking for people

https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/usa/457582

[they are invited by the US btw.. that seems to be standard]

Wow, this is very interesting. Too bad a significant number of members states are former democracies turned corrupt autocracies.

How many Russians you think are going to volunteer to help monitor the elections?

[Hinastorm]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KCN25C0VO?il=0

Relevant given the situation, but Pelosi is bringing the House back early to address the USPS funding shortage.

The Senate is still on break unless McConnel decides to do something other than ram through judicial confirmations, for once.

The house is basically meaningless atm. Sadly.

[Kaleredar]

I'm just wondering if the UN will be sending in election observers to ensure that the Trump administration and Republican Party don't start dumping/stuffing ballot boxes.

Unfortunately that would only serve to fuel the “the UN is evil and out to destroy America” right-wing clap trap narrative

[Xarkan]

Wow, this is very interesting. Too bad a significant number of members states are former democracies turned corrupt autocracies.

How many Russians you think are going to volunteer to help monitor the elections?

*shrugs*

UN observers would have been no different in nature

Russian observers would be less of an issue regasrdless than the risk that places like Ohio denying observers access [this happened in 2004, the first time OSCE were invited i believe.. though the one i heard talking about it in the news were not some autocratic russian but rather a dane.. unfortunately the link becomes a danish article in danish then]

[arandomuser]

belarus will happen to americca if trump wins a 2nd term.
democracy dosent die with tanks on the streets like in the movies, although thats literally what happened in russia with yeltsin


but belarus is a perfect example guy comes into power and puts people in place of institutions personally loyal to him and systemically destroy the system while keeping the facade of a free and fair election. If trump wins a 2nd term you will get state media in the form of voice of america. state regulation of social media to make them bend to his political will, they will repeal 14th amendment so they can deport millions of people that are mostly democrat, pass a sedition act making it illegal to do "unpatriotic" behavior, and give you a felony and thus unable to vote forever, they could probably do even more tricks like a voter ID law with biased questions similar to how the south disenfranchised blacks, except their goal will be to disenfranchise liberals and democrats, there is millions of ways we could become a de facto dictatorship through the legal systems

[Omega10]

belarus will happen to americca if trump wins a 2nd term.
democracy dosent die with tanks on the streets like in the movies, although thats literally what happened in russia with yeltsin


but belarus is a perfect example guy comes into power and puts people in place of institutions personally loyal to him and systemically destroy the system while keeping the facade of a free and fair election. If trump wins a 2nd term you will get state media in the form of voice of america. state regulation of social media to make them bend to his political will, they will repeal 14th amendment so they can deport millions of people that are mostly democrat, pass a sedition act making it illegal to do "unpatriotic" behavior, and give you a felony and thus unable to vote forever, they could probably do even more tricks like a voter ID law with biased questions similar to how the south disenfranchised blacks, except their goal will be to disenfranchise liberals and democrats, there is millions of ways we could become a de facto dictatorship through the legal systems

I agree with your main thesis, and your supporting text is spot on. Oh the details might end up being a BIT different if Trump is in office in 2021, but probably not by much.

[jdbond]

I remember when 3 million illegals voted for Hillary, every last one of them in california, a state where their votes are basically useless.
So yeah, expect Trump to steal this election. He doesn't even need SC.

[Ghostpanther]

Interesting recent poll by CNN......https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/polit...020/index.html

Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden's lead over President Donald Trump now stands at five points, but Trump has an edge in the critical battleground states that could decide the electoral college, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.
In the new poll, 51% of registered voters nationwide back Biden, while 46% say they prefer Trump, while in the battlegrounds, 52% favor Trump and 45% Biden.

I think the polls may get tighter as more people get to know more about Kamala Harris. I know myself, after finding out more about her, the more I am glad Biden picked her.

[Felya]

I remember when 3 million illegals voted for Hillary, every last one of them in california, a state where their votes are basically useless.

It wasn’t that useless, because it’s a direct counter to a lot of Trump’s populist rhetoric. Even nearly 4 years later, Trump still lays claim to a silent majority. It also negates a lot of the conspiracy, because Trump didn’t win due to plurality or will of the people, but due to establishment delegates selecting him.

[I Push Buttons]

Interesting poll......https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/polit...020/index.html

The poll suggests Biden outpaces Trump among voters over age 45 by a 6-point margin, while the two are near even among those under age 45.

That is pretty interesting.