Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Benggaul]

1200 fraud cases, 1100 of them leading to convictions, out of 250,000,000 mail in ballots.

Wow.

A success rate of ~100 out of 250,000,0000 over the course of 20 years.

So much fraud.

Yes. You know what's extra "funny" about that? I believe that means that the percentage of fraudulent votes is way, way less than the percentage of people who die from COVID-19...but which one do the right claim is overblown nonsense and which do they claim is a disaster of epic proportions?

Just did some napkin math: voter fraud over the past 20 years: .0005%
Deaths due to COVID-19 in the US from confirmed "resolved" cases: 6%

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

EDIT: Also, those 100 you mention there aren't really "successful" since they found it. They just weren't prosecuted, which could mean they were found to have been honest mistakes and just discarded without legal action.

[Theodarzna]

Another thing these spoiled brats dont get.

Voting isnt a marriage.
Voting is more like public transportation. You get on a train/bus with a bunch of strangers and head in the same direction.


Oh wait, spoiled people might not understand public transportation. Other than being another thing a Paypal Billionaire is trying to destroy.

Given the bus and train all head the same direction, you are better off just walking on your own two legs.

[Felya]

Given the bus and train all head the same direction, you are better off just walking on your own two legs.

Is this why mail boxes were being removed?

[Belize]

Given the bus and train all head the same direction, you are better off just walking on your own two legs.

How dishonest do you have to be to actually believe this.

[Benggaul]

How dishonest do you have to be to actually believe this.

*theme song plays*

Thaaaaaaat's Theo!

[TACOshake]

How dishonest do you have to be to actually believe this.

I thought it was a an honest reveal.
Soon as Rosa Parks gets on the bus, and points out that bus riding is a collective action. Theo announces they're getting off, and that buses are overrated.


It's how the "Just Kidding" movement has always been about lending plausible deniability to structural bigotry.

[Theodarzna]

How dishonest do you have to be to actually believe this.

Dishonest? Do you believe I don't actually believe this but am saying it for some unknown motive?

I am curious, is everyone not sharing your worldview simply denying that we actually do share it but reject it out of some perfidious bent towards something?

Hell, one need only look at the Obama administrations efforts to privatize the USPS, bravely resisted by Bernard Sanders, that puts this recent tempest over the USPS' current status in a whole new even more grim and dark lighting. What Trump is doing now to the post office was the aim of the Obama era appointments, so I guess the USPS was only saved by hero Sanders for a short time.

[Felya]

I thought it was a an honest reveal.

It’s incomplete, without noting that this was a reply to a post from 4 days and 20 pages ago, that wasn’t quoting anyone.

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Hell, one need only look at the Obama administrations efforts to privatize the USPS, bravely resisted by Bernard Sanders, that puts this recent tempest over the USPS' current status in a whole new even more grim and dark lighting. What Trump is doing now to the post office was the aim of the Obama era appointments, so I guess the USPS was only saved by hero Sanders for a short time.

Obama knew that covid would require mail in voting? Are you sure about that?

Receipts:

I do enjoy David Rubin's show on youtube

So TPP's chances seem to have faded ever further and Mitch seems to have put the lid on a Lame Duck passage. I suppose I owe the first Turtle American senator a drink. Of course how ironic that the Republicans now have to be counted on to stop a Democrat president from screwing over American workers.

[Felya]

Of course, everyone who doesn't drink the corporate democrat kool-aid must be trolling.

"Everybody wants the same, everybody is the same: whoever feels different goes voluntarily into a madhouse.”

No, with you... it’s because you constantly break character to support Trump. Lying about your location to claim you will move to a swing state to vote for Trump, isn’t due to any kool aid on our part.

Seriously... what makes you lie about giving a shit and then claim you support Trump? What drives that? It’s not kool aid, I assume...

For you to claim anyone else is drinking cool aid is absurd... fucking self proclaimed BLM activist, that will fly to US to vote for Trump... then ends up in Florida during a travel ban... is saying others are brain washed... what the fuck...

[Belize]

Dishonest? Do you believe I don't actually believe this but am saying it for some unknown motive?

I prefer to assume that someone is willfully dishonest, and isn't actually that stupid.

If you want to insist that you're actually serious, and can't actually tell the difference between Biden and Trump, that's your predicament.

[Edge-]

Hell, one need only look at the Obama administrations efforts to privatize the USPS, bravely resisted by Bernard Sanders, that puts this recent tempest over the USPS' current status in a whole new even more grim and dark lighting. What Trump is doing now to the post office was the aim of the Obama era appointments, so I guess the USPS was only saved by hero Sanders for a short time.

Best I can find is the USPS IG report that rustled some feathers for...non USPS folks - https://newrepublic.com/article/1165...intment-powers

And that while Sanders may have been well intentioned in stonewalling BOG appointments from Obama, it had the unintended side effect of setting the stage for Trump to pack the BOG - https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/s...62847728386048

I see no evidence anywhere that Obama's nominees sought to privatize the USPS. Though interestingly, it looks like Sanders wasn't out to brag about holding those appointees up, either - https://postalnews.com/blog/2015/09/...t-of-business/

[Belize]

Best I can find is the USPS IG report that rustled some feathers for...non USPS folks - https://newrepublic.com/article/1165...intment-powers

And that while Sanders may have been well intentioned in stonewalling BOG appointments from Obama, it had the unintended side effect of setting the stage for Trump to pack the BOG - https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/s...62847728386048

I see no evidence anywhere that Obama's nominees sought to privatize the USPS. Though interestingly, it looks like Sanders wasn't out to brag about holding those appointees up, either - https://postalnews.com/blog/2015/09/...t-of-business/

I don't understand why you go out of your way to disprove Theo's unsourced conspiratorial ramblings. No amount of facts will ever change its mind.

[Theodarzna]

Best I can find is the USPS IG report that rustled some feathers for...non USPS folks - https://newrepublic.com/article/1165...intment-powers

And that while Sanders may have been well intentioned in stonewalling BOG appointments from Obama, it had the unintended side effect of setting the stage for Trump to pack the BOG - https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/s...62847728386048

I see no evidence anywhere that Obama's nominees sought to privatize the USPS. Though interestingly, it looks like Sanders wasn't out to brag about holding those appointees up, either - https://postalnews.com/blog/2015/09/...t-of-business/

Pffft. That wouldn't have mattered, Trump would have appointed a majority anyway, and all of Obama's appointment wanted privatization (Was a Reagan era flacky even), cuts to 6 day mail, gut the Union, cut the amount of jobs, end pensions and healthcare benefits and at least one was a payday lending lobbies. So, essentially what Trump is doing is what Obama intended to do but was stopped from doing by Sanders.

Lets go over who those appointees were and what their intentions where for the post office. That could illuminating.

[Edge-]

Pffft. That wouldn't have mattered, Trump would have appointed a majority anyway

From what I can tell...

There are up to 9 members of the BOG, and each member serves for 9 years.

That would mean that Trump would have been able to appoint 4, with 5 remaining Obama BOG members on the board.

So...no?

and all of Obama's appointment wanted privatization (Was a Reagan era flacky even) cuts to 6 day mail, gut the Union, cut the amount of jobs, end pensions and healthcare benefits and at least one was a payday lending lobbies.

Citation needed*

I'm sure some of this was on the table, and there's valid discussion to be had on this, but I've yet to be able to find much information on the positions of his nominees for the BOG.

So, essentially what Trump is doing is what Obama intended to do but was stopped from doing by Sanders.

Citation needed that Obama wanted to destroy mail sorting machines, remove mailboxes, and cripple the USPS to the point where they are weeks behind on delivering mail to some areas.

Lets go over who those appointees were and what their intentions where for the post office. That could illuminating.

Cool, why don't you share it with the rest of us, then?

[Felya]

Best I can find is the USPS IG report that rustled some feathers for...non USPS folks - https://newrepublic.com/article/1165...intment-powers

And that while Sanders may have been well intentioned in stonewalling BOG appointments from Obama, it had the unintended side effect of setting the stage for Trump to pack the BOG - https://twitter.com/DrJasonJohnson/s...62847728386048

I see no evidence anywhere that Obama's nominees sought to privatize the USPS. Though interestingly, it looks like Sanders wasn't out to brag about holding those appointees up, either - https://postalnews.com/blog/2015/09/...t-of-business/

It’s worse... Obama actually tried saving it and succeeded:

USPS Records First Profit in Five Years as Obama Calls for Shedding 12K Postal Jobs
https://www.govexec.com/management/2...l-jobs/125825/

The president’s plan would allow USPS to phase out to-the-door delivery in favor of centralized or curbside delivery, while codifying the current policy of not closing rural post offices. The White House again pitched increasing revenue by providing postal management with more flexibility in creating new business opportunities, as well as boosting cooperation with state and local governments to offer services at post offices.

That doesn’t sound like privatization...

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Pffft. That wouldn't have mattered, Trump would have appointed a majority anyway, and all of Obama's appointment wanted privatization (Was a Reagan era flacky even), cuts to 6 day mail, gut the Union, cut the amount of jobs, end pensions and healthcare benefits and at least one was a payday lending lobbies. So, essentially what Trump is doing is what Obama intended to do but was stopped from doing by Sanders.

Lets go over who those appointees were and what their intentions where for the post office. That could illuminating.

The changes proposed by Obama in February 2018, was to incorporate more state control of their mail. When in the next year did it shift to privatization?

[Edge-]

I suppose you only had to go and do an effort in "finding" anything because it's not as clearly on your memory as it is on mine.

The Washington Post reported on it way back, 4 or 5 years ago, as did many other prominent news outlets. Iirc there were also several outright public statements by Obama where he fronted the idea of privatizing the USPS. Either way, some source material (based on the WaPo reports):

From the WashPo piece -

He’s even blocked a slate of nominees to the agency’s governing board because he believes they would slash jobs and outsource one of America’s oldest institutions to private companies.

I'm still not seeing any evidence that Obama's nominees actually held this position.

Also, Obama opposed privatization - https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...sident-youtube

MR. GROVE: Mr. President, let's lighten things up for a minute. We got a lot of people just submitting their ideas to you -- ideas for how to make the country better. They wanted to hear what you thought about them.

Let's play sort of a faster round of a thing we'll call "Good idea, bad idea." I'll show you an idea. You say whether you think it's good or bad, and maybe just a few sentences about what you think about it.

First one comes from Aloha Tony, your home state of Hawaii. He says, "Mr. President, our deficit is higher than ever at $12 trillion. Will you consider allowing the private sector to buy and take over the most troubled government-run agencies such as the U.S. Postal Service?"

THE PRESIDENT: Bad idea most of the time. There are examples where privatization makes sense, where people can do things much more efficiently. But oftentimes what you see is companies want to buy those parts of a government-run op that are profitable, and they don't want to do anything else.

So, for example, the U.S. Postal Service, everybody would love to have that high-end part of the business that FedEx and UPS are already in, business to business you make a lot of money. But do they want to deliver that postcard to a remote area somewhere in rural America that is a money loser? Well, the U.S. Post Office provides universal service. Those companies would not want to provide universal service. So you've got to make sure that you look carefully at what privatization proposals are out there.

MR. GROVE: So bad idea most of the time?

THE PRESIDENT: Most of the time.

Unless you can find him saying otherwise later, I'm fine with sticking to the, "No, Obama didn't want to privatize USPS and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise." train.

[Felya]

I suppose you only had to go and do an effort in "finding" anything because it's not as clearly on your memory as it is on mine.

The Washington Post reported on it way back, 4 or 5 years ago, as did many other prominent news outlets. Iirc there were also several outright public statements by Obama where he fronted the idea of privatizing the USPS. Which he later changed his tune on in a final Q&A interview, stating it was a "bad idea", but commented nothing on his nominees who were seemingly all for it. "Bad idea" was in that context a very hands-off comment, where he would still leave it up to the nominees in the end.

Evidence of the bold? Neither your link nor Obama’s proposal in 2016, had anything to do with privatization. In fact, your link had him be quite clearly saying he was against it.

Oh and this is a flat out lie:

"Bad idea" was in that context a very hands-off comment, where he would still leave it up to the nominees in the end.

Here is the actual contact from the article:

Let's play sort of a faster round of a thing we'll call "Good idea, bad idea."

What’s with the lying?

[beanman12345]

I prefer to assume that someone is willfully dishonest, and isn't actually that stupid.

If you want to insist that you're actually serious, and can't actually tell the difference between Biden and Trump, that's your predicament.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Theo's plagiarism , Jettisawn using nazi propoganda, Ghosty and his 3 month old cherry picked polls, like big yikes.

[TACOshake]

When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Theo, Jetti, Ghosty and his 3 month old cherry picked polls, like big yikes.

They dont technically support Trump.... But boy, do they do nothing but post anti-Democrat agitprop.

[Felya]

They dont technically support Trump.... But boy, do they do nothing but post anti-Democrat agitprop.

This page is blatant fucking lying... from their own articles... wtf?