Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Daedius]

You're voting Trump, you're a Trumper. Noone gives a fuck how you rationalize it. You vote Trump=Trumper. Don't want to be a Trumper? Don't vote Trump. Shit ain't complicated.

Those are the candidates people voted for.

And yes, you absolutely are a Trumpster.

How droll, making it so black and white. Like I said, I'd vote Republicans over Dems any day. It's just unfortunate it's Trump...

[Edge-]

The very least they could do is acknowledge the 40% of Democrats who voted for his platform.

They did. They got to influence the party platform and there was a specific Biden/Sanders task force to hash out issues that largely pushed the Biden campaign to the left.

Again, that's how this works. It's what happened in 2016, and we had a more progressive platform, and overall party, then compared to 2012 or 2008, and that's what's happening now as the party continues to slowly move to the left even as it has a decidedly not left candidate.

[For_The_Horde]

For the morbidly curious.

Suggest watching as a lead-in to:
The Handmaiden's Tale
Lovecraft Country
a Wolfenstein playthrough



Watching her trash California ... is not really that surprising.

She looks like she just unleashed another monster onto the power rangers.

[Benggaul]

At some point things will become untenable, and if people don't see that gradual slide then I don't know what else to say. Trump is a terrible, but incompetent president. What happens in 4 to 8 years if we get someone who can actual avoid saying the quiet parts out loud?

Why would 4 or 8 more years of an Obama agenda lead us to a better place then it did last time? Everyone seems to think it was rainbows and unicorns under Obama. It wasn't, it was very reflective of right now where the stock market is doing great, but half the country is living pay check to pay check. Yet the solution is do to more of the same? That's insane.

That's twice you've avoided answering the question, so I'm going to assume you either don't know or don't want to admit it. Fine by me.

I, too, want a more progressive America and I've done my part to fight for, support and vote for more progressive candidates for over 20 years now. When that doesn't work out--and it has NEVER worked out more in the past 20 years than it has in the present day--I've voted for those who were at least pulling in the same direction. This time around that's Biden. Not the candidate I wanted. Not the candidate nearly every single person in this thread wanted. But he's the candidate that made it through the primaries and is at least willing to try to work with progressives (and is, currently working with the likes of Bernie and Warren) whereas the alternative is the candidate that has already had nearly 4 years to prove he is willing to do anything to destroy progressive ideology.

You say your vote won't matter because of your state. Fine. Whatever you want to say to excuse it is up to you and you alone. As I've said before, I'm not here to tell you who to vote for or condemn you for it (well, unless you're voting for Trump because that automatically makes you a bigoted fuck). But constantly shitting on the one candidate in this particular race who has a chance at helping get progressive goals across--and by proxy those supporting him--is not helping progressives. Some people here have treated you unfairly, but you're not doing yourself any favors either.

That'll be my last word on it with you. Take it or leave it as you will.

[Machismo]

How droll, making it so black and white. Like I said, I'd vote Republicans over Dems any day. It's just unfortunate it's Trump...

Thanks for proving my point.

[Daedius]

Thanks for proving my point.

Not much of a "proving" anything other than showing yourself being juvenile.

[Machismo]

No, it anything we are loud voice of a larger group who is tired of getting fucked over and ignored by the party that supposedly cares about issues like "health care", but then uses Orwellian words like accessibility and affordability. A party leader that completely dismisses policy we actually need to implement as "the green dream or whatever". They couldn't even pass basic gun reform when they had a super majority. I don't know how much more ineffective one party can be. At least the GOP got their god awful tax breaks, all Obama could manage is a weak GOP healthcare plan.

You aren't being ignored, but they are also not pandering to you. If you are an unreliable voter, then why should they gon out of their way to court you? If the tiniest slight causes you people to stomp your feet and stay home, then why should anyone try?

That's like me, a libertarian, mad that the DNC isn't pandering to me. At the end of the day, their efforts arw better spent elsewhere.

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So all Republicans are "Trumpsters"... how juvenile.

Yep, if you are a Trump supporter, that's what you are.

[Daedius]

Yep, if you are a Trump supporter, that's what you are.

So what's the Dems equivalent then, "Bidets"?
[Infraction]

[Captain N]

So all Republicans are "Trumpsters"... how juvenile.

Not all of you. Just the 82% that continue to blindly follow and continuously claim that Democrats are worse -- Do you know anyone like that?

[Machismo]

So what's the Dems equivalent then, "Bidets"?

Sure, if that's what you want to use. Of course, I doubt they care too much what insult Trumpsters try and level at them.

[Omega10]

Polls have some good news for Biden:

If you look at 538, the number of outliers that have Trump's approval at below 40% is starting to grow. A couple of polls also have him at 40 and 41 percent. This is a possible sign that Trump's base is cracking.

An interesting aspect of this is as follows:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/as-th...175401921.html

Title: As their convention begins, some Republicans revolt

Excerpts:

In Gallup polls, Trump’s approval rating among Republicans is around 90%, roughly the same as it was when Trump took office in 2017. So it seems that the party’s core isn’t following the apostates into rebellion. But only 26% of Americans say they’re Republican, down from 31% right after Trump took office in 2017. The portion identifying as Democrats during that time has stayed the same, at 31%, while 41% now say they’re Independent, up from 37%.

There are other signs that Trump’s support is softening among the party faithful. The portion of Republicans saying the country is on the wrong track has soared from 13% before the coronavirus pandemic to 50% now, according to YouGov. Democrats and Independents are even gloomier, but the Trump campaign has to be alarmed that their core voters are that unhappy. Some Republicans might say they still support Trump, but be less enthused and more likely to stay home on Election Day.

Basically, republicans disgusted by Trump are becoming non-republicans. And the 50% of the republicans saying that the country is on the wrong track suggests that the remaining republicans might be a bit less aggressive about supporting Trump.

Anecdotally, the RNC is double plus unpleasant and scary to people. If Trump wanted to alienate lots of lots of Americans, well the RNC is doing exactly that. It's possible that the RNC will give Biden a nice convention bump, and will also motivate pissed off republicans to come out forcefully against Trump. Fingers crossed.

[Milchshake]

If you didn't see it earlier today, this is a great ad from the Biden camp.

[Daedius]

Sure, if that's what you want to use. Of course, I doubt they care too much what insult Trumpsters try and level at them.

Find it cute you feel the urge to "insult" to make yourself feel better to begin with. That's just how pathetic a lot of people see the Democrats today tbh, especially the tantrum tossing youth.

And for the record, I was going with Dems prior to 2016 for reasons I already stated earlier.

[pathora44]

So what's the Dems equivalent then, "Bidets"?

Not really an equivalent because Democrats aren't cultist lemmings who will blindly jump off the cliffside because the cult leader tells us too. Republicans made a bed out of literal shit and blood when they threw everything in with Trump against Democracy. So don't be offended when people say you smell like shit when you roll around in it all day.
[Infraction]

[Kaleredar]

Find it cute you feel the urge to "insult" to make yourself feel better to begin with. That's just how pathetic a lot of people see the Democrats today tbh, especially the tantrum tossing youth.

And for the record, I was going with Dems prior to 2016 for reasons I already stated earlier.

It’s so strange to read a post from someone that can’t possibly back up any of their ostensible “policy based decisions” with actual actions from Trump over these past four years.

It’s like watching a shadow’s mouth moving. There’s just nothing there.


I suppose you deserve some modicum of credit from being different from the “Biden isn’t liberal enough” loons who try and not-so-subtly promote a trump victory by discouraging democrat voters from voting, or the purile trump supporters that just toss in drive by snips of patently false information before sodding off for 20 pages, but... novelty is just that: novelty.

[Daedius]

Not really an equivalent because Democrats aren't cultist lemmings who will blindly jump off the cliffside because the cult leader tells us too. Republicans made a bed out of literal shit and blood when they threw everything in with Trump against Democracy. So don't be offended when people say you smell like shit when you roll around in it all day.

Stop with this Black and White bullshit. A lot of Republicans hate Trump -- so, what, you propose they ditch their party and go blue just because? Would be great if the US didn't have just a 2 party blue/red system... but here we are, with this retarded mentality of "with us or against us" notion...

[Muzjhath]

Find it cute you feel the urge to "insult" to make yourself feel better to begin with. That's just how pathetic a lot of people see the Democrats today tbh, especially the tantrum tossing youth.

And for the record, I was going with Dems prior to 2016 for reasons I already stated earlier.

So, your reaction to Bearnie Sanders not getting enough votes from democratic voters in the 2016 primary is... To vote for what he's absolutely AGAINST!?
That just doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Eviscero]

Stop with this Black and White bullshit. A lot of Republicans hate Trump -- so, what, you propose they ditch their party and go blue just because?

No, I propose their party ditched them. In all the ways that should matter, Trump isn't a Republican. The Republican party is no longer Republican, now that it has declared it has no official platform other than "whatever Trump thinks." Let's stop treating the situation we're in as liberal vs. conservative, and the actions and attitudes of Trump as politics as usual... It's not, and the Republican party is dead, replaced by a cult with literally no principles, just like its corrupt leader.

[Daedius]

So, your reaction to Bearnie Sanders not getting enough votes from democratic voters in the 2016 primary is... To vote for what he's absolutely AGAINST!?
That just doesn't make a lick of sense.

I found Hillary more repulsive than Trump. Simple as that.

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No, I propose their party ditched them. In all the ways that should matter, Trump isn't a Republican. The Republican party is no longer Republican, now that it has declared it has no official platform other than "whatever Trump thinks." Let's stop treating the situation we're in as liberal vs. conservative, and the actions and attitudes of Trump as politics as usual... It's not, and the Republican party is dead, replaced by a cult with literally no principals, just like its corrupt leader.

And therein lies the fault with the two party system.

[pathora44]

Stop with this Black and White bullshit. A lot of Republicans hate Trump -- so, what, you propose they ditch their party and go blue just because? Would be great if the US didn't have just a 2 party blue/red system... but here we are, with this retarded mentality of "with us or against us" notion...

When the Republican party has thrown the vast majority of it's weight behind Trump then yes it might be time to ditch the party, this is coming from an ex Republican. The party has bowed the knee to a wanna be king/dictator who disregards the rulings of the Supreme Court, who has stepped on over 200 years of checks and balances between the three heads of our government, who has spat in the face of allies we have had for close to a century, who has quite literally flushed down the drain over 70 years of soft power we had as the leader of the free world, and rubs elbows and openly praises dictators and murderers like Putin, Erdogan, and MBS. The Republican party has become the cult of Trump and your leaders have all gladly thrown away their principles and morals for a chance for power. So again maybe Republicans who look on in horror in all the shit Trump has done and the party has ow so gladly allowed and partaken in. Maybe they should take a stand and walk away from the party or you can just lower your head and fall in line with the other lemming cultist as Trump and the heads of the Republican party order you off the cliff.

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I found Hillary more repulsive than Trump. Simple as that.

And guess what? You were grossly, unequivocally, biggest failure of the millennium WRONG!