Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Theodarzna]

Most likely something about Obama and Biden spying on Trump or more stuff on Hunter Biden. We know Guliani and crew have been helping in the report so a propaganda emergency press conference in October to help Trump but who knows what they will make up. However it could be something worse some kind of investigation to give Trump the excuse to postpone or cancel the election if the polling is not going his way.

I cannot see that actually working. Hunter Biden's coke fueled escapades are already well known, and while it would be further confirmation to his base; would say someone like you care? Revelations about Obama/Biden spying or whatever; would it matter? First, for someone like yourself, or anyone in this thread, would you even believe something released by Bill Barr? Why would you believe it? For someone who thinks RussiaGate is real, it wouldn't be believed and why would one believe Bill Barr anyway? There is no good reason to believe him on that. If you think RussiaGate is fake, you will go "Okay" because its I guess confirmation though I'd say confirmation from an untrustworthy source.

For normal people, what can you even believe? All of it is just confusing partisan noise set amidst the material reality that is melting down and in some cases literally on fire around everyone. Every week some new horror emerges into our field of vision. The lived material existence of the average normal person is enough of an all consuming situation that I think come November, most of the public will be totally numb; and only the most serious partisans, the most committed of each parties base will still care.

[unfilteredJW]

I cannot see that actually working. Hunter Biden's coke fueled escapades are already well known, and while it would be further confirmation to his base; would say someone like you care? Revelations about Obama/Biden spying or whatever; would it matter? First, for someone like yourself, or anyone in this thread, would you even believe something released by Bill Barr? Why would you believe it? For someone who thinks RussiaGate is real, it wouldn't be believed and why would one believe Bill Barr anyway? There is no good reason to believe him on that. If you think RussiaGate is fake, you will go "Okay" because its I guess confirmation though I'd say confirmation from an untrustworthy source.

For normal people, what can you even believe? All of it is just confusing partisan noise set amidst the material reality that is melting down and in some cases literally on fire around everyone. Every week some new horror emerges into our field of vision. The lived material existence of the average normal person is enough of an all consuming situation that I think come November, most of the public will be totally numb; and only the most serious partisans, the most committed of each parties base will still care.

Spare us the fake caring.

This coming from someone actively adding to and stirring the pot is fucking lol.

[Benggaul]

Great to see, but I doubt we're going to see this in all of the states and probably not in the states that are going to sway the election. Still, this needs to happen more, always.

Washington Postal Workers Defy USPS Orders And Reinstall Mail Sorting Machines

[Ursus]

Great to see, but I doubt we're going to see this in all of the states and probably not in the states that are going to sway the election. Still, this needs to happen more, always.

Washington Postal Workers Defy USPS Orders And Reinstall Mail Sorting Machines

Good to see them getting into some good trouble.

I hope the House Oversight Committee on Monday really presses the dipshit DeJoy on what possible legitimate reason he could have for refusing to reconnect the sorting machines. He shouldn't be able to weasel out of this by just saying they're not needed.

[Benggaul]

Good to see them getting into some good trouble.

I hope the House Oversight Committee on Monday really presses the dipshit DeJoy on what possible legitimate reason he could have for refusing to reconnect the sorting machines. He shouldn't be able to weasel out of this by just saying they're not needed.

Especially since that's patently not true. Plenty of confirmed stories coming out of the depots that stacks and stacks of mail are being left behind because there's not enough time/man/machinepower to sort it all.

EDIT: I mean, when things are so bad they are LOSING HUMAN REMAINS then I'd say there's a problem. The family of a Vet shouldn't have to worry about this shit just because DeJoy ostensibly wants to run the USPS like a business.

[Ghostpanther]

Hasn't Trump been screaming about non-existent mail-in voter fraud? Didn't a federal judge just tell him that he had zero evidence to support that claim?


Over 40% of the votes cast in the 2016 election were done in a non-election-day manner, where a ballot could just be mailed in or dropped off.

The idea that mass mail-in voting will be fraudulent is complete, absolute, utter, 100% bullshit. And even if they were fraudulent, then Trump's election in 2016 should be the first to go, no?

It is not non existent. https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/...ud-in-america/

I agree it has not been massive. But the election in 2008 in which Bush only won Florida by a few hundred votes, does show the potential is there if there are not ways to ensure they are valid votes. When a election is that close, making sure every vote is valid, is critical. And the Judge has ordered him to provide proof. He has until next month sometime to do that.

I am not against mail in voting, such as is done with absentee mail in voting. At this point it really sounds like some are looking for a excuse in case Trump does win. lol!

[cubby]

Especially since that's patently not true. Plenty of confirmed stories coming out of the depots that stacks and stacks of mail are being left behind because there's not enough time/man/machinepower to sort it all.

EDIT: I mean, when things are so bad they are LOSING HUMAN REMAINS then I'd say there's a problem. The family of a Vet shouldn't have to worry about this shit just because DeJoy ostensibly wants to run the USPS like a business.

It boggles my mind that people still think running the government "like a business" is going to result in any kind of success. Government services don't run a profit, or more precisely, rarely do. And the USPS is way down on the list of services that can be profitable.

[Shadowferal]

McConnell rips Democrats for passing 'piecemeal Postal Bill', 'ignoring urgent needs' of Americans
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With stories such as this; USPS lost Army veteran's remains, delaying delivery, family says
...the bill might just bull through.

[unfilteredJW]

It is not non existent. https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/...ud-in-america/

I agree it has not been massive. But the election in 2008 in which Bush only won Florida by a few hundred votes, does show the potential is there if there are not ways to ensure they are valid votes. When a election is that close, making sure every vote is valid, is critical. And the Judge has ordered him to provide proof. He has until next month sometime to do that.

I am not against mail in voting, such as is done with absentee mail in voting. At this point it really sounds like some are looking for a excuse in case Trump does win. lol!

Linking Heritage info non ironically.

[PhaelixWW]

It is not non existent. https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/...ud-in-america/

No, sorry. First, the vast majority of those cases have nothing to do with mail-in or even absentee ballots. Most are other various types of election fraud, from buying votes, to illegal registration, to ineligible voting, to duplicate (non-absentee) voting. Of the ~1000 cases listed on Heritage Foundation's tracker, only ~200 of them are related to absentee ballots. Second, the vast majority of those cases involve only one or two fraudulent votes. And that database covers 20 years (technically, it goes back almost 40, but the cases are sparse before about 2000, so I won't count those against you).

So you're talking about 10 cases a year, involving only a handful of votes, covering every single election in the US, of which there are thousands per year.

And the Judge has ordered him to provide proof. He has until next month sometime to do that.

Again, no, sorry. The hearing is set for next month, but that deadline is come and gone.

Judge Ranjan (a Trump appointed judge), gave Trump's lawyers a deadline of yesterday to provide proof of his claim of widespread voter fraud. Trump failed to do so.

At this point it really sounds like some are looking for a excuse in case Trump does win. lol!

Again, no, sorry. The only reason mail-in voting is an issue right now is because Trump baselessly claims that it will lead to a fraudulent result, and has moved to fight it throughout the country by any and all means.

[Ivanstone]

It boggles my mind that people still think running the government "like a business" is going to result in any kind of success. Government services don't run a profit, or more precisely, rarely do. And the USPS is way down on the list of services that can be profitable.

The USPS used to be pretty profitable. The shit hit the fan with the GOP's fuckery with postal pensions.

[Eviscero]

It is not non existent. https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/...ud-in-america/

I agree it has not been massive. But the election in 2008 in which Bush only won Florida by a few hundred votes, does show the potential is there if there are not ways to ensure they are valid votes. When a election is that close, making sure every vote is valid, is critical. And the Judge has ordered him to provide proof. He has until next month sometime to do that.

I am not against mail in voting, such as is done with absentee mail in voting. At this point it really sounds like some are looking for a excuse in case Trump does win. lol!

Trump has been making excuses about his loss since before 2016. He makes excuses even after winning (the electoral college) because he is so butt hurt that he lost the popular vote by enormous numbers. He's the limpest of limp dicks.

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McConnell rips Democrats for passing 'piecemeal Postal Bill', 'ignoring urgent needs' of Americans
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With stories such as this; USPS lost Army veteran's remains, delaying delivery, family says
...the bill might just bull through.

With deep red seats so preposterously secure and Fox news blatantly lying 24/7 to protect Trump and the GOP, I doubt the Senate takes this up and I doubt that makes a single fucking difference come Nov.

[kaid]

McConnell rips Democrats for passing 'piecemeal Postal Bill', 'ignoring urgent needs' of Americans
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With stories such as this; USPS lost Army veteran's remains, delaying delivery, family says
...the bill might just bull through.

This bill is pelosi really spiking trumps wheel. Trump's team was saying they wanted to do a narrowly focused bill to fund the post office so pelosi called his bluff and passed just that in a bipartisan faction. So she just foists it off on the senate and trump She has passed a comprehensive bill she has passed a focused bill there is not a hell of a lot more they can do until the GOP does something/anything.

[Benggaul]

With deep red seats so preposterously secure and Fox news blatantly lying 24/7 to protect Trump and the GOP, I doubt the Senate takes this up and I doubt that makes a single fucking difference come Nov.

The Senate won't take it up. McConnell said as much, while trying to blame the Dems who were the ones who were actually trying to do something. *shrug*

[Edge-]

It is not non existent. https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/...ud-in-america/

I agree it has not been massive. But the election in 2008 in which Bush only won Florida by a few hundred votes, does show the potential is there if there are not ways to ensure they are valid votes. When a election is that close, making sure every vote is valid, is critical. And the Judge has ordered him to provide proof. He has until next month sometime to do that.

I am not against mail in voting, such as is done with absentee mail in voting. At this point it really sounds like some are looking for a excuse in case Trump does win. lol!

Barely 1300 votes over four fucking years? Yeah, that's statistically insinificant and all research has indicated that no outcomes have been changed as a result of fraud. I haven't even looked into whether all those are legit or whether they're counting registration fraud and fraud that was prevented, neither of which would have made votes count.

Heritage Foundation has a vested interest in proving that voter fraud is a problem, and they can't even do that.

Much like Trump's "Voter Fraud" commission, which ended up falling apart after failing spectacularly to find any meaningful voter fraud and it devolved into the conservative members pushing conspiracy theories.

[Benggaul]

Barely 1300 votes over four fucking years? Yeah, that's statistically insinificant and all research has indicated that no outcomes have been changed as a result of fraud. I haven't even looked into whether all those are legit or whether they're counting registration fraud and fraud that was prevented, neither of which would have made votes count.

Heritage Foundation has a vested interest in proving that voter fraud is a problem, and they can't even do that.

Much like Trump's "Voter Fraud" commission, which ended up falling apart after failing spectacularly to find any meaningful voter fraud and it devolved into the conservative members pushing conspiracy theories.

I linked it in the General thread, but it's really around 1300 "fraudulent" ballots over 250 million total mail-in ballots over 20 years. .0005%.

[cubby]

The USPS used to be pretty profitable. The shit hit the fan with the GOP's fuckery with postal pensions.

I didn't know that - I thought it was always a loss. What did they do?

[Zaydin]

I didn't know that - I thought it was always a loss. What did they do?

The GOP required the Post Office to prefund pension benefits for 75 years in a bill they rammed through during the lame duck session in 2006. Yes, the GOP forced the Post Office to pay for the retirement benefits of employees that haven't been born yet.

[cubby]

It is not non existent. https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/...ud-in-america/

I agree it has not been massive. But the election in 2008 in which Bush only won Florida by a few hundred votes, does show the potential is there if there are not ways to ensure they are valid votes. When a election is that close, making sure every vote is valid, is critical. And the Judge has ordered him to provide proof. He has until next month sometime to do that.

I am not against mail in voting, such as is done with absentee mail in voting. At this point it really sounds like some are looking for a excuse in case Trump does win. lol!

So no proof then? Thanks for trying - it's sad the way the GOP stooges carry the water of issues they literally know nothing about. Chugging that kool-aid, eyes closed, does have it's ramifications.

I also appreciate your little jibe re mail-in vs absentee ballots - once again showing your utter ignorance as to what Trump is doing to the mail system.

[beanman12345]

Wouldn't be surprised if the regular "totally not trump supporters" come in here with the embarrassingly ignorant argument of "well it's not trumps fault the USPS isn't getting those funds, cause the bill never got to him" like they tried to use with the coronavirus relief bill in the other thread. What did trump say, "I really love the poorly educated" or some such along those lines.