Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Blur4stuff]

I guess some seniors don't like being told by the GOP they should just die.

[Zaktar]

I guess some seniors don't like being told by the GOP they should just die.

Very selfish of them, they should embody the selflessness which is the hallmark of the Republican party under Trump. Learn from his example.

[Draco-Onis]

Isn't this a good thing? I mean... if most of his voters get struck down by Corona because they don't have a clue, I'm assuming they won't be very happy about it in the end, even if it was their own stupidity. They'll blame Trump before they'll blame themselves.

The stupid people will still be around the general population spreading the disease, COVID doesn't care who you vote for or how stupid you are everyone is at risk.

[Felya]

That's what I thought would happen initially. The problem is that the virus is also hitting cities, ethnic minority voters and the urban poor hard and that may more than counter any damage to Trump's base. This may be why he has done so little to stop the virus.

I keep linking this, because it really does seem like Trump’s stupidity has no bounds, to the point it looks malicious:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

I think you are not seeing this as a prominent conspiracy, even on extreme left, because Trump’s fuck ups, were started months before demographic numbers came in. He would have to have foresight, that he simply doesn’t have. The reason minority groups get effected more, is due to socio economic issues, that Trump doesn’t believe exist. It includes a large and close family, which much like in Italy, spreads the disease faster. Couple that with who was on the front lines serving the public in low level jobs. With all that, the numbers are actually lower than I would assume.

The Democrats haven't exactly covered themselves in glory here either though. They had, still have, a golden opportunity to create a national health care service to deal with a problem like this. They manifestly have failed to do so and let Trump off the hook.

No, the last opportunity Democrats had to pass healthcare, was Obama’s first two years, before Republicans won back the senate to make any healthcare plan dead on arrival. Democrats did exactly that, by making ACA the first major policy proposal by Obama. Currently, the only reason we even have the torn version of ACA, is because a Republican, the late John McCain, had the balls to stand up to Trump.

That’s the thing... Democrats did not have the power to stop Trump attacking ACA, shrinking funding for the WHO nor ending US’s pandemic response team. Those are all whims of Trump, that directly attacked US healthcare and response. That’s how we were paying for Trump’s 15% tax cut, that was nothing more than a corporate bail out, during a bull market. If Trump is in charge over the corona recovery, there should be little doubt who pays for it.

On the plus side literally all Biden has to do is change his policy to universal healthcare, hell he can call it "Bidencare", and he wins by a landslide. He can then go back to sucking corporate dick from now till Doomsday and everyone will still love him.

I think his current stance of needing a budget to pay for it, so he could sign it, is reasonable enough to appeal to most. Even those who might not support it, may be swayed by the idea of it being implemented, only without increased cost on the public. The smart way to look at such issues from the opponents perspective. If Trump is running ads that medicare for all will bankrupt America, Biden’s tact is more than appropriate. He can’t run against other opposing reasons, because painting Trump as xenophobic is pointless by now and he can’t say much, but that Trump is lying... which again, is old news.

Oh yeah, Trump has been president for almost 4 years by the time of election. If you think Fake News is annoying, get ready for its older brother... Old News... because that’s what Trump’s past stupidity is about to become.

[Ghostpanther]

Looking at the way Trump has people protesting for their right to spread the plague has me less optimistic about November.

You should feel more optimistic. Trump has been slipping in the polls lately. And the polls where good for Biden in the primaries overall. I am talking about taking them all together. You can not look at only one poll to make a decent judgement. And general polls when looked at nationally, are not that important. But each individual state polls are. Biden stands a good chance of beating Trump this fall.

[Felya]

Isn't this a good thing? I mean... if most of his voters get struck down by Corona because they don't have a clue, I'm assuming they won't be very happy about it in the end, even if it was their own stupidity. They'll blame Trump before they'll blame themselves.

No... dead people bad... politics doesn’t matter.... dead people bad...

[JohnBrown1917]

Seniors:

• Most concerned about health
• Dont care about Twitter
• Vote in larger numbers

That might be the ballgame.

They are not concened about healh that much, or they'd actually vote for the dems in all elections.
But no surprise, the right-wing don't actually know what seniors vote for.

[Felya]

You should feel more optimistic. Trump has been slipping in the polls lately. And the polls where good for Biden in the primaries overall. I am talking about taking them all together. You can not look at only one poll to make a decent judgement. And general polls when looked at nationally, are not that important. But each individual state polls are. Biden stands a good chance of beating Trump this fall.

As his slipping bump sowed... I believe Trump’s chances are in negative proportion to number showing symptoms. The more people get sick, the more of them and their family are likely to blame Trump. Since they will see what is going on in hospitals, with Trump praising nurses taking care of them, with videos devoted to glory of Trump.

Also, recognize that Florida and Georgia set Trump up. What might still look like supporting Trump, by keeping businesses open. Might look like blame by November, since both are sky rocketing in cases. If both lift the stay at home order too soon, on top of not having it too long, there will be a lot of blame to push around... and by supporting Trump now, they set him up for blame, if the tide turns against Trump even further.

[Felya]

Free choice and all that.

Free will doesn’t make... dead people good... dead people bad... very basic... dead people bad...

[Felya]

Whew, you'd be a hoot during the euthanasia and abortion discussions. I didn't realize you were a conservative.

Oh dude... I’d be hilarious...

[DKjaigen]

You should feel more optimistic. Trump has been slipping in the polls lately. And the polls where good for Biden in the primaries overall. I am talking about taking them all together. You can not look at only one poll to make a decent judgement. And general polls when looked at nationally, are not that important. But each individual state polls are. Biden stands a good chance of beating Trump this fall.

Do you remember when elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris where hot shit and then suddenly weren't ? A lot can change in a single debate and frankly i don't see Joe standing up to Trump. And do not forget his approval right now is higher then what he started with.

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As his slipping bump sowed... I believe Trump’s chances are in negative proportion to number showing symptoms. The more people get sick, the more of them and their family are likely to blame Trump. Since they will see what is going on in hospitals, with Trump praising nurses taking care of them, with videos devoted to glory of Trump.

Also, recognize that Florida and Georgia set Trump up. What might still look like supporting Trump, by keeping businesses open. Might look like blame by November, since both are sky rocketing in cases. If both lift the stay at home order too soon, on top of not having it too long, there will be a lot of blame to push around... and by supporting Trump now, they set him up for blame, if the tide turns against Trump even further.

They also can blame the democrats for this or like any rational being would do blame no one at all.

[alexw]

I guess some seniors don't like being told by the GOP they should just die.

“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.” A.k.a he's supposed to be hurting other people and not me - The trump voter mindset. So its not surprising they are turning on him, he's hurting the 'wrong'' people. I.e. them.

[Lenonis]

You can not look at only one poll to make a decent judgement.

Says the guy who posts the one poll putting Trump in a good light and then gloats. You know what you are doing is against the forum rules right?

[Omega10]

You should feel more optimistic. Trump has been slipping in the polls lately. And the polls where good for Biden in the primaries overall. I am talking about taking them all together. You can not look at only one poll to make a decent judgement. And general polls when looked at nationally, are not that important. But each individual state polls are. Biden stands a good chance of beating Trump this fall.

There are about 2 billion dollars or more of attack ads that Trump and Biden will each endure. Lucky us, we get to be exposed to non-stop advertisements explaining that Presidential candidates are evil pieces of garbage that hate America. And that's the NICE ads. Polls can change quite a bit in a short period of time in such an environment, and I wouldn't count either candidate out until about a day after the other has over 270 projected electoral votes. Which hopefully will happen before the end of the year.

[Felya]

They also can blame the democrats for this or like any rational being would do blame no one at all.

Well, I’m sorry... Trump demanding Obama be fired over Ebola handling, boosting GOP in 2014, shows that blame falls on the president. When the death numbers of Ebola start getting compared to those of Corona, with Trump’s attacks on Obama at the time being played in campaign ads, the choice on who and if to blame... will come from Trump’s mouth.

Sorry, but when Trump shuts down part of government that watches over pandemics, while calling democrats sounding the alarm as a hoax against Trump... it will be hard to be your version if “rational”.

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There are about 2 billion dollars or more of attack ads that Trump and Biden will each endure. Lucky us, we get to be exposed to non-stop advertisements explaining that Presidential candidates are evil pieces of garbage that hate America. And that's the NICE ads. Polls can change quite a bit in a short period of time in such an environment, and I wouldn't count either candidate out until about a day after the other has over 270 projected electoral votes. Which hopefully will happen before the end of the year.

That’s the thing... attack ads have not gone full swing, as they would have. By November, Trump demanding Obama be fired for 2 Ebola deaths in US, will be playing over corona death numbers. I don’t think Trump supporters realize how many attack ads, will be Trump, telling them that anyone reacting like he did, should be in jail. Because he has...

[Omega10]

That’s the thing... attack ads have not gone full swing, as they would have. By November, Trump demanding Obama be fired for 2 Ebola deaths in US, will be playing over corona death numbers. I don’t think Trump supporters realize how many attack ads, will be Trump, telling them that anyone reacting like he did, should be in jail. Because he has...

It SEEMS like this should be 100% correct. Except that somehow, republicans are just better at attack ads then democrats.

Here is one of the reasons, this is from Yahoo.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-chec...170756994.html
Title: Fact check: Did 3.5 million Americans lose health coverage in the last two weeks?

Highlights:

Is the claim accurate?
Claim: 3.5 million Americans lost health insurance in the last 2 weeks, compared to 0 for many other nations

That number of suddenly uninsured people comes from a report by the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute. Occupy Democrats confirmed in a Facebook message its post was based on that study.

But the timeline is off. The report was released on April 2, several weeks before this post claiming the number reflected the “past two weeks.”

The study examined the last two weeks in March, during which joblessness soared to nearly 10 million Americans filing for unemployment benefits. It’s when the problem truly began to take hold.

An updated version of that study from the policy institute found things have gotten worse since then. An April 16 report estimates 9.2 million workers "were at high risk of losing their employer-provided health insurance in the past four weeks."

In both reports, the number is only an estimate, reached by comparing unemployment insurance claims per industry (to represent the number of jobs lost) with the employer-provided health insurance coverage rate in that industry.

So basically, the text says that the number of job losses is only an estimate, but it's more likely to be around 9.2 million jobs not 3.5. But there remains the possibility that in the exact 2 week period that this report covered, that it may not have been quite accurate at that time.

While millions in the 14 listed countries have also lost their jobs, the tweet put the number who lost employer-provided health coverage at zero.

How can that be?

For most countries, it’s an easy answer: Being employed and having health insurance are not tied together nearly as often because the countries have universal health care. Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, New Zealand and Norway all have a universal health care system, according to a 2011 listing from New York’s Department of Health.

That leaves Chile and Hungary.

Statistics from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development show that in 2018, more than three-quarters of Chile’s population was covered by government or social health insurance, and in Hungary, nearly 100% of the population was covered.

In Chile, those who do not have private insurance are automatically enrolled in government-provided health insurance. So, in effect, those countries also have universal coverage.

The How can that be line sort of implies that the claim is ludicrous and cannot possibly be true. Then it goes on to explain that well it really IS true - not just true but VERY true. The author, however, framed it as to put doubt about the accuracy of the comment.

And the conclusion:

Our ruling: Partly False

We rate this claim Partly False. It is true that other countries' jobless did not lose their health insurance. Nations listed each use a universal or government-provided health insurance model, meaning those citizens are not at risk of losing health insurance if they lose their job. A study did indeed estimate that 3.5 million Americans lost health insurance in a two-week span. But it is false to say it happened "in the last 2 weeks." That study referenced the last two weeks in March, not the middle of April, as the post implied.And it’s noteworthy that the 3.5 million number is an estimate of how many “likely” lost jobs, not a certain figure as the post’s wording implies, so it is not possible to rate the claim as true or false on that point.

So Trump and the republicans go and say stuff that is completely false, and gets next to no admonishments. Democrats put up an ad that is completely true - and in fact if anything underestimates that damage done. And Yahoo nitpicks it and claims it is partly false, not to mention the very misleading line "How can that be?".

Past experience shows that when elections come down to shouting matches of negative ads versus negative ads, republicans clean up. Negative ads highly motivate republicans to vote - gotta punish the fucking democrats that are trying to destroy our country, and discourages democrats from voting - what's the point?

I would like your statement to be true, and it seems like it SHOULD be true. But in the past, this is not what has happened.

Here is a headline from a video (also from Yahoo):

Brit Hume: Time to consider possibility that coronavirus lockdown was colossal public policy calamity

The election framing of issues has started big time.

[Noxx79]

Do you remember when elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris where hot shit and then suddenly weren't ? A lot can change in a single debate and frankly i don't see Joe standing up to Trump. And do not forget his approval right now is higher then what he started with.

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They also can blame the democrats for this or like any rational being would do blame no one at all.

So trump is irrational. And you support him like a good sheep.
[Infraction]

[DKjaigen]

Well, I’m sorry... Trump demanding Obama be fired over Ebola handling, boosting GOP in 2014, shows that blame falls on the president. When the death numbers of Ebola start getting compared to those of Corona, with Trump’s attacks on Obama at the time being played in campaign ads, the choice on who and if to blame... will come from Trump’s mouth.

Sorry, but when Trump shuts down part of government that watches over pandemics, while calling democrats sounding the alarm as a hoax against Trump... it will be hard to be your version if “rational”.

Bolded part is fake news and you fell for it. And what makes you think that the 2014 situation is even remotely the same as now?

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So trump is irrational. And you support him like a good sheep.

Oh goodie a leftwinger accusing me of being a sheep. This will completely change the way im going to vote. Better lube your ass for november lad because we are going to go hard and deep.
[Infraction]

[Edge-]

Bolded part is fake news and you fell for it. And what makes you think that the 2014 situation is even remotely the same as now?

https://nypost.com/2020/01/26/schume...lth-emergency/

Schumer calls on feds to declare coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency

January 26, 2020

Insert Trump saying "Wrong" gif here.

[Omega10]

Oh goodie a leftwinger accusing me of being a sheep. This will completely change the way im going to vote. Better lube your ass for november lad because we are going to go hard and deep.

To all people that don't want Trump to be reelected: You have been warned. These definitely sound like fighting words. And that's after what seems to be toned down remarks.