Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Belize]

They've been suggesting violence for months at this point.

I'm sure they'd love to see violence, it'd give them an excuse to either exercise their second amendment or to see the Feds sent in again.

[PACOX]

They've been suggesting violence for months at this point.

What? No. Trump and his cult would love that. And they'll have no problem manipulating the narrative their favor looking at how they corrupted the protests narrative.

[beanman12345]

Yeeeah, but Biden's campaign has been doing that for a while now, and you can bet Warren--who always brought detailed plans during the primaries--is going to be a big part of all of that. The Dems have already at least outlined plans far more than the GOP's "We're just going to do what Trump wants" platform.

I sincerely doubt there is a significant percentage of voters who are in any doubt at all of who they are going to vote for at this point. We passed that point a long time ago. Now it's just about making sure that all legitimate votes are counted and people aren't disenfranchised by Trump's interference with voting both in-person and by mail.

On that note, Rep. Katie Porter fucking caned DeJoy today and it was glorious to behold, though I'm doubtful anything will change as a result of it.

Katie Porter is my favorite person in congress. It's not even close.

[eschatological]

Clearly state actual liberal/progressive plans for actual problems.

Again, i'm voting for Biden no matter what happens going forward, but I'm a diehard liberal and my 2020 (and beyond) vote was cast in 2000.

Independents are what matter and they want a plan of attack for major issues.

That happened in 2016. Those coal miners who voted for Trump because Hillary was gonna get rid of their jobs? She had a plan, which she outlined multiple times, to convert their jobs into higher-paying, more skilled, safer green energy jobs....and they just didn't listen.

Likewise, the Democratic party is consistently talking about policy - but policy never gets any airtime on cable news, or Twitter, or wherever the fuck people are supposedly politically engaged.

[Omega10]

I don't think we will see a Trump convention bump. At this point, everybody have pretty much already made up their mind. The majority of polls that I have seen put the current numbers of the undecided at around 10%. Much lower than at the same time during the 2016 election cycle (around 20% in August). The problem with a polarizing candidate like Trump is that at this early stage of the election, people have pretty made up their mind whether they are for or against him. Not much will change that. I am afraid that there won't be an October surprise this time.

I think you might be correct here. Biden might actually get a bump from the Trump convention.

Here is a report from Yahoo (apparently the first day was today, and it was earlier?).

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...172827704.html

Title: CNN Cuts Away From Donald Trump’s Republican Convention Speech: “The Most Recent Greatest Hits And False Statements”

The article was mostly about the convention being Trump lying all the time.

Excerpts:

As Donald Trump addressed delegates at the Republican National Convention on Monday, CNN cut away from his speech, with anchor Anderson Cooper explaining that the president’s speech was “the most recent greatest hits and false statements.”

After MSNBC aired the entire speech, Chuck Todd said that what Trump delivered was a “grievance-filled informal acceptance speech” that was “filled with so many problems about mail-voting that if we were to air only the truthful parts, we probably could have only aired only a sentence, if that much.”

There are two notable features of their convention. 1 is that Trump lying is something he has done for 4 years now, so this is not something that is new or exciting or anything. 2 is that reporters are more aggressive about calling out his lies then ever before.

Trump's support is in about the low 40s last I checked. It really needs to drop into the 30s... it just might happen.

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That happened in 2016. Those coal miners who voted for Trump because Hillary was gonna get rid of their jobs? She had a plan, which she outlined multiple times, to convert their jobs into higher-paying, more skilled, safer green energy jobs....and they just didn't listen.

Likewise, the Democratic party is consistently talking about policy - but policy never gets any airtime on cable news, or Twitter, or wherever the fuck people are supposedly politically engaged.

At this point, the democrats have talked more than enough about policy. And what they have talked about is left enough for the liberal side. Democrats did what they needed to do

Between now and November what democrats need to do is play hard ball politics, to get Biden as much of a win as possible, to get 4 Senate seats, and to switch as many down ballot positions from republican to democratic.

[Jastall]

More this goes, the more I feel like the shenanigans around the election will make 2000's look like the clearest and most transparent in history. The Republicans aren't even trying to hide that their goal isn't to convince or inspire voters but to disfranchise them instead, if not outright trying to rig the process RE mail-in ballots that suddenly became the devil when it suited them.

[beanman12345]

More this goes, the more I feel like the shenanigans around the election will make 2000's look like the clearest and most transparent in history. The Republicans aren't even trying to hide that their goal isn't to convince or inspire voters but to disfranchise them instead, if not outright trying to rig the process RE mail-in ballots that suddenly became the devil when it suited them.

Wouldn't surprise me. Just hope it doesn't come down to 1 single state with a GOP ratface SecState. And if that hope is lost then hope John Roberts continues to give Trump the finger.

[cubby]

More this goes, the more I feel like the shenanigans around the election will make 2000's look like the clearest and most transparent in history. The Republicans aren't even trying to hide that their goal isn't to convince or inspire voters but to disfranchise them instead, if not outright trying to rig the process RE mail-in ballots that suddenly became the devil when it suited them.

All bets are that is exactly what will happen.

Keep in mind that Trump has spent his entire life doing whatever he wants, and suing to avoid consequences. Once Election Day is over, he will declare victory, and sue each and every state (battleground only) that is not immediately declaring him the winner. Those suits will be complicated and difficult to understand even for attorneys, much less the layman who is already overworked and utterly frustrated.

Trump will make a mockery of our electoral system, which could, if our better angels prevail, be the impetus for Electoral College reform. But if Trump wins, we are truly lost.

[Benggaul]

The Biden campaign has rejected Richard Spencer's endorsement, so I'm sure we'll see a lot of "concerned independents/total progressives" rolling back their attempts at "gotchas" later today.

[Edge-]

The Biden campaign has rejected Richard Spencer's endorsement, so I'm sure we'll see a lot of "concerned independents/total progressives" rolling back their attempts at "gotchas" later today.

Did he claim not to know the guy first?

[Benggaul]

Did he claim not to know the guy first?

Not that I've read...and he also didn't require a week and the urging of multitudes to do so.

[Edge-]

Not that I've read...and he also didn't require a week and the urging of multitudes to do so.

What the fuck, and he wants to be president? He clearly doesn't know how to campaign, first you need to accept it, then spend a week claiming you don't know anything about the guy, and then after a week of being savaged for accepting it you need to say you no longer accept it while portraying yourself as the victim of unfair media who attacked you for no reason.

Sheesh, no wonder he hasn't won office yet! (/s)

Seriously though, it's a breath of fresh air to have like, normal campaigns and behavior and shit again.

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America lives in two very different realities.

[Benggaul]

What the fuck, and he wants to be president? He clearly doesn't know how to campaign, first you need to accept it, then spend a week claiming you don't know anything about the guy, and then after a week of being savaged for accepting it you need to say you no longer accept it while portraying yourself as the victim of unfair media who attacked you for no reason.

Sheesh, no wonder he hasn't won office yet! (/s)

Seriously though, it's a breath of fresh air to have like, normal campaigns and behavior and shit again.

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America lives in two very different realities.

But Edge, hE's tEH SaME aS tRUmP!

[Thelxi]

I'm way too excited for the RNC.

Among other things, I hope Nikki Haley sinks her ship. She's a dangerously smart and charismatic woman imo. Seeing her on the UN security council was enough for me, but people are still entertaining the idea of her. Hopefully seeing her share the stage with Rudy Giuliani will sober people up and kill her political future.

[kaid]

I'm way too excited for the RNC.

Among other things, I hope Nikki Haley sinks her ship. She's a dangerously smart and charismatic woman imo. Seeing her on the UN security council was enough for me, but people are still entertaining the idea of her. Hopefully seeing her share the stage with Rudy Giuliani will sober people up and kill her political future.

I think her problem is she will never fit into a trump mold and I am not sure what is left of the GOP when trump eventually is gone either after this term or the next one. I think the far right of the party would eat her alive.

[cubby]

I'm way too excited for the RNC.

Among other things, I hope Nikki Haley sinks her ship. She's a dangerously smart and charismatic woman imo. Seeing her on the UN security council was enough for me, but people are still entertaining the idea of her. Hopefully seeing her share the stage with Rudy Giuliani will sober people up and kill her political future.

She is a VERY good candidate - when they were floating the idea of swapping out Pence for her, I got concerned - because she is pretty good.

[Thekri]

She is a VERY good candidate - when they were floating the idea of swapping out Pence for her, I got concerned - because she is pretty good.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump offered it, and she turned it down. I get the vibe from her she is trying to hedge her bets for the post-Trump GOP. If she bucks him now, she will alienate the base, but if she sticks too close, she will go down with the ship. She is maintaining credible deniability right now.

[Felya]

So... with the RNC right now... If Biden is considered an extreme liberal and Trump a moderate... where exactly is the Overton window?

[beanman12345]

Totally not surprised the concern trolls with 400-500 posts in this thread mysteriously being absent during RNC.

[Thekri]

So with George Conway stepping back from the Lincoln Project, they found a replacement, and it is a hell of a doozy. Michael Steele is joining the Lincoln Project in an advisory role.

Steele was an RNC Chairman from 2009 to 2011, literally the head of the GOP during that time. He oversaw the largest GOP wins in a century during the 2010 elections, but was forced out before the 2012 elections. Steele is a "Big Tent" GOPer to the max, he was part of that effort to rebrand the GOP toward younger voters and minorities, to make it more of a working class party. All the ideals that Trump ripped away from the GOP before he danced on the corpse. Steele is a big deal, and a hell of a political operator. He hates Trump for destroying the party he attempted to make.